Source: Aqib Talib wants top-of-the-market deal

[supafly]

I am with you Sup, I do not get the belief that Talib is in line for a big contract. First the Dolphins overpay for players on a regular basis, look at their signings last season, so with that considered Grimes contract should be assessed in context with who gave it. The Dolphins are not a team that sets the market for UFA. Not to mention Grimes is worth more than Talib, he is just as good as a player, comes with none of the baggage and unlike Talib, he proved he could remain healthy.

More than that, I really do not understand what has changed from the 2013 UFA period when Talib received a 1-year $5 million contract to this impending UFA period. Did he play well last year? Absolutely but Talib has played well many times in his career, he compiled 11 interceptions and 26 pass defends in 2009 and 2010 combined, this play in 2013 was not a first. Despite that we were able to acquire him for a fourth round pick in 2012 and sign him for $5 million last offseason. Injuries are still a concern, and character concerns are still an issue, after the Hernandez situation, nobody is going to put any stock in the fact that nothing bad is being said about the player and assume the character issues are no longer an issue.

I think best case scenario Talib is looking at 3 years for maybe $6.5M per season, I would be shocked if the deal was any longer or cost more than $500K more per season than that.

I agree with you that MIA paying Grimes may not have as much bearing on the Talib deal as most people think. As you stated, we've seen them overpay for many players before. Another aspect to consider is that most had Brent Grimes as a pretty clear cut #1 CB in the free agent market, so thinking that Talib will receive 1--1.5 million less per year may be quite reasonable.

I have no idea what he'll get here or with another team, but I'd be a bit surprised if it was in line with Grimes' money myself. I had been suggesting something in the 4/22 (plus incentives) range up to 4/25 or so. That was before Grimes signed his deal though, so it's possible that another hungry and desperate team may decide to overpay a bit and try to go up another couple million.

Of course, there's always the possibility that Belichick may feel the same way and go up to the higher 20's on a 4 year deal just as well--especially if incentives are included. The good news is that we'll know soon enough, but in my opinion the "real" free agency period starts Saturday as you'd have to be naive to think that deals aren't getting done ahead of time. It's actually how I believe Amendola was signed last offseason by us, even if you can't do it formally and legally for another 72 hrs. I think that this legal tampering period has just opened things up 3 days earlier myself.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Talib news will have to start filtering out soon....no? We are getting very close

 

[supafly]

Talib news will have to start filtering out soon....no? We are getting very close

I would guess that we'll hear something over the weekend as the legal tampering period starts Sat afternoon. Then again, one never knows when it comes to N.England, since they always seem to have a tight lipped approach to their negotiations. We may hear about any other possible suitors in the next few days though.

 

[RIpats88]

I agree with Brady6....what did Talib actually do this year to up his contract value from last year? This year was his year to prove he could stay healthy...and he did the same thing he did in 2012...aggrivate his hip causing him to miss multiple games. and then get injured in the AFC Championship.

Theres no doubting Talib's talent level....when healthy..But I dont see that he proved anything differently this season than last...

 

[AzorianPats]

I agree with Brady6....what did Talib actually do this year to up his contract value from last year? This year was his year to prove he could stay healthy...and he did the same thing he did in 2012...aggrivate his hip causing him to miss multiple games. and then get injured in the AFC Championship.

Theres no doubting Talib's talent level....when healthy..But I dont see that he proved anything differently this season than last...

He didn't stay healthy, but in fairness there were a couple of weeks where he was shutting down some of the best receivers in football.

 

[mgteich]

I agree with your analysis. The open question is how much the patriots will be willing to pay.

I don't see Talib going for less than 4/30. The real question is the guarantees. I can easily structure a 4/30 that the patriots would gladly sign. Of course, that is not the issue.

Consider a contract for Talib that is $2.5M more a year that what Amendola signed. Would the team sign?

I had been suggesting something in the 4/22 (plus incentives) range up to 4/25 or so. That was before Grimes signed his deal though, so it's possible that another hungry and desperate team may decide to overpay a bit and try to go up another couple million.

 

[patsinthesnow]

12 hours until Talib is released to the hounds and Mark Davis offers that 5 years 60 million dollar contract......

 

[50-yard-line]

Revis is a shut down CB. Talib is not. Steve Smith tore Talib a new one.

If the price to trade wasnt terrible and Revis wanted reasonable money, I want Revis.

For some reason I can't put my finger on, I don't think BB would agree...

Darrelle Revis of New York Jets stands by Bill Belichick 'jerk' comment - ESPN New York

 

[Tunescribe]

I agree with Brady6....what did Talib actually do this year to up his contract value from last year? This year was his year to prove he could stay healthy...and he did the same thing he did in 2012...aggrivate his hip causing him to miss multiple games. and then get injured in the AFC Championship.

Theres no doubting Talib's talent level....when healthy..But I dont see that he proved anything differently this season than last...

If he's going to be unreasonable in his contract demands let him go somewhere else and hobble around on his balky hips.

 

[mayoclinic]

#$!%&*

The "top of the market" is getting higher and higher.

Sam Shields, Packers agree on four-year, $39 million deal | ProFootballTalk

 

[ausbacker]

#$!%&*

The "top of the market" is getting higher and higher.

Sam Shields, Packers agree on four-year, $39 million deal | ProFootballTalk

I wonder if the talk of collusion is going to haunt the NFL this offseason after last year's "down" market?

 

[Jimke]

This may be the year the Pats rue letting all their free agents test
the market. They may have to trash pick to find replacements.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

This may be the year the Pats rue letting all their free agents test

the market. They may have to trash pick to find replacements.

Pats always let the market set itself and take their time in FA. CB market seems to be set already however. But they always take their time and it works out

 

[PP2]

#$!%&*

The "top of the market" is getting higher and higher.

Sam Shields, Packers agree on four-year, $39 million deal | ProFootballTalk

Shields's numbers are very comparable to Talib's. His deal just gave the Talib camp a lot of leverage.

I would not be surprised to see Talib walk.

 

[mayoclinic]

Shields's numbers are very comparable to Talib's. His deal just gave the Talib camp a lot of leverage.

I would not be surprised to see Talib walk.

As always, we need to see the breakdown and the guaranteed money, but the preliminary word from Jason La Canfora on Twitter is that it included a $12.5M signing bonus with $15M in 2014, $21M through 2015, and $30M through the first 3 years, so it's obviously not a backloaded contract.

 

[upstater1]

As always, we need to see the breakdown and the guaranteed money, but the preliminary word from Jason La Canfora on Twitter is that it included a $12.5M signing bonus with $15M in 2014, $21M through 2015, and $30M through the first 3 years, so it's obviously not a backloaded contract.

$10m a year for some guy named Sam Shields. The Patriots better give big contracts to their young'uns before the cap goes to 150m.

 

[supafly]

I wonder if the talk of collusion is going to haunt the NFL this offseason after last year's "down" market?

While it makes sense to assume the market would bounce back on some level, especially with the 10 million dollar cap increase, this is somewhat surprising to me in terms of pacts now shooting back to 10 million dollar AAV.

Shields's numbers are very comparable to Talib's. His deal just gave the Talib camp a lot of leverage.

I would not be surprised to see Talib walk.

Most, including myself, felt that Grimes' deal would have set the market. The fact that Shields received 10 million dollars per year is scary when it comes to trying to assess Talib's possibilities.

I don't see how he stays now.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

So the redskins are showing interest...but i remember they kept Hall becasue they felt there was no way the pats would let talib walk according to their sources...but now..he is walking.

Seems like from what people are saying WSH will be bidding big for him

I don't see how he stays now.

Oh he is gone now. But once we see what he goes for...we will see that it was a good move to NOT pay him what he will get. Chronic hip problems and him $$ scare me and should scare the pats as well

 

[supafly]

So the redskins are showing interest...but i remember they kept Hall becasue they felt there was no way the pats would let talib walk according to their sources...but now..he is walking



Oh he is gone now. But once we see what he goes for...we will see that it was a good move to NOT pay him what he will get. Chronic hip problems and him $$ scare me and should scare the pats as well

WAS showed interest last year too, as they were one of the two teams (us being the other one) who offered Talib a multi year deal. I thought after they resigned Hall they may have bowed out of the race, but I guess not.

Let them pay him 8-9 million a year then, I suppose. I still have a hard time seeing Belichick give him that kind of money.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

WAS showed interest last year too, as they were one of the two teams (us being the other one) who offered Talib a multi year deal. I thought after they resigned Hall they may have bowed out of the race, but I guess not.

Let them pay him 8-9 million a year then, I suppose. I still have a hard time seeing Belichick give him that kind of money.

I think the pats would consider paying him 8 a year..but a team will give him 10..maybe even 11 and that is just too much for him IMO