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Sick of the "cheaters" tag....

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Unfortunately there is no denying that it sucks, and the rest of the country talks this ****. I hear it when I travel. The real answer is to call them losers.. but the problem with that is some day our winning (at least at this level) will be thing of the past. If 20 years from now looking back people are still calling them cheaters then unfortunately the stain is going to stick. For me, I think of Larry Bird. If for some reason he was severely tainted by something negative like this still to this day it would suck.

Hopefully this ******** just ends forever. There is no question that I have been robbed some of my joy by it all. F them.

Forget it dude. It is what it is, forever. They will not stop.

But meanwhile something interesting has happened. The same people that insist we're "cheaters" will say "Brady's a great qb" (or they might even admit he's the GOAT,) but the Patriots are cheaters. Belichick is the best coach ever, but he's an evil genius, because cheaters.

I think that's your future narrative, in terms of the rest of the country. We'll look both better and worse in the future I think, because it is extremely hard to maintain superiority in the age of parity. (The only way we could do it was cheating/It was amazing that we did it.) They'll start to call teams with 2 SBs in 5 years who then disappear "dynasties."

The Pats of this era, barring a reversion to the rules of other eras, might be the last great dynasty.

And yes, you as a Pats fan will always have to hear some mercury morris wannabe say 18-1, and some doofus saying we're cheaters.

Your strength as a Pats fan must come from within, grasshopper.
 
Also: Hate us cuz you ain't us.

You can say that when we're 1-15 some day in the future, and scream how many SBs we won back in the day. Pittsburgh fans did that sh** for 30 years. Hell JEST fans are still running on the fumes of a Super Bowl that wasn't even officially a Super Bowl yet.
 
At this point I enjoy it


People stewing in their own sorry assed excuses
 
They're not looking for reasoned discussion. People don't care, they want to p*ss you off because they're jealous. The best thing to do, since you know they are bitter, is to try to p*ss them off more. I just tell them instead of SB banners they should hang up banners why they lost every year or something like that.

Always attack, never defend when faced with a**holes.
 
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At this point I enjoy it


People stewing in their own sorry assed excuses

I like when they make pre-scuses. It might or might not filter into players' minds in this social media age. Just waiting for that drone to steal the gameplan. Reputation as cheaters is more effective than actually being cheaters.
 
It's never going away I'm afraid, the stupid nfl office and their commissioner really did some major damage. where i was just at, several people around me talking about the superbowl and it was all "patriots are cheaters" , "bradys a cheater", "belichick has probably had the falcons taped this week" it was just one after the other. I'm embarrassed to admit I got drawn into arguing it. But even when I'd ask what they actually thought happened and I'd correct them it just goes straight to "whatever they always cheat" . It does no good to argue but man is it hard to keep my mouth shut!
 
In other news Marshall Faulk is still crying about the rams losing their Super Bowl.
 


Please tell me this logo is on a t-shirt somewhere.
 
Forget it dude. It is what it is, forever. They will not stop.

But meanwhile something interesting has happened. The same people that insist we're "cheaters" will say "Brady's a great qb" (or they might even admit he's the GOAT,) but the Patriots are cheaters. Belichick is the best coach ever, but he's an evil genius, because cheaters.

I think that's your future narrative, in terms of the rest of the country. We'll look both better and worse in the future I think, because it is extremely hard to maintain superiority in the age of parity. (The only way we could do it was cheating/It was amazing that we did it.) They'll start to call teams with 2 SBs in 5 years who then disappear "dynasties."

The Pats of this era, barring a reversion to the rules of other eras, might be the last great dynasty.

And yes, you as a Pats fan will always have to hear some mercury morris wannabe say 18-1, and some doofus saying we're cheaters.

Your strength as a Pats fan must come from within, grasshopper.
Thanks man. This is all partly why I do hope they keep it going for like 5 more years to just kick them more when they are down. Why not? The AFC is a hot pile. Pats can easily compete to at least appear in the SB probably for the remainder of B&B... they better win tomorrow.
 
Well I just got home from a trip any dog owner hates and empathizes with. I just had Snowball, our 15 year old toy poodle put down. He was 1 month short of 16 years.

On the way home I turned on the radio and heard a talking numbskull opine about how BB can never be considered the GOAT HC of all time, since you have to consider his body of work in Cleveland, and of course, there is the whole Spygate incident which also works against him.

Damn Goodell, the butt hurt owners and the cheating NFL* for what they have done to the Pats. I will never forgive them!
 
Thanks man. This is all partly why I do hope they keep it going for like 5 more years to just kick them more when they are down. Why not? The AFC is a hot pile. Pats can easily compete to at least appear in the SB probably for the remainder of B&B... they better win tomorrow.

The only part that gives me the willies is "they better win tomorrow..." I mean, how spoiled are we, right?

Still, yeah, they better LOL. Hope, anticipation... stats, scheme, film... hype, commercials... it just needs to be 6pm tomorrow already
 
Have a suggestion, see if this track might work (kept it assuming your kid can ask this to that immature teacher):

"Are you referrring to camera-gate"?

I am sure that teacher or any other non-Pats fan would shrug and say 'Whatever, spy-gate or camera-gate, its all the same'.

To which the response can be:

"Hmm...no, they are different. Isn't spying supposed to be secretive and clandestine?"

When no reply, follow it up with:

"The Patriots were punished for not following a memo that they could not tape from specific portions of the sidelines. You know that they - and any team - could tape from other place, right?"

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Beyond it, if it were an adult, I would also ask if he/she was aware that the 'memo' that the NFL sent @ the beginning of that season could easily be misinterpreted?

BB explained, and I agree, that his interpretation was that taping was prohibited from specific portions of the sidelines as long as it was not used in that game. He assumed this did not prevent him for using it for future games and admitted his fault.

As he addressed it in the CBS interview: this formed a very small part of the mosaic of information that they used in game preparation.
 
Well I just got home from a trip any dog owner hates and empathizes with. I just had Snowball, our 15 year old toy poodle put down. He was 1 month short of 16 years.

On the way home I turned on the radio and heard a talking numbskull opine about how BB can never be considered the GOAT HC of all time, since you have to consider his body of work in Cleveland, and of course, there is the whole Spygate incident which also works against him.

Damn Goodell, the butt hurt owners and the cheating NFL* for what they have done to the Pats. I will never forgive them!

Sorry to hear about your dog. That sucks.
 
I mentioned it in another thread, but I think the ideal scenario would be for the Pats to win the SB and Brady to get the MVP, and when Goodell hands him the trophy, tell Goodell that he is announcing his retirement and intends to devote his time to pursuing a lawsuit against the NFL* for defamation of character.

I think the retirement would be needed to keep Goodell from going after the Pats for retribution.

The ideal scenario then follows that Brady sues for one billion dollars, but works out a deal with NFL* that he will settle for 250 million, the Pats get all of their stolen draft picks back, the NFL* apologizes to BB, TFB, the Pats' organization, and the Pats' fans.

Goodell must then disclose the entire internal workings of the framing, and name names, ban the guilty parties from ever working in the NFL* again, punish the teams involved in the framing, such as docking them the same draft picks that were stolen from the Pats, and finally, Goodell resigns as Omissioner.

Brady then un-retires.


I love it. One thing I would add is for Brady to pledge the money to former players struggling with brain injuries. Just another way to stick it to Goodell who has tried to cover up those issues.
 
She could explain to this math teacher that if he could count as well as Belichick, he might have a job that was more rewarding than having to be reduced to taking out his frustrations on his teenage students.

This right here.

You want to understand what motivates using the word "cheater" to a Patriots' fan. Now some of it is just good natured ribbing by people who know the idea of deflated footballs is a bit silly. But many people saying that to a Patriot fan is their attempt to lower your feeling of happiness over the Patriot success and/or bitterness from the underlying time/devotion they have to a sports team that is likely not even remotely as successful (imagine the devotion of a 16 game viewership devotion to a team like Cleveland? How they feel seeing the Patriots "them again!!!!" in the SB?).
Remember this, they win if you let your emotions get the better of you - you got knocked off your happiness -- win for them! They have succeeded if you don't maintain a jovial and philosophical stance.

Ultimately your goal is to take their serve and give it a solid return. Hit them back in their happiness and (important) ape the response over and over. "I realize you're bitter, jealous and unhappy because you've devoted so much time and effort to being a fan of a team that sucks. I guess I would be too if the team I spent so much time following sucked so bad too". Repeat, don't deviate it, repeat.
Next serve: "We'll least we don't cheat". Repeat above.
Next serve: "You have to cheat to win". Repeat above.
Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat. If they ape it themselves then give it a primal showing of the back at the same time you repeat (walk away to a different task). Important, make sure you give no acknowledgement to their repeat as your are showing your back and walking away.

Now keep in mind if you do this successfully you likely create hostility. Someone being so emotional and trying hard to lessen your happiness may react belligerently when they see their investment in cutting you down not working (again consider the root cause of why they are doing it. Why? It's an ugly place that is impelling them to do it).

Side note: if you make the mistake of letting the conversation advance to facts, remember this person is coming from emotion and ignoance. You don;t win a conversation with someone like that you likely just end up at their plane/mindset (and they have won). Repeat "you are ignorant on the facts and it would take me just a few minutes on the Internet to show you you are ignorant of the facts" (the emotional person will typically spout gross inaccuracies easily refuted). They give back emotion and hysteria you give back "ignorant" and "the facts are right there in the computer". But again remember that when someone is blunted from trying to cut someone else's happiness down they can get belligerent. After repeating "you are ignorant on the facts and it would take me just a few minutes on the Internet to show you the facts" again give them the primal move of showing them your back and moving on to a different task or conversation with perfect no acknowledgement of anything they utter after you show your back.
No matter what they display from there on out you have 'chop chop' them in the same ugly place they started from.

Personally I think it's waste of time. Just make a smiling joke to the person "hey brother/friend/whomever, you really do prove ignorance is bliss", smile, show your back, move on without any further acknowledgement.
 
My kids proudly wore their Brady and Pats jerseys in school today (live in NJ...belly of the beast) and they got the typical cheating nonsense from fellow students and even from teachers. Quite sickening. My daughter actually came to me to ask me on how to respond to her math teacher who was taunting her on deflate and spygate. She in fact was able to counter him with "science" on deflategate and he conceded but then went onto say "what about spygate...pats are cheaters". Really sad that the NFL has done this unfair deed on an entire fan base.....hope we win on Sunday and will just need to put the hand up to show five fingers.....need this win to shut these ignorant pile of.....!!!
1) get a parent teacher conference with that idiot and DEMAND an apology from him/her. It is OK to be a moron on your own time, but not as someone MY daughter looks up to.
2) Ask him what he thinks spygate is. He'll probably repeat the non-sense about taping a walk through. Politely ask him to google "Herald taped practice retraction."
3) explain to him what it really was. (This picture explains it better than me.)
4) Remind this douche they are supposed to be a teacher.
 
1) get a parent teacher conference with that idiot and DEMAND an apology from him/her. It is OK to be a moron on your own time, but not as someone MY daughter looks up to.
2) Ask him what he thinks spygate is. He'll probably repeat the non-sense about taping a walk through. Politely ask him to google "Herald taped practice retraction."
3) explain to him what it really was. (This picture explains it better than me.)
4) Remind this douche they are supposed to be a teacher.


As Belichick said, "it was in front of 80,000 people."
 
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