The Drake Maye Discussion Thread

[Ring 6]

I’m of the belief that no matter how good Maye may look before the season starts…he should still sit at least a few games. It’s an enormous amount of pressure for a rookie QB to start the 1st game with everyone watching…why put him in that situation? Ease into it a few games later (game 3ish) by coming in after halftime or something. If he’s not ready at all…then sit him till game 15 so he can get the last few games under his belt so he knows what to expect in 2025.

Isn’t handling pressure one of the most critical characteristics a qb must have? I’d ne really worried if we are turning the franchise over to a guy who couldn’t handle the pressure of playing week 1 with everyone watching. Don’t we want him to be a guy who could handle the pressure of a 4th quarter comeback in the Super Bowl?

 

[Ring 6]

I was being sarcastic responding to someone who doesn't believe sitting helped them.

No one said sitting didn’t help them, just that playing would have developed them faster, which in fact, it did.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Isn’t handling pressure one of the most critical characteristics a qb must have? I’d ne really worried if we are turning the franchise over to a guy who couldn’t handle the pressure of playing week 1 with everyone watching. Don’t we want him to be a guy who could handle the pressure of a 4th quarter comeback in the Super Bowl?

You mean like the guy who sat for over a year and won 7 rings? Or the best player in football who sat for a year and has won 3 rings already?

 

[Trocadile]

I don’t think anyone would dispute that the more snaps he takes this year the better he will be next year. Including running the 1s in practice. It takes experience to progress.

Countless people would dispute this. Many are of the opinion that quarterbacks have been ruined by playing too early, playing in a bad situation, etc. They may be wrong (it's only an opinion that can't be proved), but it is a very commonly held one.

 

[Kasmir]

My big issue with sitting Maye is the loss of the entertainment value and not getting a quick read on him as a starting QB. First round QB's usually bust and the faster you detect that the faster you can recover. Assessing him quickly is hugely important to preempt an endless rebuild.

With a likely top-3 pick again next year, would hate to not pick a QB if Maye looks like a bust.

If Maye starts and does well, it will be entertaining which is the whole idea.

If Maye starts and does poorly, it will be entertaining at first and then enlightening.

Watching Brissett lead a team destined for the bottom of league is an awful scenario, one in which we end up rooting for losses.

I'll follow the team if they start Maye.

Otherwise I'm out unless Brissett suddenly becomes good and they're in the race late in the season.

 

[KCSVEN]

My big issue with sitting Maye is the loss of the entertainment value and not getting a quick read on him as a starting QB. First round QB's usually bust and the faster you detect that the faster you can recover. Assessing him quickly is hugely important to preempt an endless rebuild.

Interesting perspective. Maye failing would be a complete shock. However, all in on the entertainment value of him playing.
Since the data historically concludes you should play him I like to go with what the data says. Pretty simple.
They are not playing him until week 5 however so you can tune in then!
I am very intrigued by Javon Baker and if they could somehow pull off Aiyuk trade I’d start to get really excited. Baker might be a 1, he really might be. I can dream anyways: Baker, Aiyuk, Pop, Polk….

 

[Ring 6]

You mean like the guy who sat for over a year and won 7 rings? Or the best player in football who sat for a year and has won 3 rings already?

I dint think Brady or Mahomes needed to be protected from the pressure of everyone watching

 

[Stu Pidassle]

My big issue with sitting Maye is the loss of the entertainment value and not getting a quick read on him as a starting QB. First round QB's usually bust and the faster you detect that the faster you can recover. Assessing him quickly is hugely important to preempt an endless rebuild.

With a likely top-3 pick again next year, would hate to not pick a QB if Maye looks like a bust.

If Maye starts and does well, it will be entertaining which is the whole idea.

If Maye starts and does poorly, it will be entertaining at first and then enlightening.

Watching Brissett lead a team destined for the bottom of league is an awful scenario, one in which we end up rooting for losses.

I'll follow the team if they start Maye.

Otherwise I'm out unless Brissett suddenly becomes good and they're in the race late in the season.

Football is a team game, QBs don't exist in a vacuum. While Maye is still learning how to run the offense, Brissett is a better choice to help develop the new receivers and direct the developing OL. At some point his limitation will start to restrict the WR continuing development. At that point, Maye should be in position to take the reigns and lead the team into the 2025 season.

 

[Zuma]

I dint think Brady or Mahomes needed to be protected from the pressure of everyone watching

They both sat a year…you know that. At that point they aren’t even rookies.

 

[Ring 6]

Countless people would dispute this. Many are of the opinion that quarterbacks have been ruined by playing too early, playing in a bad situation, etc. They may be wrong (it's only an opinion that can't be proved), but it is a very commonly held one.

I don’t think it’s an opinion anyone other than fans have. I’d bet a lot of money that if you asked players and coaches whether you improve more by practicing with the 1s and playing football or by playing in the scout team and sitting out the games it would be near unanimous.

There surely is a learning curve and playing Maye might not be best for the 2024 Patriots but it surely will be best for the 2025 Patriots. I don’t know of a supportable argument that he will be better in 2025 by not playing than he would by playing. If you think not playing well would mentally ruin him, then he isn’t ever going to be the guy, he Foys y have the right make up which is also better to know sooner.

 

[Ring 6]

Football is a team game, QBs don't exist in a vacuum. While Maye is still learning how to run the offense, Brissett is a better choice to help develop the new receivers and direct the developing OL. At some point his limitation will start to restrict the WR continuing development. At that point, Maye should be in position to take the reigns and lead the team into the 2025 season.

Do you really want Jacoby brissett to develop your offense?

 

[Ring 6]

They both sat a year…you know that. At that point they aren’t even rookies.

They both handle pressure as well as anyone. They thrive in it. It’s ridiculous to suggest they needed to be protected by it.
They both sat because that was best for the team, not because it was best for them.
They both improved more by playing than by sitting.

 

[Zuma]

They both handle pressure as well as anyone. They thrive in it. It’s ridiculous to suggest they needed to be protected by it.
They both sat because that was best for the team, not because it was best for them.
They both improved more by playing than by sitting.

What what best for them was what was best for the team. They proved that.

 

[Ring 6]

My big issue with sitting Maye is the loss of the entertainment value and not getting a quick read on him as a starting QB. First round QB's usually bust and the faster you detect that the faster you can recover. Assessing him quickly is hugely important to preempt an endless rebuild.

With a likely top-3 pick again next year, would hate to not pick a QB if Maye looks like a bust.

If Maye starts and does well, it will be entertaining which is the whole idea.

If Maye starts and does poorly, it will be entertaining at first and then enlightening.

Watching Brissett lead a team destined for the bottom of league is an awful scenario, one in which we end up rooting for losses.

I'll follow the team if they start Maye.

Otherwise I'm out unless Brissett suddenly becomes good and they're in the race late in the season.

If Mac Jones had sat out his rookie season and been coddled we might still be saying he hasn’t had a chance to prove himself and be stuck with him another year or 2.

 

[Ring 6]

What what best for them was what was best for the team. They proved that.

Proved what? There is no proof that sitting out was best for them.
Are you telling Brady wouldn’t have succeeded if in addition to everything else he did in 2000 he also practiced with the 1s and got game experience?

 

[Ring 6]

What what best for them was what was best for the team. They proved that.

Was Brady better by the SB in 2001 than he was in September?

 

[Zuma]

Was Brady better by the SB in 2001 than he was in September?

Yes

 

[Ring 6]

Yes

Because you have to play football to get better at football.

Now, Brady worked his butt off his rookie year physically and mentally.

It is both true that Brady was better in 2001 than he was in 2000 and that he would have been even better at the beginning of 2001 if he had also played in 2000.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Do you really want Jacoby brissett to develop your offense?

LOL, that is not what I said. I said he is better to get started but would soon be the limiting factor. Maye's physical skills are needed to complete the process. Starting with Maye would make it difficult for the other young players because he would not have command of the offense and the other young players would make it hard for the QB because they are going through their learning curve.

 

[lancerman]

Because you have to play football to get better at football.

Now, Brady worked his butt off his rookie year physically and mentally.

It is both true that Brady was better in 2001 than he was in 2000 and that he would have been even better at the beginning of 2001 if he had also played in 2000.

There's literally nothing to base this on. We've seen plenty of QB's go out way before they were ready in mediocre offenses and the pressure because of the amount of time they had and options the WR's gave them ended up ingraining their bad mechanics to a point where they become uncorrectable and then they get snakebitten.

Aaron Rodgers literally had all of his QB mechanics reworked in his first few years, something that absolutely would never happen if he started year 1. By the time he started, it was very obvious he was a different player than the guy we saw in college. Patrick Mahomes has credited his entire development to the year he sat and worked with Kafka. If Brady started in 2000, he wouldn't have had time to work on fine tuning his mechanics and the team still would have lost and the fans would very likely blame the new 6th round QB and demand they draft a real starter.

Hell even when it works out, you have problems. Peyton Manning started on a **** team on day 1. He ended up becoming a HOF'er. Guess what, year one he lead the league in INT's. Developed a bunch of bad habits. And even in his peak always had an INT problem compared to his peers and it usually hampered his team in the playoffs.

At some point, yes you do need in game experience. But you also need to hit a certain level of competency that can be completely undermined by going out before you are ready. The NFL is not colllege, the speed makes it an entirely different animal. It's very easy for a QB to get pressured by that right away and lean back on bad mechanics. Especially on a team this going to have problems on offense due to skill talent anyways.