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  1. ChrisR2223

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    Love this mock
     
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    Nice
     
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    I noticed at least one first round mock online that has Matt Patricia and Detroit selecting TE TJ Hockenson and then later on in the first round Mike Vrabel and Tennessee grab Noah Fant.....Guess they learned well from BB the value of the TE.........bahstads :D
     
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    patsfaninpa Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    That’s gonna cost him about 10 extra gassers in camp. After we pick him
     
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    Crazy theory time

    Is Hakeem Butler the best prospect to replicate what Gronk provided in the passing game; mismatch size, physicality after the catch, RZ threat. Put Butler in the slot and let him eat. Gronk’s game as a receiver was all about mismatches and physicality after the catch much like Butler’s.

    Note 1: This is entirely unconnected to Gronk’s role as a blocker.
    Note 2: I’m not denying Butler has flaws as a WR. I wish he had better hands for example.
     
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  6. 50-yard-line

    50-yard-line In the Starting Line-Up

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    Patricia just paid Jesse James an awful lot of money for him to also be using a 1st Round pick on a tight end. If he does that, I expect it would be for Fant, who wouldn't be as redundant with James.
     
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    He actually wasn't a good red zone threat last year which is why, along with his hands/route running/lack of consecutive seasons of high receiving yards (1K yds+), I'm not crazy about him.

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    Prospect Profile: 2019 NFL Draft WR Stats Report - Fantasy Columns

    For me, I think raw stats help fill in the gap to the limited amount of game film available to us on the internet because I thought he would be a red zone monster after watching him play.

    The good news is A.J. Brown is a great red zone WR.:)

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  8. BaconGrundleCandy

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    Love the prospect but not entirely sure what the theory is?
    I'd stop looking for any prospect to fill Gronks shoes. Blocking, rec, he's the goat & I think its just not reality to think we'll see the same anytime soon.

    Back to Butler. Hes a great representative of the overall class imo. Its a boom or bust class. Has some great physical skills but needs a lot of work. Getting off the line, overall r/r. Hands. Hes a beast but again comparing him to 87 is just a no-go.

    Gronk was best offensive player, non-QB pretty much his entire career. Literally no big holes in his skill set.
     
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    I explicitly said it wasn’t about blocking.
     
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    bormio In the Starting Line-Up

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    I don’t think Edelman has ever called him “Billy”.
     
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    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Lol I didnt only write about blocking which to those that studied Butler is a huge + in his game.
    He offers a ton in terms of physicality but Gronk was so much more in terms of r/r & hands.

    Again I really like the player just not the comp.
     
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    It wasn’t a comp, it was about which prospect could replicate some of Gronk’s production in a similar fashion, namely creating mismatches with DBs and being aggressive and physical after the catch.
     
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    BaconGrundleCandy Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I get all that manxman. I guess its when people bring up Gronks name.

    His physicality, man vs boy mismatches have been brought up all year so I'm not disagreeing w you there. Probably will end up my WR1.

    J/c have you watched Butler? Where would you take him?
     
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    Just saw another mock with Dexter Lawrence dropping to the Patriots at #56. This time it was Matt Miller at Bleacher Report. While I’m still not buying it is he really falling?
     
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    I can see why someone would take him at 32, he offers something that is rare, but there’s stuff I’m not a fan of. I think he’s a linear athlete and would like to see him do less body catching - he doesn’t always take advantage of his height advantage. I’m not sure where to rank him because he’s not something we’ve really had before. Top 40-50 probably. I was playing with a mock where I. Issued out on my main targets so traded back, took Butler and then traded up from 56 to take Deebo.
     
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    He's not falling. At least not by me. The top 15-20 talk was always too much for me.
     
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    Ivan Hall of Fame Poster

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    I have yet to see him in the top 20, he has been 20-30 in most mocks until the last couple of weeks, where I am seeing him everywhere from mid twenties to mid fifties. And while I appreciate your response I’m really asking whether he is dropping as a consensus, and not so much on the individual board’s here. This draft is so volatile it’s really hard to tell.
     
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    I’ve seen Hockenson falling in some of the latest mocks. It would be great to get him at 21.
     
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    I dont bother w mocks for good reason. I honestly dont find them useful & have had a good idea of who's going Rd 1 for about a year. Just saying its not a surprise or shock to see him slotted there.

    This reminds me of when people say players are falling or shooting up the board. Teams grade them & make a choice on where to take them. Besides some ugly info getting out theres nothing happening over the last & next few weeks that will change where a player is going.
     
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  20. 50-yard-line

    50-yard-line In the Starting Line-Up

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    His strength is vs. the run and all you hear is "pass-happy" league and "interior pressure," etc.

    BB knows better - the playoffs last year proved it. You need to be stout against the run.

    Question with Lawrence is: have the other coaches caught up to this, yet? If Lawrence is there at 32 (heck with 56), I wouldn't cry if the Pats leaped all over that.
     
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