Semi-OT: Would you trade for Trey Lance? [UPDATE: He's been traded to Dallas]

[Kasmir]

I agree. I am not seeing he is a bust but general public opinion is that he is a bust . Nobody is providing him the leeway because of injuries because availability counts . No sympathies for injuries , it's ruthless in NFL.

I am just saying that majority public opinion is that lance is a bust because of the expended draft capital .

So there is this albatross hanging around his neck. Unless he gets a chance to prove , he might end up being put on comparison and historically referenced along with Tebow, manziel or jamarcus Russell.

The killer is that the team that drafted him at such an enormous cost has him as 3rd string and appears ready to dump him.

 

[FCB02062]

Lance will go down as one of the biggest draft busts of all time, given the King's Ransom given up to draft this bum

 

[Real fan 02]

Ceiling what ceiling?? The guy hasn't shown jack squat in the NFL. I prefer batted down passes Zappe.

Having an opportunity to land a athlete like Lance, would be a no brainer.. I've said IMHO My guy Mac is going to price himself out of NE.. so it's not my money, not my draft picks.. I'd say Lance for a 4th and another player sounds good to me! He can be in the back up role, continuing to develop and learn. His talents are what the modern NFL is all about.

 

[PaulThePat]

His talents are what the modern NFL is all about.

What talents do you mean?

 

[mgcolby]

I follow the draft. I claimed then Lance was a 3rd Rd development project. I was laughed at and ridiculed by most.
At this point I wouldn't trade anything for him.
Keep Cunningham and develop him.

My opinion back in that draft, it was Lawrence, which obviously was going number 1. Then Mac, Wilson (character/leadership concerns put him behind Mac), Trask then Lance.

I didn't think the price was worth the risk for Lance, and that was thinking it would take one 1st and a few other lesser picks to get him. And I wanted nothing to do with Fields. Ohio St QBs simply suck in the NFL. And I still wouldn't take Fields over Mac today.

 

[Ian]

Having an opportunity to land a athlete like Lance, would be a no brainer.. I've said IMHO My guy Mac is going to price himself out of NE.. so it's not my money, not my draft picks.. I'd say Lance for a 4th and another player sounds good to me! He can be in the back up role, continuing to develop and learn. His talents are what the modern NFL is all about.

I wouldn't want that. I'd keep Zappe because I feel like Zappe would be a better and less turnover-prone option than Sam Darnold, who just beat out Lance (also turnover prone) for the job.

If Mac went down and Zappe had to go in, I feel like most of us would be pretty optimistic when it came to their chances. I think if it were Lance or Darnold, we'd be a little more uneasy.

 

[mgcolby]

Having an opportunity to land a athlete like Lance, would be a no brainer.. I've said IMHO My guy Mac is going to price himself out of NE.. so it's not my money, not my draft picks.. I'd say Lance for a 4th and another player sounds good to me! He can be in the back up role, continuing to develop and learn. His talents are what the modern NFL is all about.

Price himself out of NE? If you don't pay at the position then what? Perpetually spend a first on a QB every 5 years or sign journeymen and live somewhere between mediocrity and the basement?

I honestly don't understand that assessment at all. I understand where the notion comes from but think it's misplaced at the QB position, IMO.

 

[mgcolby]

Howe says there are teams out there that think he's worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder lol.

I laugh but don't doubt it

 

[Real fan 02]

Price himself out of NE? If you don't pay at the position then what? Perpetually spend a first on a QB every 5 years or sign journeymen and live somewhere between mediocrity and the basement?

I honestly don't understand that assessment at all. I understand where the notion comes from but think it's misplaced at the QB position, IMO.

Well let me explain. I believe Mac will bounce back and look the QB he was in 2021. That will likely call for a salary commensurate to what Daniel jones is making. So do you believe ownership is paying 40 million to keep Mac? We all have opinions, as this is mines. I firmly believe the won't pay Mac 40 million.. that's what a QB salary is... a good QB salary commands. So there is nothing too confusing about my assessment. Just my opinion.

 

[Real fan 02]

I wouldn't want that. I'd keep Zappe because I feel like Zappe would be a better and less turnover-prone option than Sam Darnold, who just beat out Lance (also turnover prone) for the job.

If Mac went down and Zappe had to go in, I feel like most of us would be pretty optimistic when it came to their chances. I think if it were Lance or Darnold, we'd be a little more uneasy.

Well why can't there be Mac, Zappe and Lance? Would you be against this.? I never said that I'd be willing to trade Zapp.. I agree with you Ian.. but I believe it's a realistic idea the team could explore.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Lance will net the niners a 3rd round compensatory pick when his contract expires so you can rule out them trading him for anything less than that.

You think Lance will get one of the biggest contracts when he becomes a FA?

 

[mgcolby]

He is third string behind Sam Freakin Darnold as a third year player. Why trade for him. Shanahan's system is built to make any QB look good. Well, every QB not named Trey Lance.

I think it may be official that Lance is the worst draft pick in NFL history. Miami got Hill, Waddle, and Chubb while San Fran got a third string QB. If the 49ers weren't so good, everyone would be fired for this one move. The dumbest in a long, long time.

Was the Ricky Williams draft Day trade considered a long, long time? If not what about the Hershel Walker trade?

I kid. But it's definitely the worst pick/trade in recent memory.

 

[mgcolby]

Well let me explain. I believe Mac will bounce back and look the QB he was in 2021. That will likely call for a salary commensurate to what Daniel jones is making. So do you believe ownership is paying 40 million to keep Mac? We all have opinions, as this is mines. I firmly believe the won't pay Mac 40 million.. that's what a QB salary is... a good QB salary commands. So there is nothing too confusing about my assessment. Just my opinion.

What confuses me about your opinion, which I'm not knocking, is you give the prime example as to why they would have to pay him. If they don't then the scenario I mentioned comes into play and I don't think that is a viable option or a smart one. So that, IMO, only leaves them one option, pay Mac.

Of course that is assuming, as we both do that Mac will have a bounce back year, and IMO a much better year than his rookie season.

 

[Ian]

Well why can't there be Mac, Zappe and Lance? Would you be against this.? I never said that I'd be willing to trade Zapp.. I agree with you Ian.. but I believe it's a realistic idea the team could explore.

Because in that scenario, that probably wouldn't happen unless Lance was flat-out released. If that was the case, I'm sure they'd do their due diligence, as they do with everyone.

 

[mgcolby]

Because in that scenario, that probably wouldn't happen unless Lance was flat-out released. If that was the case, I'm sure they'd do their due diligence, as they do with everyone.

Spoken like a true Belichickian..

 

[Real fan 02]

Because in that scenario, that probably wouldn't happen unless Lance was flat-out released. If that was the case, I'm sure they'd do their due diligence, as they do with everyone.

Got it! Well likely if he isn't moved then that in being released would likely be the case as we all know. I'm all in with Mac, but the idea is Intriguing even though it won't happen.

 

[archstanton543]

 

[h0c2000]

Was tempted to choose no, but Ray always entices me in the end.

Lance is QB3 on - arguably - a team that doesn’t have a QB1. I’m not convinced Mr Irrelevant will have continued success. But, I am indeed convinced their QB2 is a major bust. And Lance can’t beat that guy ? Ouch.

Exactly, what have any of the 49ers QBs done? They couldn't even beat the Eagles in the playoffs.

 

[Real fan 02]

What confuses me about your opinion, which I'm not knocking, is you give the prime example as to why they would have to pay him. If they don't then the scenario I mentioned comes into play and I don't think that is a viable option or a smart one. So that, IMO, only leaves them one option, pay Mac.

Of course that is assuming, as we both do that Mac will have a bounce back year, and IMO a much better year than his rookie season.

I think we are both on the same page. And I hear what your saying. Trust me I WANT them to pay Mac. Jones is the best comparison I can use. As he was a 1st rounder like Mac.. in his case was ruined by Joe Judge as well. Then salvaged by a QB savant in dabol. I'm just assuming they won't shel out 40 Mil for mac.. if they did he'd get a hell of a signing bonus, and other things he had to achieve in order to see that full value.

I guess it's really just me seeing as how over the years the team has had so many instances where they HAVE NOT paid guys. That is just stuck in my head a bit.

 

[Ian]

Got it! Well likely if he isn't moved then that in being released would likely be the case as we all know. I'm all in with Mac, but the idea is Intriguing even though it won't happen.

You don't have to be all-in with Mac, but I feel like Zappe is among the best back up quarterbacks out there currently, and I think most people are good with developing Malik Cunningham and letting that play out. Cunningham, in what little we saw of him, was somewhat accurate and smart with the football, which is obviously important.

If Mac falters and falls out of favor, and down the road, they moved on from him, then it's a different story because that third spot would open back up since the other two would likely ascend (although, that's assuming they don't bring in a more experienced back-up). But a lot would have to happen between now and then, which leads me to believe the window wouldn't be open timing-wise for him to even be an option here.

I think they're happy with Zappe and Cunningham. They'd have to be unhappy with Mac for that other door to open, and that probably wouldn't happen until after this season.

Knowing San Francisco, they'll probably keep Lance anyway for 2023 unless some team offers up at least a 3rd to take him. So this may not even play out until next offseason, at least if recent history is any indication based on how they've done things there.