Tell me about Pittsburgh LT Dan Moore.

[State]

Right now and in past years, our LT spot has been a crippling weakness that is so glaring it takes away from the development of the rest of the team.

Shout it from the rooftops, Brother.

 

[Headcase]

Alt was a LT in college and played RT for the Chargers. Wirfs came into the league and played RT, before playing LT. Thuney and Mankins were both LTs in college and played LG in the NFL. Lots of very successful offensive lineman move around in college and in the NFL.

RT to LT is the hardest swap to make, followed by LT to RT, and my understanding is that it isn't an athletic issue but some guys just have a hard time doing every mirrored.

You can always find people that did it, but IMO if you need the position and the guy played it, just play them there.....talented players bust all the time, why make it harder.

 

[rkarp1]

health. coaching. WR's that can separate. QB's that can get rid of the ball. QB's that can buy some time with their legs.
all dictate how well an OT plays
up until Maye started to play, the Pats have had none of the above.
until they get most of the above, it doesn't matter who plays OL. their stats will pale.
Lowe has every combine stat an OT could want. he is young. he has some experience now. get him some coaching and health, he can play RT.

 

[Real fan 02]

He’s 20 years old and he was the most athletic tackle prospect at the Combine. there is no reason they can’t have him play LT.

Just like Wallace

 

[Huckleberry1]

Just like Wallace

Arman Membou is 20 years old with a RAS of 9.84, which is off the charts good. . Caeden Wallace’s was drafted at age 24 with a RAS of 7.48. There is no comparison between the two.

My money is on Membou being the first OL taken off the board, and that honor doesn’t go to prospects projected to play Right Tackle very often. Penei Sewell is the only one I can think of, and that was a great pick by the Lions.

 

[Real fan 02]

Arman Membou is 20 years old with a RAS of 9.84, which is off the charts good. . Caeden Wallace’s was drafted at age 24 with a RAS of 7.48. There is no comparison between the two.

Got ya! Well the hope is we can start to develop our own guys we drafted under a real coaching staff now.. the barnem and Bailey show last season didn't develop anything..

 

[Wozzy]

health. coaching. WR's that can separate. QB's that can get rid of the ball. QB's that can buy some time with their legs.
all dictate how well an OT plays
up until Maye started to play, the Pats have had none of the above.
until they get most of the above, it doesn't matter who plays OL. their stats will pale.
Lowe has every combine stat an OT could want. he is young. he has some experience now. get him some coaching and health, he can play RT.

This is some glue sniffing madness here… an offensive line can play great even if the QB is average and the weapons suck.

They’re literally the only position on offense that doesn’t require someone else to do their job well to succeed. They’re also the position that all other positions on offense need to play well in order to do their jobs. Jim Harbaugh said this exact thing a day before drafting Joe Alt, he gave a lengthy dissertation.

Lowe has long arms, one of his agility drills was okay… beyond that his athleticism was average/poor.

It’s no surprise you spent last season telling us Lowe and Okorafor were good despite our eyes telling us the complete opposite. A stiff with long arms is still a stiff.

 

[Wozzy]

Dan Moore is Chuks Okorafor 2.0

A poor athlete on the Steelers is still poor athlete on the Patriots, changing your laundry doesn’t imbue super powers… Superman still had his powers as Clark Kent.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Clark Kent still got the trim...
Jus sayin'

 

[n1997y]

health. coaching. WR's that can separate. QB's that can get rid of the ball. QB's that can buy some time with their legs.
all dictate how well an OT plays
up until Maye started to play, the Pats have had none of the above.
until they get most of the above, it doesn't matter who plays OL. their stats will pale.
Lowe has every combine stat an OT could want. he is young. he has some experience now. get him some coaching and health, he can play RT.

You have it exactly backwards.
Improve any of those and that’s all you’ve improved.
Improve the OL you improve all of those.
If you’ve got an OL that can protect you don’t need QB to buy time with his legs and them get smacked around when he doesn’t slide like Maye.

 

[stinkypete]

I get that Moore is a below average starter, maybe a decent backup moonlighting as a starter, but my question is, is he that much worse than Robinson.

Our top priority this offseason should be to make Ronnie Stanley the most lucrative offer an offensive lineman has ever recieved in free agency. Any short of that is a failure, but he still has the right to say no. The draft is an option, but I will be disappointed if we leave any of Hunter/Carter/Graham/Warren on the board to take any of the 1st round guys. I'm looking free agency or bust.

Robinson is a bottom tier run blocker, a penalty machine, and an injury suspension/risk. He gets hyped up as league average but he is not. Is Moore that much worse, because he will be that much cheaper.

 

[n1997y]

RT to LT is the hardest swap to make, followed by LT to RT, and my understanding is that it isn't an athletic issue but some guys just have a hard time doing every mirrored.

You can always find people that did it, but IMO if you need the position and the guy played it, just play them there.....talented players bust all the time, why make it harder.

Wonder if it’s related to being left handed, right handed, or ambidextrous?

But that can be misleading. I’m right handed because I was ambidextrous as a kid until I broke my left arm and spent the summer after first grade with it in a cast. So my right side developed while my left didn’t. But things I learned later, like shooting pistol offhand, left side is better. Anyway, point is, it’s complicated, there are many reasons it’s uncertain, might work or might not.

So why not draft him and try it? Worst that happens is it doesn’t work and we end up with an improvement at RT. Is that a bad thing?

 

[Headcase]

So why not draft him and try it? Worst that happens is it doesn’t work and we end up with an improvement at RT. Is that a bad thing?

Because they need to fix LT, not draft a guy that might fix it then find out he cant make the change during preseason and have to scramble only to have Lowe starting again in week one.

I want to go into training camp knowing who is starting at LT, not watching camp videos wondering who is playing LT this session..... honestly that is the same thing with the whole line.

 

[Brotherblues]

Because they need to fix LT, not draft a guy that might fix it then find out he cant make the change during preseason and have to scramble only to have Lowe starting again in week one.

I want to go into training camp knowing who is starting at LT, not watching camp videos wondering who is playing LT this session..... honestly that is the same thing with the whole line.

Anyone you get is someone who might fix the position.

Best bets are Stanley and Membou.

 

[Headcase]

Anyone you get is someone who might fix the position.

Best bets are Stanley and Membou.

Fair but there are levels to might......players that have started and played well at in the NFL are the top of the list; followed by college players who played the position at a high level and have the required traits; somewhere down the line is college players making a position switch

 

[Rob0729]

I still would rather have Robinson. If 2023 Robinson was a free agent now rather than 2024, he might actually be the top LT on the market. The guy was solid against the pass.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I still would rather have Robinson. If 2023 Robinson was a free agent now rather than 2024, he might actually be the top LT on the market. The guy was solid against the pass.

Marrone will have significant input on any decision about signing Robinson. He drafted him and coached him for 4 years. I’m not a fan and I would hope they wouldn’t give him anything more than a 2 year deal, and would still draft Membou at 4.

 

[Patsgofor4]

He sucks.

 

[Real fan 02]

Marrone will have significant input on any decision about signing Robinson. He drafted him and coached him for 4 years. I’m not a fan and I would hope they wouldn’t give him anything more than a 2 year deal, and would still draft Membou at 4.

The unfortunate part is he's better than anything we have to call a LT on the roster..

 

[Huckleberry1]

He sucks.

Who sucks, Dan Moore or Cam Robinson, or both?