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[JMC00]

How would it end up in federal court?

All league matters taken to court go to US District Court in Minnesota, which is a Federal Court

 

[Froob]

No one can prove, with all the evidence at our disposal, one way or another, that Brady did, or didn't manipulate the process, period. You seem to think that you can, wrong. In the final analysis everyone is going by their gut. You, and all who say he's innocent, and me, and everyone who says he's guilty.

And in that case, in the United States you are innocent until proven guilty.

 

[flasox27]

Oh my, now I'm an illiterate flat earth troll just because I don't buy the dominate theory on the forum regarding Tom Brady.

I never said you didn't have a right to your opinion just that it reflected a point of view that any one with a basic knowledge of science would reject. I apologize for the use of the word illiterate since you have the ability to read and write. As I said before there are plenty of people like yourself who reject science in other parts of the country and your opinion would be better appreciated there than in New England.

 

[Froob]

Watch Goodell try to get Brady for putting himself in a bad situation and suspending him after his bs gets overturned like he got Ben for (who is a POS but he wasn't convicted for anything even though we all kinda know it was covered up..).

 

[patsfan13]

Rubbish. I repeat, there is NO scientific evidence that proves unequivocally that he is innocent. It doesn't exist, no matter how hard you pretend it does.

Well since the initial psi measurements were recorded we don't know that he was guilty, innocent until proven guilty.

So there will no scientific evidence that proves anything in this case. What is proven is that the NFL procedures are crap. Given that the conclusion of the Wells report is that the NFL needs to change it's process. But the results were preordained.

 

[patsfan13]

Oh my, now I'm an illiterate flat earth troll just because I don't buy the dominate theory on the forum regarding Tom Brady.

No because you are a liar who pretends to be a fan of The Patriots when you are realy a troll , sorta gutless to not admit what you are.

 

[tom444]

Physics Professor: Deflategate Report’s Science Holds Up
By Braden Campbell
Boston.com Staff | 05.06.15 | 7:59 PM
The 243-page Deflategate report released Wednesday, which included independent analysis by two sources, was a big blow to those holding out hope science would exonerate the Patriots.

But could there be any holes to the analysts’ logic? Not likely, says Boston University professor Martin Schmaltz.

While the ideal gas law states air pressure in a given volume will drop along with temperature — and the balls used in the AFC Championship game likely dropped in temperature when moved from inside the stadium to the 51-degree field — the discrepancies between drops in pressure between the Colts balls and the Patriots balls was likely too much to be chance, according to Schmaltz.

“I see that the Colts’ balls pressure dropped about half a PSI and the Patriots balls seem to be more like 1.5, or maybe between one and 1.5,” says Schmaltz. “So it’s a little mysterious why the Patriots’ balls dropped more.”

According to the report, the Patriots’ balls began the game inflated to at least 12.5 PSI, while the Colts’ balls were around 13 PSI, give or take a tenth of a PSI. But it’s not the drop in PSI from that reference point that Schmaltz says looks bad for the Patriots, but the drops relative to each other.

According to Schmaltz, the ideal gas law equation suggests a drop in temperature from 68 or 70 would produce a drop of less than 1 PSI in a ball inflated to 12.5 or 13 PSI. While the report found the Colts’ balls measured at or around the league-minimum 12.5 PSI at halftime, many of the Patriots balls were a PSI or more below that threshold, a drop so large its unlikely to have been caused by atmospheric conditions.

While a 12.5 PSI ball could drop to 11.6 PSI, by his calculations, with a temperature drop from 68 or 70 degrees to 51, given both sets being subject to the same conditions, it’s suspicious the Patriots’ balls would drop so much further.

“The Patriots’ balls are around there, some are a little bit low, so the Patriots’ balls are not inconsistent with having been deflated by going down in temperature,” he says. “But it is very mysterious just based on why the Colts balls didn’t drop as much and the Patriots’ balls did.”

Given the exactness with which the analysts approached their study and the other evidence found by investigators, Schmaltz said the conclusion two equipment managers likely tampered with the footballs is an apt one.

“A lot of the text message stuff, that looks pretty damning to me,” Schmaltz says. ‘The science I don’t think is a slam dunk in terms of convicting them, but it also looks much more likely (than not) this was done just based on the science.”

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...ience-holds/T2HqI3vFVivr9grXOD2VEI/story.html

 

[tom444]

I never said you didn't have a right to your opinion just that it reflected a point of view that any one with a basic knowledge of science would reject. I apologize for the use of the word illiterate since you have the ability to read and write. As I said before there are plenty of people like yourself who reject science in other parts of the country and your opinion would be better appreciated there than in New England.

Of course saying I reject science is catchy, it's also ********.

 

[Charlotte Pats Fan]

Of course saying I reject science is catchy, it's also ********.

Dude when did you stop beating your wife?

 

[ViperGTS]

Physics Professor: Deflategate Report’s Science Holds Up
By Braden Campbell
Boston.com Staff | 05.06.15 | 7:59 PM
The 243-page Deflategate report released Wednesday, which included independent analysis by two sources, was a big blow to those holding out hope science would exonerate the Patriots.

But could there be any holes to the analysts’ logic? Not likely, says Boston University professor Martin Schmaltz.

While the ideal gas law states air pressure in a given volume will drop along with temperature — and the balls used in the AFC Championship game likely dropped in temperature when moved from inside the stadium to the 51-degree field — the discrepancies between drops in pressure between the Colts balls and the Patriots balls was likely too much to be chance, according to Schmaltz.

“I see that the Colts’ balls pressure dropped about half a PSI and the Patriots balls seem to be more like 1.5, or maybe between one and 1.5,” says Schmaltz. “So it’s a little mysterious why the Patriots’ balls dropped more.”

According to the report, the Patriots’ balls began the game inflated to at least 12.5 PSI, while the Colts’ balls were around 13 PSI, give or take a tenth of a PSI. But it’s not the drop in PSI from that reference point that Schmaltz says looks bad for the Patriots, but the drops relative to each other.

According to Schmaltz, the ideal gas law equation suggests a drop in temperature from 68 or 70 would produce a drop of less than 1 PSI in a ball inflated to 12.5 or 13 PSI. While the report found the Colts’ balls measured at or around the league-minimum 12.5 PSI at halftime, many of the Patriots balls were a PSI or more below that threshold, a drop so large its unlikely to have been caused by atmospheric conditions.

While a 12.5 PSI ball could drop to 11.6 PSI, by his calculations, with a temperature drop from 68 or 70 degrees to 51, given both sets being subject to the same conditions, it’s suspicious the Patriots’ balls would drop so much further.

“The Patriots’ balls are around there, some are a little bit low, so the Patriots’ balls are not inconsistent with having been deflated by going down in temperature,” he says. “But it is very mysterious just based on why the Colts balls didn’t drop as much and the Patriots’ balls did.”

Given the exactness with which the analysts approached their study and the other evidence found by investigators, Schmaltz said the conclusion two equipment managers likely tampered with the footballs is an apt one.

“A lot of the text message stuff, that looks pretty damning to me,” Schmaltz says. ‘The science I don’t think is a slam dunk in terms of convicting them, but it also looks much more likely (than not) this was done just based on the science.”

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...ience-holds/T2HqI3vFVivr9grXOD2VEI/story.html

"The science I don't think is a slam dunk.."

Wow. This is how the Wells report was written. It starts with speak that leads to guilt, then ends with a shrug..we don't truly have anything.

 

[tom444]

"The science I don't think is a slam dunk.."

Wow. This is how the Wells report was written. It starts with speak that leads to guilt, then ends with a shrug..we don't truly have anything.

"but it also looks much more likely (than not) this was done just based on the science.”

Again, there is NO scientific evidence that proves unequivocally that Brady is innocent, or guilty.

 

[flasox27]

I am sure that the scientists and engineers on this site will have a response to the article you posted.

 

[Dr Pain]

"but it also looks much more likely (than not) this was done just based on the science.”

Again, there is NO scientific evidence that proves unequivocally that Brady is innocent, or guilty.

I know I will be reaching out to the professor to let him know what I think.

 

[upstater1]

Of course saying I reject science is catchy, it's also ********.

No, it's not. It just takes an ability to read a simple article and understand it. Something clearly is lacking here in this post of yours.

The Boston U. professor is literally saying to you that the Patriots balls do fall within the expected range according to the Ideal Gas Law. What can't be easily explained is the fact that the Colts balls fell less than the Patriots' balls did.

In other words, the Patriots balls fell right where the report said they would fall. An average of 1.20 below 12.5 PSI. Based on the temperatures at the time (73 for the Patriots training table shower room where the balls were measured) and 48 outside that night.

What can't be explained is why the Colts balls apparently defied the laws of nature.

The Boston U. guy is right that both can't be true.

 

[tom444]

I know I will be reaching out to the professor to let him know what I think.

Ok, post your discussion if you can. Both sides.

 

[ViperGTS]

"but it also looks much more likely (than not) this was done just based on the science.”

Again, there is NO scientific evidence that proves unequivocally that Brady is innocent, or guilty.

So that being the case you lean towards innocent. That's just the science part of it, which wouldn't prove Brady did it either.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Physics Professor: Deflategate Report’s Science Holds Up
By Braden Campbell
Boston.com Staff | 05.06.15 | 7:59 PM
The 243-page Deflategate report released Wednesday, which included independent analysis by two sources, was a big blow to those holding out hope science would exonerate the Patriots.

But could there be any holes to the analysts’ logic? Not likely, says Boston University professor Martin Schmaltz.

While the ideal gas law states air pressure in a given volume will drop along with temperature — and the balls used in the AFC Championship game likely dropped in temperature when moved from inside the stadium to the 51-degree field — the discrepancies between drops in pressure between the Colts balls and the Patriots balls was likely too much to be chance, according to Schmaltz.

“I see that the Colts’ balls pressure dropped about half a PSI and the Patriots balls seem to be more like 1.5, or maybe between one and 1.5,” says Schmaltz. “So it’s a little mysterious why the Patriots’ balls dropped more.”

According to the report, the Patriots’ balls began the game inflated to at least 12.5 PSI, while the Colts’ balls were around 13 PSI, give or take a tenth of a PSI. But it’s not the drop in PSI from that reference point that Schmaltz says looks bad for the Patriots, but the drops relative to each other.

According to Schmaltz, the ideal gas law equation suggests a drop in temperature from 68 or 70 would produce a drop of less than 1 PSI in a ball inflated to 12.5 or 13 PSI. While the report found the Colts’ balls measured at or around the league-minimum 12.5 PSI at halftime, many of the Patriots balls were a PSI or more below that threshold, a drop so large its unlikely to have been caused by atmospheric conditions.

While a 12.5 PSI ball could drop to 11.6 PSI, by his calculations, with a temperature drop from 68 or 70 degrees to 51, given both sets being subject to the same conditions, it’s suspicious the Patriots’ balls would drop so much further.

“The Patriots’ balls are around there, some are a little bit low, so the Patriots’ balls are not inconsistent with having been deflated by going down in temperature,” he says. “But it is very mysterious just based on why the Colts balls didn’t drop as much and the Patriots’ balls did.”

Given the exactness with which the analysts approached their study and the other evidence found by investigators, Schmaltz said the conclusion two equipment managers likely tampered with the footballs is an apt one.

“A lot of the text message stuff, that looks pretty damning to me,” Schmaltz says. ‘The science I don’t think is a slam dunk in terms of convicting them, but it also looks much more likely (than not) this was done just based on the science.”

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/05/06/physics-professor-deflategate-report-science-holds/T2HqI3vFVivr9grXOD2VEI/story.html

How did this guy get exact psi measurements yet Coleman can't produce records or know how they were measured or with what?

How did this guy know exact ambient tamps, where they were stored or know the exact conditions of how and where they were stored>

How can this guy explain why one gauge had all Pats balls at a higher psi..............and Colts balls at a lower psi vs the other gauge used?

Does this clown calibrate his equipment and instruments?

How much money says he's from New York?

 

[tom444]

So that being the case you lean towards innocent. That's just the science part of it, which wouldn't prove Brady did it either.

You can lean that way, that's fine with me.

 

[ViperGTS]

You can lean that way, that's fine with me.

So are you a 50/50 means guilt person? Lean that way? There has been NO proof to convict. That's what this is about. Not about opinions. By your proof, he must be innocent.

 

[Fencer]

Edit: Oops. An incomplete post went up, while I was rethinking whether I really agreed with my point. I'll just leave it as is now. Sorry for any confusion, and for the definite lack of completion.

Just humor me. Super Bowl 50. Vs whomever. 4th quarter. 20 seconds left for the opposing team at the 1 yard line. If they passed, and a DB made the same play MB did this year, what are the odds a flag is thrown? I say 1000000000%. That's how hard this season and any left for TB will be. Bank on it.

Fortunately, the refs aren't wholly loyal to Goodell and the NFL head office themselves. So while what you're describing is what the NFL would want to happen, that doesn't mean they can quite enforce it.

Has Brady ever attacked the referees more viciously than the occasional "Why didn't you call that f*ing foul?" heat-of-the-moment screams? I doubt they like him, but that's not enough to get significant bias against him and his team.

Meanwhile, I'm guessing BB is well-liked by the refs. He doesn't scream; he doesn't blame the

Is this Ted Wells? Hello sir. Your hypothesis are garbage as is your report. Science not being known to Brady? Fair enough. It's not known to you or Exponent as well. That very much is apparent.

You are also good at using word that indicate guilt, without having enough proof to even do that. More probably than not, general awareness, suggests it's difficult etc. All are good at stirring up public opinion and nothing much else. Congratulations, you succeeded. Now prepare for the hell you are about to endure.

I'd be updating my resume. I don't think you will be a lawyer much longer.

Actually, he acted as a fine lawyer.

What he needs to give up on is his secondary career as an allegedly impartial investigator. His report was so egregiously slanted that he failed at maintaining an illusion of impartiality.