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[Ring 6]

If you think everything is just fine for guys to pretend they are women, like women trapped in a man's body, I disagree. I think there are a whole bunch of mental issues going on there. I'm not better than them. I think it's sad and something's very wrong. Sorry to offend you or any transsexual reading this. This is my opinion.

Now you are talking about transexuals? As I said before that is too complicated a situation to paint with one brush. There are physiological, psychological, and often abuse issues as well.

 

[PP2]

My opinion on same sex intercourse being unnatural is only one aspect of their lives. I don't judge people based on one aspect of their lives.

You are the one who thinks it's unnatural.

I'm sure a great deal of gay people will chose to disagree with you.

Can you respect that?

 

[PP2]

Or not telling the real truth of the matter. Thank God I have a few people in my life that tell me when I'm screwing up. It's not fun to hear that sometimes. But my hurt feelings don't last forever. In the end I take it to heart and if it's true it helps me change and be better.

You don't seem to be the kind of person who changes or even attempts to get better.

Your viewpoint this whole debate has been very rigid.

 

[Boogs]

Now you are talking about transexuals? As I said before that is too complicated a situation to paint with one brush. There are physiological, psychological, and often abuse issues as well.

I honestly thought that's what everybody was talking about now? I guess I was wrong.

 

[PP2]

Yes I support gays to have the same rights as everybody.

Having an opinion on one aspect of their lives is not judging them. Are you really that hard pressed to call someone a bigot just because they don't agree with everything you want them to agree on? That is an extreme stance.

Why do you keep moving the goalpost and playing dumb? I think you know by now that when we refer to a bigot in this discussion we are referring to someone who thinks his own definition of reality trumps everyone else's and cannot accept that there can be differing viewpoints and opinions.

 

[Joker]

In the spirit of total political correctness, the word "rigid" is now outlawed as it could be perceived as a double entendre'.

Thanks,

God.

 

[Ring 6]

Sure you don't. Just leave it alone already. Get the f-ck off your high horse and acknowledge that the human condition (including lust, mores, moralities, sexuality, religious beliefs, etc, etc, etc) is extremely complex and doesn't lend itself to speaking in absolutes. You browbeating everyone is just making you look foolish. No one should bully gay (or any other people). Be courteous and polite to your neighbor. Why isn't that enough for you? Why the need to speak in such absolutes. Who really knows why the f-ck we're here or what the f-ck we should be doing? You seem so sure of yourself, which sheds a very poor light on you.

Again, I really don't understand what your position is other than angry.

Let me explain mine.
I believe that a person (gay, straight, white, black, yellow, male, female, etc, etc) has a right to live their life to their own morals, standards and beliefs, and that it is wrong for someone to expect that other person to conform to their morals, standards and beliefs. I'm not sure how you find that to be browbeating or foolish, or speaking in absolutes. Also not sure why you are so angry.

 

[Ring 6]

I honestly thought that's what everybody was talking about now? I guess I was wrong.

Or I was, but that wasn't what I was talking about.

 

[condon84]

That is not my stance. You have done a horrible job to this point of explaining your position. I'm not sure how asking a question in order to clarify what I think you are saying is 'hard pressed to call someone a bigot'.

If you have read my comments and attempted to see them for what they are, you would see that my position is that gays (just like any other group you wish to name) are people who deserve a right make whatever (legal) decisions and lifestyle choices they wish without being subjected to disdain, criticism, harassment, abuse, or worse from someone who has different views.
If you were to tell me that you find homosexuality disgusting, but support their rights, and a gay person would never know you feel that way because you would allow them to live their life to their own standards without enforcing your standards upon them, then I would say you are not bigotted at all.

No. You have painted yourself into the corner of being an extremist based on your responses to my post. If that's not how you want to portray yourself, then be accepting of other people's opinion that differs from yours.

 

[PP2]

If you think everything is just fine for guys to pretend they are women, like women trapped in a man's body, I disagree. I think there are a whole bunch of mental issues going on there. I'm not better than them. I think it's sad and something's very wrong. This is an internet forum. Sorry to offend you or any transsexual reading this. This is my opinion.

Once again, the bigot in you arises.

Who are you to judge what's going on with a transsexual? Who are you to call it a mental illness?

You have no proof that transsexuality comes from mental illness.

 

[Boogs]

Why do you keep moving the goalpost and playing dumb? I think you know by now that when we refer to a bigot in this discussion we are referring to someone who thinks his own definition of reality trumps everyone else's and cannot accept that there can be differing viewpoints and opinions.

Then why don't you accept my viewpoint PP2? I feel like you've discriminated against me.

 

[Boogs]

Or I was, but that wasn't what I was talking about.

No problem with that Andy.

 

[condon84]

Why do you keep moving the goalpost and playing dumb? I think you know by now that when we refer to a bigot in this discussion we are referring to someone who thinks his own definition of reality trumps everyone else's and cannot accept that there can be differing viewpoints and opinions.

The fact that you actually included that in your post is hilarious. I don't think you're playing dumb.

 

[Ring 6]

No. You have painted yourself into the corner of being an extremist based on your responses to my post. If that's not how you want to portray yourself, then do a better job.

Read better.

I have really done nothing more than support the right of people to live how they wish without other people causing them grief.

If what I just posted was an accurate description of how you feel, I just stated I have no problem at all with that. How is that extremist.

If what I just posted is not an accurate description you have been disingenuous.

 

[PP2]

Then why don't you accept my viewpoint PP2? I feel like you've discriminated against me.

How have I done that?

 

[Boogs]

How have I done that?

Dude, I'm messing with you cause you never seemed too accepting of my viewpoints. It's ok.

 

[PP2]

The fact that you actually included that in your post is hilarious. I don't think you're playing dumb.

You can continually change the subject or deflect the issue at hand.

But it still remains that you continually refuse to acknowledge my points or answer some of my questions.

I understand you respect the rights of gay people to be gay.

I understand that you have the opinion that gay sex is unnatural. That's your opinion.

But I will call you a bigot if you exercise your opinion over other people, because you think your opinion is superior (the false natural vs. unnatural argument) or disagree with the fact that a gay person most likely sees nothing unnatural about what s/he does, including having gay sex.

Simple as that.

 

[Ring 6]

Then why don't you accept my viewpoint PP2? I feel like you've discriminated against me.

I think you are missing a tremendous distinction here.
I dont want to speak for PP2, so he can correct me if I am wrong, but I assume he feels the same way.

I am talking about my opinion of gay people vs yours

I am talking about a gay person opinion of themselves, their lifestyle and their morals vs your opinion of THEM and their lifestyle and morals.

I am not saying my opinion of gay people's life, sexuality and morals is better than yours I am saying that THEIR OWN opinion is better than yours.

Perhaps this is confused by me taking the side of the correct opinion about them being their own.

 

[Boogs]

You can continually change the subject or deflect the issue at hand.

But it still remains that you continually refuse to acknowledge my points or answer some of my questions.

I understand you respect the rights of gay people to be gay.

I understand that you have the opinion that gay sex is unnatural. That's your opinion.

But I will call you a bigot if you exercise your opinion over other people, because you think your opinion is superior (the false natural vs. unnatural argument) or disagree with the fact that a gay person most likely sees nothing unnatural about what s/he does, including having gay sex.

Simple as that.

Oh we know you will!

 

[condon84]

Read better.

I have really done nothing more than support the right of people to live how they wish without other people causing them grief.

If what I just posted was an accurate description of how you feel, I just stated I have no problem at all with that. How is that extremist.

If what I just posted is not an accurate description you have been disingenuous.

I have not argued against their right to live how they want to live. Don't include that in your response to me. That is disingenuous.