Should Jerod Mayo be fired poll

[Ring 6]

Did you not take Reading Comprehension in School? I said that AVP has done well working with Maye strictly in the capacity as a QB Coach. Just let it go. You disagree. Fine. I'm done with this "You're right and am wrong" B.S. You clearly have to prove that you are always right. I've noticed that in 99% of your Thread responses. Move on!

If you give an opinion you should be able to defend it. I pointed out all the reasons that indicate Van Pelt has done a ****ty job. What are the facts that indicate he is doing a good job?

 

[JohnJH]

If you give an opinion you should be able to defend it. I pointed out all the reasons that indicate Van Pelt has done a ****ty job. What are the facts that indicate he is doing a good job?

What part of "Move On" did you not get? The Move, or The On?

 

[Ring 6]

What part of "Move On" did you not get? The Move, or The On?

The part where I don’t give a **** what you want to happen when you are making a bad argument. If you want to move on, run away or cry in the corner go ahead. Don’t think you can tell me what to do.

But making a ****head comment is certainly a move on kind of move isn’t it?

 

[turkeyneck]

Not buying it. RK would never shell out for the thick cut bologna...

 

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[n1997y]

Not buying it. RK would never shell out for the thick cut bologna...

That was my first thought too!

 

[Love The Drake]

Vrabel rumored to be the Jets target.

 

[TommyD4207]

Head Coach Jerod Mayo on Dealing with Criticism | Side of Mayo

Jerod Mayo’s response when asked about people criticizing the job he’s done:

“Criticism is going to happen. Not everyone’s a Patriots fan. I understand the frustrations as we continue to build this thing out. In saying that, it’s fine, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion.”

So… apparently… if you don’t like him then you’re just not a Patriots fan, since only non-fans are criticizing him, right?

What an embarrassing ****ing quote from a grown-ass man.

 

[TommyD4207]

Between Wolff, Mayo, Covington and AVP, AVP is the one that has done the best job this year. Not surprise Covington and his friend Mayo will conspire to scape goat him.

Kind of crazy that it will work if you consider that there much more talent on D and the defense has been worse than the offense by a country mile

This is a) accurate and b) terrifying, because Van Pelt has been nothing but a below-average offensive coordinator - and what, the 11th guy they brought in to try to take the job?

And he's been better than all the 'wunderkinds' you hired in the first place. None of this is actually debatable.

It's one thing to **** up an make mistakes, that's to be expected in a rebuild. It's another thing entirely to constantly **** up, and make the exact wrong decisions at every turn.

 

[TommyD4207]

We are 31st in points, 30th in yards.
We are 31 in first downs, 32 in passing yards.
We are 29 on 3rd down, 30 in the red zone
We are 31 in 20+ pass plays, we are last in 40+ pass plays.
We are 31 on TDs
We are 31 on yards per catch
We are 28 in sacks %.

Exactly what has Van Pelt done well?

Well? Nothing.
Considering the groceries he's had to work with, I'd say he's done a below average job.

Unfortunately, that is leagues better than what has happened at every other spot on the football team, turning decent-to-good talent into garbage.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Vrabel rumored to be the Jets target.

Not a favorable scenario for Bobby.

 

[Jackson 2]

Not a favorable scenario for Bobby.

An even worse scenario for Mikey. Any coach would be better off coaching in f###### Siberia than New Jersey.

 

[Ring 6]

Well? Nothing.
Considering the groceries he's had to work with, I'd say he's done a below average job.

Unfortunately, that is leagues better than what has happened at every other spot on the football team, turning decent-to-good talent into garbage.

Below average is generous.
One way to look at it is he was given the #3 pick QB who is very good.
2 quality RBs.
An early 2nd WR and a 2 year ago 2nd. A free agent who was productive in Minnesota. A capable slot receiver. 2 fine TEs.

A highly paid G/T, a FA T, a 3rd round pick T. A vet C. An OL who started at both G and T las a rookie (sow)

And he built arguably the worst offense in the league.

The cook has to know how to use the groceries.
I would argue he couldn’t get what he should have out of any of the WRs and screwed uo the OL with indecision. And he let the offense fail way too long before playing Maye

And the play calling is terrible.

 

[KCSVEN]

Below average is generous.
One way to look at it is he was given the #3 pick QB who is very good.
2 quality RBs.
An early 2nd WR and a 2 year ago 2nd. A free agent who was productive in Minnesota. A capable slot receiver. 2 fine TEs.

A highly paid G/T, a FA T, a 3rd round pick T. A vet C. An OL who started at both G and T las a rookie (sow)

And he built arguably the worst offense in the league.

The cook has to know how to use the groceries.
I would argue he couldn’t get what he should have out of any of the WRs and screwed uo the OL with indecision. And he let the offense fail way too long before playing Maye

And the play calling is terrible.

I think AVP is adequate, there are only a few really good OC’s in the league and half of them are head coaches calling plays.
Your post makes it sounds like he has all this talent.
Last year they averaged 13.88 points per game. In Maye starts, not Jets, they are 18.88. 5 points more per game and an average that puts them around 22nd in league. There defense is worse meaning offense gets less possessions and worse field position.

Almost every off season ranking had the offensive line and skill players ranked 32nd in the NFL. Building up the skill players and line to make it sound like AVP has a lot to work with is silly.
He’s not innovative but he’s not bad like Mayo and Covington, he’s really the most qualified coach they have.
All that said I want a HC that calls plays, Ben Johnson type or bust as that is how you build a top offense over the long term.
O Connell, McVay, Reid, Lafleur, Payton, Shanahan, McDaniel, Taylor etc
If a OC gets good at it they leave for a head coaching job.
GET the good offensive minded Head Coach and your ODDS of long-term success are higher.

 

[Ring 6]

I think AVP is adequate, there are only a few really good OC’s in the league and half of them are head coaches calling plays.
Your post makes it sounds like he has all this talent.
Last year they averaged 13.88 points per game. In Maye starts, not Jets, they are 18.88. 5 points more per game and an average that puts them around 22nd in league. There defense is worse meaning offense gets less possessions and worse field position.

Almost every off season ranking had the offensive line and skill players ranked 32nd in the NFL. Building up the skill players and line to make it sound like AVP has a lot to work with is silly.
He’s not innovative but he’s not bad like Mayo and Covington, he’s really the most qualified coach they have.
All that said I want a HC that calls plays, Ben Johnson type or bust as that is how you build a top offense over the long term.
O Connell, McVay, Reid, Lafleur, Payton, Shanahan, McDaniel, Taylor etc
If a OC gets good at it they leave for a head coaching job.
GET the good offensive minded Head Coach and your ODDS of long-term success are higher.

We runs the worst offense in the NFL or close to it.
Why can’t Osborne produce in his system? He produced elsewhere. Why can’t Polk or baker or Boutte or Bourne.
If you think Maye is only 5 points better per game than the worst of the worst, you must be hoping to draft another Qb this year.

I’m just sick and tired of people making excuses for failure.

Look at the OL. If he hadn’t f-ed around with Onwenu and chunks you’d have a mediocre RT instead of a waiver wire bottom of the barrel guy. And Onwenu might not have dropped off so much if he was stable in one spot. If he had played Sow at LG, a guy who played better last year then any one on the OL has played this year. That ol would be much better than what we did.
The play calling has been awful.
That 18.8 you talk about is 25th in the league, tied for 26th, 1 point more than Carolina. I don’t think that’s the positive statement you seem to think it is.

He hasn’t done anything well. If you don’t develop your players, if you don’t use your players correctly, you can’t turn around and blame your players.

 

[Ring 6]

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He actually referenced the decisions he made and stated his 2 wives as examples of being the same as how he chose Mayo in the introduction pc.

 

[Froob]

I went back to his press conference. 3 minutes in to him speaking he brought up DEI.

Did it really bother you that he acknowledged being a black coach and that he sees color?

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm officially in the camp of supporting a coaching change. I've seen enough. Bob needs to talk to Vrabes.

Just not seeing any improvement with the team or with Mayo as a coach.

Thank God they seemed to have done the right thing with Maye.

I'm not sure about Wolf and having confidence he'll draft well and spend wisely in FA.

Normally I would vote in a poll, but I’m not voting in this one because my criteria for firing Mayo is that they have to have a replacement lined up they will stand by for at least 5 years, regardless of how loud the fanbase is screaming 8 months into the new coaches tenure. Changing coaches and GM’s repeatedly means disaster for any franchise in any sport. I don’t think Mayo and his staff have done enough to deserve another season, because they couldn’t meet even the lowest bar this season. But I don’t want them firing them, and then hiring another coaching staff that can’t get it done, and firing them. I would rather see them stick with this staff until they can find a coach they can fully get behind. And that coach must run a west coast offense, or a variant of it, I don’t want them changing offensive systems on Maye, and I don’t want a return to the Erhardt-Perkins system. So if I were to cast a vote it would be to change coaching staffs, but allow Wolf to hire the coach, and make it someone they will stand by.

As for Wolf hiring the coach, I don’t care what the job is but when someone has to take full responsibility for that job performance then they have to have the full authority to do that job. Wolf will be judged and held accountable for the performance of the team, and right now he is working with Kraft’s coach, and mostly Belichick’s team. If he were to be fired right now it would be for the failure of others, when the most important decision he has made got them their franchise QB of the long term future. So he should be given full control of football operations, just as Belichick had, as he will be the person who will be held responsible for it.

 

[Ring 6]

Did it really bother you that he acknowledged being a black coach and that he sees color?

Only if his hiring is based upon that and not upon being the best man for the job which seems to be the case.

 

[Ring 6]

Normally I would vote in a poll, but I’m not voting in this one because my criteria for firing Mayo is that they have to have a replacement lined up they will stand by for at least 5 years, regardless of how loud the fanbase is screaming 8 months into the new coaches tenure. Changing coaches and GM’s repeatedly means disaster for any franchise in any sport. I don’t think Mayo and his staff have done enough to deserve another season, because they couldn’t meet even the lowest bar this season. But I don’t want them firing them, and then hiring another coaching staff that can’t get it done, and firing them. I would rather see them stick with this staff until they can find a coach they can fully get behind. And that coach must run a west coast offense, or a variant of it, I don’t want them changing offensive systems on Maye, and I don’t want a return to the Erhardt-Perkins system. So if I were to cast a vote it would be to change coaching staffs, but allow Wolf to hire the coach, and make it someone they will stand by.

As for Wolf hiring the coach, I don’t care what the job is but when someone has to take full responsibility for that job performance then they have to have the full authority to do that job. Wolf will be judged and held accountable for the performance of the team, and right now he is working with Kraft’s coach, and mostly Belichick’s team. If he were to be fired right now it would be for the failure of others, when the most important decision he has made got them their franchise QB of the long term future. So he should be given full control of football operations, just as Belichick had, as he will be the person who will be held responsible for it.

If you have a team that is dysfunctional and not being coached properly a losing mentality always evolves. It is far better to change coaches often than it is to just accept bad.