Still don't understand how Austin Carr wasn't drafted

[IllegalContact]

I disagree with the bolded statement, but not necessarily with anything else. Like I said, that was just a hypothetical example of the danger of assuming you know exactly what happened on any given play. It looked good. We don't know what the coaches thought of it. We also likely didn't pay any attention to him on plays that weren't thrown to him, so for all we know he's missing things on other plays. Again, NOT saying that's what happened, just that the sample size of what we're seeing is too small to question why this guy wasn't drafted.

by your own logic, you could question whether every play worked as drawn up...so then why bring it up the way you did......pressure was coming and jimmy unloaded the ball......carr went up and made the play

 

[IllegalContact]

Is your argument that Carr has looked better than Cooks?

is that what I said?

c'mon.....you can do better than that

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Let's wait til he does something meaningful in this league first. Let's not forget Tyms, Childress, and Harper before him.

Nobody is fitting him for a HOF jacket, but we are just wondering why he wasn't drafted, with one year of production vs. high-level competition, far beyond what (to my knowledge) Tyms, Childress, or Harper ever did in college.

-He was one of three Biletnikoff Award finalists.

-He had about 300 more yards receiving than any other Big 10 receiver, and not just by volume (14 yards/catch), with 12 TDs.

-The bigger the stage and the better the competition, the better he was.

I think that he sticks on the 53, somehow.

 

[scott99]

I thought the same thing as the title of the thread when I watched Carr last year. He just continued to destroy defenses all season long. The kid just seems to have IT. Not the measuables, but just gets open and catches the ball consistently. I think if he does get cut, the Jets will be all over him. And he'll have a great year for the Jets.

Lucien is more physically gifted, but I think Carr will wind up being the better receiver and more productive. Lucien just might make it to our practice squad.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Andrew Hawkins. He wrote an awesome story at the Players Tribune. Sounds like he would have been a great fit here if his body hadn't said no.
Coming Up Short | By Andrew Hawkins

Thanks, that's it..... ( and it was Toledo- so I'm not going nuts..my wife may disagree)..

 

[chasa]

any player the pats cut will be an improvement for the jets roster.

 

[Sicilian]

by your own logic, you could question whether every play worked as drawn up...so then why bring it up the way you did......pressure was coming and jimmy unloaded the ball......carr went up and made the play

Not at all. What I said was it's hard to view that play in a vacuum and make sweeping generalizations. If, for example, Julian Edelman made that play, I would give him the benefit of every doubt, because we've seen him do the right thing, game in and game out, for hundreds of plays. You're asking me to buy in on Carr after a handful of preseason snaps, and I'm just not willing to do that.

 

[patchick]

Here's a throwback comparable for you: Mike Hass, 2006 draftee and a huge Patsfans draft board favorite back in the day.

Hass was a former walk-on who became the Pac 10's top receiver. Smart, super hard-working, and a precise route runner. Decent size, but an average athlete without much speed or elusiveness. Check out the measurable lines:

Hass: 6' 1/2" 208 4.59 32" 09'08" 4.14 6.97
Carr: 6' 1/4" 202 4.62 33" 09'08" 4.07 6.70

Hass was a late draft pick who was cut by the Bears, then signed and cut by the Seahawks. He never caught a pass in the NFL.

I'm not making this comparison to trash Carr, who strikes me as a good fit for the Patriots offense and IMO has a shot at a roster spot. I'm just pointing out that we all remember the exceptions, the Wes Welkers who defy expectations. We tend to forget the larger pool of "effort" players who manage to excel at the college level but can't overcome their athletic limitations as pros.

 

[IllegalContact]

Not at all. What I said was it's hard to view that play in a vacuum and make sweeping generalizations. If, for example, Julian Edelman made that play, I would give him the benefit of every doubt, because we've seen him do the right thing, game in and game out, for hundreds of plays. You're asking me to buy in on Carr after a handful of preseason snaps, and I'm just not willing to do that.

I just think he belongs on the team..........not sure what you mean by buy in

 

[JMC00]

Carr will be the just another on the list of training camp binkies that people overrated because he got hyped up by a few Pats beat guys and made some catches in the week 1 pre-season game against some bad CB that won't make the roster

 

[scott99]

Carr will be the just another on the list of training camp binkies that people overrated because he got hyped up by a few Pats beat guys and made some catches in the week 1 pre-season game against some bad CB that won't make the roster

One thing you have to factor into the equation is the guy's heart and will to be good/great. This isn't a cookie cutter equation where they all wind up being the same (JAG or great roster story).

Welker, Amendola, Edelman and Hogan are great examples of guys who have those intangibles that other guys don't have (the heart and will to be good/great).

Three of those four guys weren't drafted and bounced around the league before they became good. The other was a former 7th round pick, who was a QB in college and had to learn a new position.

So you never know, you can't just make a blanket statement about Carr like your comment above. You don't know about Carr's drive and determination, you don't know how Belichick feels about Carr. He could wind up like you say, the odds are against him. But as we've seen by players in the Pat's system, I gave you 4 guys who beat expectations, I'll add another David Givens.

I wouldn't be shocked if Carr gets cut, goes to a team like the Jets and succeeds. The kid does seem to have a personality similar to the guys who beat the odds.

 

[IllegalContact]

Carr will be the just another on the list of training camp binkies that people overrated because he got hyped up by a few Pats beat guys and made some catches in the week 1 pre-season game against some bad CB that won't make the roster

Maybe....maybe not

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Question #1: Does he possess cat-like quickness?

 

[TommyD4207]

I wouldn't be shocked if Carr gets cut, goes to a team like the Jets and succeeds.

1) If he goes to the Jets, he won't succeed.

2) I'll root for this, so the Jets can run out Kenbrell Thompkins, Chris Harper and Austin Carr on any given play.

 

[Ring 6]

One thing you have to factor into the equation is the guy's heart and will to be good/great. This isn't a cookie cutter equation where they all wind up being the same (JAG or great roster story).

How could we possibly factor that in? We have no knowledge that his heart and will are better or worse than the 50 other fringe WRs fighting for jobs.

Welker, Amendola, Edelman and Hogan are great examples of guys who have those intangibles that other guys don't have (the heart and will to be good/great).

They are but that doesn't mean carr is. I get you want guys like them but you are simply hoping that carr is, apparently using a lack of attention as your defining factor which is odd.

Three of those four guys weren't drafted and bounced around the league before they became good. The other was a former 7th round pick, who was a QB in college and had to learn a new position.

There are literally thousands of guys that had the exact same backgrounds and chance at success and never made it.

So you never know, you can't just make a blanket statement about Carr like your comment above. You don't know about Carr's drive and determination, you don't know how Belichick feels about Carr. He could wind up like you say, the odds are against him. But as we've seen by players in the Pat's system, I gave you 4 guys who beat expectations, I'll add another David Givens.

I wouldn't be shocked if Carr gets cut, goes to a team like the Jets and succeeds. The kid does seem to have a personality similar to the guys who beat the odds.

How do you know what his personality is.

What you are really saying is a very small percentage of longshot effort guys turned out well and with no personal knowledge (not only of carrs personality but if the ines who made or didn't make it) you have decided carr is one.

I get rooting for the guy but when you try to claim personality traits you have no clue about you lose any credibility in your argument.

People for many years thought oj Simpson was a great, kind, nice guy.

It's pointless to try to argue the character or personality of someone you have never met.

he's shown it everywhere he has been placed........with another new WR (cooks), there was a priority for play development, and so far given the hype, cooks has not had the presence that has been expected.

It behooves the pats to keep carr around as an option at least until mitchell proves he can stay on the field

I think cooks has had exactly the presence expected. He has bonded with Brady in practice and not been much involved in the vanilla preseason offense.

 

[Simpelton]

by your own logic, you could question whether every play worked as drawn up...so then why bring it up the way you did......pressure was coming and jimmy unloaded the ball......carr went up and made the play

He was not focusing on that specific play it was an example of a play that could be read differently by the coaches that it was by the fans nothing more

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Carr will be the just another on the list of training camp binkies that people overrated because he got hyped up by a few Pats beat guys and made some catches in the week 1 pre-season game against some bad CB that won't make the roster

To be sure, I am more impressed because he made a huge number of clutch catches in a regular season game vs. first round defensive backs Marshon Lattimore, Gareon Conley, and Malik Hooker, playing together in the OSU backfield.

I am not saying he's a star or even a rotation guy. I hope he's on the roster and game day-inactive for 19 games, which would mean Cooks, Hogan, Mitchell, and Amendola all stay healthy.

If he works on his footwork to get cleanly off the line and to sharpen his cuts, I think he will contribute, NOT as a rookie, but in 1-2 years.

 

[meatface]

I thought we were talking about Derek Carr for a minute and got very confused

 

[supafly]

To be sure, I am more impressed because he made a huge number of clutch catches in a regular season game vs. first round defensive backs Marshon Lattimore, Gareon Conley, and Malik Hooker, playing together in the OSU backfield.

I am not saying he's a star or even a rotation guy. I hope he's on the roster and game day-inactive for 19 games, which would mean Cooks, Hogan, Mitchell, and Amendola all stay healthy.

If he works on his footwork to get cleanly off the line and to sharpen his cuts, I think he will contribute, NOT as a rookie, but in 1-2 years.

That's the best argument that I've heard thus far, and thank you for reminding me how much talent my beloved Buckeyes lost in the secondary. I think it's been a long time since we've seen 3 players like that all go in the early/mid first round.

I was in the "he's not needed" camp up until the Edelman injury, but if Belichick decides to keep him around for the possibility of playing due to injury this year while he continues to learn, I'm all for it. I think he would have a better chance of seeing success versus about 95% of the outsiders others have suggested. The big question will be whether or not Belichick keeps 4 or 5 real WRs.

 

[IllegalContact]

I think cooks has had exactly the presence expected. He has bonded with Brady in practice and not been much involved in the vanilla preseason offense.

I hope you're right but getting back to Carr.....I think he makes the roster