So I figured out why that ref crew was working that game

[emoney_33]

And what would be the motive behind that..? The whole point of the spread (pun intended) is to ensure equal action on both sides. So the powers-that-be in Las Vegas don't give a damn if the Pats cover 20 in a row or lose 20 in a row. They're making money either way.

I thought 90% of the bettors voted on the pats.


ANd they dont ALWAYS get or even want even money on both sides

 

[Joker]

And what would be the motive behind that..? The whole point of the spread (pun intended) is to ensure equal action on both sides. So the powers-that-be in Las Vegas don't give a damn if the Pats cover 20 in a row or lose 20 in a row. They're making money either way.

Not only do I frequent L.V. four or five times a year...I have close family relatives that work there in the casinos.Sunday night my cousin Matt called me after the game and told me the handle was 90% Patriots to win and over 80% Pats and the over at Caesars.

For you to decry all possibility of a fix is ludicrous. The house makes money when bets are close to evenly spread. The amount of money wagered on that game and the overwhelming slant to one side is reason enough to broach the question. Naive is nice but it doesn't really work in the real world.

 

[emoney_33]

I don't really care what the reason is but I'm fed up with, from making up things that don't exist (face guarding), to calls that are the exact opposite of what happened (hobbs perfect coverage).

You can say there is no conspiracy, but I don't really care. Maybe there's not a huge NFL hates the pats conspiracy, but I refuse to believe the Colts/Pats game was a case of "bad innocent" refereeing. I REFUSE.


Would you have argued there is nothing wrong going on in the NBA, before Donaghy(sp?) was exposed? I bet you would

 

[QuiGon]

Not only do I frequent L.V. four or five times a year...I have close family relatives that work there in the casinos.Sunday night my cousin Matt called me after the game and told me the handle was 90% Patriots to win and over 80% Pats and the over at Caesars.

Yeah.. I'm going to have to call "bullsh*t" on this one... sorry, but neither you nor your cousin really have a solid grasp on how the sportsbooks operate...

 

[QuiGon]

I thought 90% of the bettors voted on the pats.


ANd they dont ALWAYS get or even want even money on both sides

When they don't get even money, they shift the line so as to encourage even money. While it's true that they can't always be guaranteed to get even money, believe you me when i say that that is what they strive for. The folks that own those casinos didn't make millions by gambling... they do it by guaranteeing themselves that no matter who wins, they make money.

 

[Joker]

heh...I have intimate knowledge of how a book operates. A book busts by taking one sided bets eventually. Either you take even action or you fix the action.Millions of dollars were involved on that game and the under and the Colts came in. Just blind luck, eh?

an acre of barren land on the strip sells for 50 million dollars TODAY.More than half the owners of the most recent casinos have COMPLETELY stiffed the construction companies that built their casinos, forcing them into court to sue for relief, a process that takes YEARS in Vegas.And when the cases settle they're settled for pennies on the dollar. Meanwhile the owners have used that time span to rake in BILLIONS in profit.

Why? Rich guys HATE losing money...the richer they are the more cutthroat..especially in Vegas. A potential loss in the millions on ONE GAME is reason enough to at least suspect some skullduggery.

 

[Joker]

The folks that own those casinos didn't make millions by gambling... they do it by guaranteeing themselves that no matter who wins, they make money.

heh...well....that's my point

 

[QuiGon]

Either you take even action or you fix the action.Millions of dollars were involved on that game and the under and the Colts came in. Just blind luck, eh?

Nope... no luck whatsoever involved. The sportsbooks set it up so that half the people bet one side and half the people bet the other. That way they don't need luck - they win no matter what happens.

If the action was coming it the way you describe, then you should know the game would have been circled. But you probably don't even know what that means without looking it up.

If you knew how sportsbooks worked, you would know that. But go ahead... continue living in your made-up fantasy world of sportsbook conspiracies and the Gang-of-7 conglomerate that controls the whole world. Those stories make for great movies... too bad this is real life we're talking about here.

 

[QuiGon]

The folks that own those casinos didn't make millions by gambling... they do it by guaranteeing themselves that no matter who wins, they make money.

heh...well....that's my point

Well then riddle me this: In the history of sports gambling there have been several times "the fix was in", both in pros and college. Start all the way back with the Chicago Black Sox and come all the way up to the present day with Tim Donaghy. Now how many of those incidents involved casinos being the ones who were guilty..? I am not talking about gamblers trying to fix games, I am talking about casinos getting caught fixing games. Please give us some examples of those.

 

[emoney_33]

Nope... no luck whatsoever involved. The sportsbooks set it up so that half the people bet one side and half the people bet the other. That way they don't need luck - they win no matter what happens.

If the action was coming it the way you describe, then you should know the game would have been circled. But you probably don't even know what that means without looking it up.

If you knew how sportsbooks worked, you would know that. But go ahead... continue living in your made-up fantasy world of sportsbook conspiracies and the Gang-of-7 conglomerate that controls the whole world. Those stories make for great movies... too bad this is real life we're talking about here.

I find it quite hilarious for you to accuse joker of knowing nothing about sportsbooks and then claim to know everything yourself lol.

They do NOT always try to get even money, they do NOT always shift the line to get 50/50 money split. SOMETIMES THEY WANT LOPSIDED MONEY!

I don't know for a fact that the game was fixed or set up so the pats don't cover, but you don't know for a fact that it wasn't. So quit your holier-than-thou attitude. You can go on being naive and believe that there is never a big conspiracy, cheating or any underhanded tactics when it comes to money. BUt there is a damn reason for the saying "money is the root of ALL evil".

 

[emoney_33]

Well then riddle me this: In the history of sports gambling there have been several times "the fix was in", both in pros and college. Start all the way back with the Chicago Black Sox and come all the way up to the present day with Tim Donaghy. Now how many of those incidents involved casinos being the ones who were guilty..? I am not talking about gamblers trying to fix games, I am talking about casinos getting caught fixing games. Please give us some examples of those.

Even if they were guilty you think they'd be exposed? Come on, stop being so damn naive. You have no idea what goes on in the background of anything so huge especially when billions of dollars are involved in this country. Don't pretend you do. The world aint perfect.

 

[Joker]

The bookies here in R.I. laid off the heavy action and made their percentage. Caesars couldn't lay off because all the other casinos on the strip reported the same volume. And BTW, the game was red lined a half hour before the kickoff. So either they took a gamble OR? One thing for sure,we'll never know. The Billionaires Boy Club ain't talking.

 

[QuiGon]

Even if they were guilty you think they'd be exposed? Come on, stop being so damn naive. You have no idea what goes on in the background of anything so huge especially when billions of dollars are involved in this country. Don't pretend you do. The world aint perfect.

Yeah you're right... if the casinos got caught working with the leagues to fix games, no one would care... certainly not the media... it wouldn't be newsworthy one bit... it's just one big huge honkin' conspiracy involving hundreds (if not thousands) of people and every single one of them has kept their mouths shut this whole time...

Good gravy, you people are unbelievable... you probably think the casinos killed Kennedy too...

 

[QuiGon]

The bookies here in R.I. laid off the heavy action and made their percentage. Caesars couldn't lay off because all the other casinos on the strip reported the same volume. And BTW, the game was red lined a half hour before the kickoff. So either they took a gamble OR? One thing for sure,we'll never know. The Billionaires Boy Club ain't talking.

So you gonna answer my question..? Nope, didn't think so.

 

[djmika760]

Just stop the nonsense....somehwere along the line, Polian set this up. This crazed maniac is behind EVERYTHING that's gone down this year...''the "un-named" Midwestern GM" source every dyam media clown is using for info

Alright Mulder... What a crack-pot theory.

NE-T.Warren, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards - WARRANTED
NE-A.Samuel, Defensive Pass Interference, 37 yards - WARRANTED
NE-R.Harrison, Illegal Contact, 5 yards - WARRANTED
NE-E.Hobbs, Defensive Pass Interference, 40 yards - QUESTIONABLE
NE-K.Brady, Illegal Formation, declined - WARRANTED
NE-M.Light, Personal Foul, 15 yards - WARRANTED
NE-D.Koppen, Ineligible Downfield Pass, 5 yards - WARRANTED
NE-W.Andrews, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 9 yards - WARRANTED
NE-M.Light, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards - WARRANTED
NE-R.Moss, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards - QUESTIONABLE (hardly a setback on this drive)
NE-R.Harrison, Delay of Game, 5 yards - WARRANTED

Indy had a chance to create a lengthy drive that would wind down the clock but picked up 2 penalties that created a 3rd-and-29 which came to be their demise. If the refs favored indy then why would they collect 2 penalties at the most crucial time?

A couple of bad calls...yes. A vast conspiracy to bring down the pats...no. NE played a good game and deserved to win. The paranoia is getting the best of some of the fans though.

 

[Joker]

keep telling yourself that, jerkoff...by Friday you'll have the Dolts winning that game by 3 TD's. Idiot.

 

[mgcolby]

There was an article on the Star's board (it's gone since the board crashed), but it was about this issue before the game was played. I think it was by a national guy, but I can't remember who. In it a league guy was saying that all the officiating crews are assigned by a computer before the season. They have a couple things that can not happen. The same crew can not ref a game with a single duplicate team within 6 games and can not ref a game with duplicate opponents in the same year. Other than that it didn't say much other than the "we feel that all our crews are qualified to ref any game" type comments. Just FYI.

Thanks for the info, I was going to ask if anyone knew what process the NFL uses to assigne refs.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

The large Las Vegas casinos, at least, never want anything but even money. That's the purpose of the line. The casinos are not interested in gambling.

All this stuff is regulated, by the way. And the numbers are actually disclosed. There was a study reported on one of the NFL shows recently and it was staggering how close to even money the casinos are able to come. Now that most casinos can use a combo points and money line (and have been doing so in the last two years) they are even more finely tuned. For example, if the spread is 3.5 and the favorite is getting a mildly disproportionate amount of the action, they have intermediate steps that they are permitted by the Nevada gaming commission to take before jacking the spread to 4. They can make the favorite -120 and the dog even (basically putting both ways of the vig on the bet for the favorite), which is an intermediate step that won't swing the action too far over to the dog.

The notion that this crew was helping Vegas fix the line is absurd. There are calls in the game you could never explain. Like the force out of stallworth. Or the hold called against the colts on their last drive, forcing them to punt.

Got some real UFO type conspiracy wackos on this board. Heaven forbid anything should just be what it appears.

 

[Joker]

the line never budged from 5...check it out if you don't believe me

now excuse me, I think I see some strange lights in my backyard

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

the line never budged from 5...check it out if you don't believe me

now excuse me, I think I see some strange lights in my backyard

Actually, that's wrong. It moved back and forth at the Mirage owned conglomorate, from 5.5 and 5, twice, and there was a moneyline change.

But whether or not true, all it means is that the oddsmakers are very good at their jobs.

The other thing that's so silly is that if casinos were going to fix games and take a stake, they would never do it in the most publicized game of the year. (And, in any event, why would they ever do it anyway? All they have to do is bet on the game with their own money.)

The last thing to understand is that the very reason the Nevada gaming commission requires tracking of sports booking is to see if there are games with more than a 1 percent spread on betting activity precisely so they can figure out whether there is anything linking those games (e.g., the same ref, similar betting paterns, similar reported winnings, etc.)