Should Jerod Mayo be fired poll

[Ross12]

Wolf and Mayo must be fired to restore order in NE.

New uniforms are 2nd on the agenda.

PREACH, my man!

 

[ViperGTS]

Giardi today wrote that Mayo is on solid ground with ownership.

Face it guys and gals, we are now the Bengals. Hiring coaches that make them feel good, and have losing season upon losing season even if you have decent QB or really good QB play.

Buckle up, be a long time before any sniff of a title is to be had in NE again.

 

[Ross12]

The only reasoning that I heard recently, think it was Jay Glazier, that makes sense to me for not hiring a defensive coach is the OC poaching. He stated the disadvantage defensive oriented coaches have from an owners point of view who have a young QB is once they have some success offensively that guy goes to the top of the list for HC gigs. So essentially every 2-3 years your potentially replacing your OC.

I'm not saying I completely agree with not hiring a defensive minded coach, just that I understand the reasoning and find it valid.

That is definitely a problem that happens. The good thing is that Maye has received a very good foundational training in the base West Coast Offense from AVP. For all the guy’s faults, he did an excellent job with that with Maye. So all that Vrabel really needs to do is hire an OC that runs a flavor of the WCO, which is fairly common in the league now. If his guy gets poached after a couple years, it’s probably not terribly hard to find another OC who runs a flavor of the WCO and translating things over wouldn’t be very complicated at all. It’s not nearly as hard as switching from McDaniels’ EP system to WCO, those bones were broken this year.

The alternative option is for Vrabel to just hire McDaniels himself, which has been floated as a pairing that both guys are open to. McDaniels isn’t looking to become an HC again and I’m sure he would love to stay in NE if he could. It is a harder offense, but Maye has the brains for it and it actually makes it easier on the OL since it moves some of the protection responsibilities off of their plates and onto the QB. It also dumps the complicated zone runs in favor of mostly simple power run schemes.

 

[ausbacker]

He should have been fired weeks ago.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I'm in favor of starting the whole football operation over again. Get a qualified coach/GM combo in here to replace Wolf/Mayo.

I didn't feel great about either of them being qualified for those positions. With Wolf, it appears there was a conscious decision to punt on the year from a spending standpoint. So I feel a bit harsh dumping him after year 1 of what appeared to be a multi-year plan. But none of the moves he made on the margins or the drafting after Maye inspire any confidence for me. On Mayo, he's set up to fail as much as any coach I can recall with this garbage roster, but there are so many troubling signs.

Basically, I can talk myself into it not being "fair" that Mayo and Wolf get such a short leash and that they "deserve" one more year. But my gut instinct is that even given time they aren't cut out for their roles, so why bother talking myself into it? Just cut the chord.

My only hesitation is that we weren't seen as a very attractive spot last year for any of the openings (front office, head coach, coordinators). It figures to be better with Maye now, but it could be possible that we still aren't seen as a great spot. Not saying the total avoidance it seemed to be last year, but feels like for one of the ready-made coach/GM regime combos, we could be a few rungs down the list and not get the cream of the crop. If the talent level is a little better next year, it's possible we could be seen in a better light. So maybe there's a thought to give Mayo/Wolf one more year and then move on next year if you have to, and presumably be in better position to get a quality operation to come in.

What I would be most against is bringing in a new HC, forcing him to work with Wolf, it goes bad, we end up restarting again next year. I don't want 3 different operations in 3 years.

 

[Wax Frog]

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If AVP gets the axe it will set this franchise back Its how the clown show teams like the Browns conduct business.

 

[dtbrks]

Yes

 

[AirForcePatsFan]

They can’t be on hard knocks if they fire Mayo.. and you know RKK would love for his team to be picked for the show.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Who are the 6 assholes trolling?

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

It's not fair to fire just the coach, the GM must go and Kraft needs a timeout

 

[KCSVEN]

Your astute analysis is fact driven. However, he was handicapped with Ryan Tannehill who always managed to do a Mac Jones and throw an interception, or in Tannehill's case, several interceptions, to cost the team the game. Admittedly, I prefer Brian Flores over Vrabel, and I think he might bring one of the Vikings offensive coaches with him. I'm a little nervous about some of the offensive wunderkinds. I don't think Kraft would hire Flores. I think he would be afraid of him.
He would probably want a safer known quantity like Vrabel.

I don't know, he does not call plays on defense or offense. He was kind of a "culture" guy but when and if his coordinators get good and teams take them your changing play callers every few years.
You win with offense, a great offensive head coach, like Reid, McVay, O Connell to be with Maye from the beginning is absolutely the ideal scenario. Thus, IMO Brady from Bills and Johnson from Lions fit better.
Though Brady with Allen is like McDaniel with Brady, the QB makes up for a ton of it so how much is the OC?
Goff is MEH but Johnson makes him look great, like O' Connell does for any QB in Minny.

Ben Johnson is the guy IMO, anyone else I'd only be happy because it is not Mayo but I'd still go offensive head coach so Maye can have the same system for as long as the guy is the HC, regardless of OC changes.

With all that said, still seems like stuck with Mayo next year, I hope not but seems that way.

 

[stinkypete]

It's awfully hard to find a reason to keep Mayo and Wolfe around outside of "Kraft likes the dude".

I don't know, maybe we get lucky and Vrabel invites Kraft on a trip to Israel or something

 

[mgcolby]

I'm in favor of starting the whole football operation over again. Get a qualified coach/GM combo in here to replace Wolf/Mayo.

I didn't feel great about either of them being qualified for those positions. With Wolf, it appears there was a conscious decision to punt on the year from a spending standpoint. So I feel a bit harsh dumping him after year 1 of what appeared to be a multi-year plan. But none of the moves he made on the margins or the drafting after Maye inspire any confidence for me. On Mayo, he's set up to fail as much as any coach I can recall with this garbage roster, but there are so many troubling signs.

Basically, I can talk myself into it not being "fair" that Mayo and Wolf get such a short leash and that they "deserve" one more year. But my gut instinct is that even given time they aren't cut out for their roles, so why bother talking myself into it? Just cut the chord.

My only hesitation is that we weren't seen as a very attractive spot last year for any of the openings (front office, head coach, coordinators). It figures to be better with Maye now, but it could be possible that we still aren't seen as a great spot. Not saying the total avoidance it seemed to be last year, but feels like for one of the ready-made coach/GM regime combos, we could be a few rungs down the list and not get the cream of the crop. If the talent level is a little better next year, it's possible we could be seen in a better light. So maybe there's a thought to give Mayo/Wolf one more year and then move on next year if you have to, and presumably be in better position to get a quality operation to come in.

What I would be most against is bringing in a new HC, forcing him to work with Wolf, it goes bad, we end up restarting again next year. I don't want 3 different operations in 3 years.

I would argue the exact opposite. I'll use bullet points for why this was a bad job last year:

1. First coach to step into Bill's shoes.
2. No QB
3. Bad Roster

It really was a no-win situation, which goes back to the argument Mayo was set up to fail. I agree completely. But he had the luxery that Kraft's understood this and were willing to be patient and give him runway. The problem for Mayo, well one of the many problems with Mayo, and the one I believe ultimately has/will do him in, is his press conferences. I mean he is terrible and simply cannot answer a question without blaming everyone else. Its sure-fire sign of a piss poor leader. And along the same lines the commentary coming out of the locker room. I can't believe the Kraft's love the new "I'll say what I want" culture from their players.

Why things are different this season:
1. Filling Mayo and Groh's footies.
2. Appear to have the QB
3. A **** ton of cap space in a year where FA is full of talent at positions of need. Fill as many or all with short term solutions in FA.
4. High draft position that can be parlayed into both draft capital and talent.
5. Nail this and next year's draft combined with overpaying (Front Loading contracts) this year in FA and you have a solid foundation moving forward.

It's a very pliable situation with the most important piece in place, IMO, it's far more attractive now then it was a year ago.

 

[Foxypats]

What's the current pulse of Pats Nation?
Should Mayo be fired?

You forgot to add another choice. Should Kraft sell or step down. I would have said YES, and chances if that happened, Mayo would have been gone too, it’s like getting the two for the price of one!!

 

[WinstonSmith]

It's awfully hard to find a reason to keep Mayo and Wolfe around outside of "Kraft likes the dude".

I don't know, maybe we get lucky and Vrabel invites Kraft on a trip to Israel or something

Although, I guess some would label me a Belichick guy in that I don't think that the Patriots' success is just due to Tom, I would rather get a fresh start with someone with 0 ties to the Patriots and that has expertise on the offensive side. I'd prefer Ben Johnson, but would settle for any condiment other than Mayo.

 

[NashuaPats]

Please fire Mayo. It’s not just that he’s not doing a good job. He’s doing a terrible job. There are obvious things that are being done poorly nearly each game that a fan with mediocre knowledge of the game, like me, can point out. Plus, he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He walks around the sidelines looking clueless. Then he sells his coaches out as if he has no responsibility. And of course he has also sold out his players. He has no idea of how to be a head coach.

I don’t want to waste Maye.

I could see hiring Vrabel with bringing back Josh McDaniels to coach the offense. He’s a terrible head coach, but has always been a very good OC.

My preference would be to throw a lot of money at Ben Johnson. I don’t know much about him, but Detroit’s offense has been awesome and he’s the guy everyone is talking about. Then bring in Saleh to coach the defense.

If not Johnson, then hire another offensive and innovative head coach.

Coaching Maye, having a top pick, and having an absurd amount of money to spend to reshape the team has to be attractive… depending on what we do with Wolf and how much say the new coach has in player personnel.

Just fire Maye and maybe Wolf. Think of this year as a mistake and move on now.

 

[Keyser Söze]

He’s earned to be fired after just one season. This is a poorly run operation and it’s a joke Kraft made him HC

 

[Pape]

Who are the 6 assholes trolling?

Mayo is married to Chantel Mayo. The couple has three daughters and a son... 2 + 4...

Doin' the math here... Seems to add up...

 

[maust]

I'm counting all the RLKAG votes as yes too.

For the record I only voted RLKAG because RLKAGP2 (as in RLKAG Probably 2) wasn't an option.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Please fire Mayo. It’s not just that he’s not doing a good job. He’s doing a terrible job. There are obvious things that are being done poorly nearly each game that a fan with mediocre knowledge of the game, like me, can point out. Plus, he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He walks around the sidelines looking clueless. Then he sells his coaches out as if he has no responsibility. And of course he has also sold out his players. He has no idea of how to be a head coach.

I don’t want to waste Maye.

I could see hiring Vrabel with bringing back Josh McDaniels to coach the offense. He’s a terrible head coach, but has always been a very good OC.

My preference would be to throw a lot of money at Ben Johnson. I don’t know much about him, but Detroit’s offense has been awesome and he’s the guy everyone is talking about. Then bring in Saleh to coach the defense.

If not Johnson, then hire another offensive and innovative head coach.

Coaching Maye, having a top pick, and having an absurd amount of money to spend to reshape the team has to be attractive… depending on what we do with Wolf and how much say the new coach has in player personnel.

Just fire Maye and maybe Wolf. Think of this year as a mistake and move on now.

Ben has never had to Control the entire operation, that worries me, plus he has STUDS playing offense for him, we've seen it many times.
I personally don't want to see Josh and what seems to be an extremely difficult EP System coming back here, even seasoned pro's begged out or failed miserably.
We need Players, and coaches that KNOW what they are doing.

JMHO