Schefter: Pats sign Brandon Lloyd

[ausbacker]

I'm not trying to look down on Lloyd, he's going to be great for us. I'm just strongly arguing against Nordberg's belief that Lloyd is better than Moss.

Randy Moss is and probably only ever will be bested by Jerry Rice. That said, it's not unreasonable to suggest that perhaps Lloyd's route running ability may be better than Moss' were.

The great thing is, we'll get a chance to see.

 

[NEboiTB]

This is the signing I have been waiting for. We finally have a capable outside WR that can stretch the field.

Welker in the slot
Llyod on the outside
Gronk and Hernandez in the other two spots

Who is going to stop that? Brady had 5000 passing yards last year and I can't wait to see how many yards he passes for with this offense!!

 

[Nordberg]

Forget this Moss vs. Lloyd comparison. It's silly.

Deion Branch isn't better than Randy Moss either when you compare their lifetime stats.

Now go pull up their playoff numbers.

It's the difference between someone that fights vs someone that lie's down.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Randy Moss is and probably only ever will be bested by Jerry Rice. That said, it's not unreasonable to suggest that perhaps Lloyd's route running ability may be better than Moss' were.

The great thing is, we'll get a chance to see.

There's no doubt that Lloyd is is more balanced than Moss in what he brings to the team, I just find it silly for anyone to say Brandon is the best WR Brady's had when Randy Freakin' Moss has been here. It's insanity.

 

[Nordberg]

Randy Moss is and probably only ever will be bested by Jerry Rice. That said, it's not unreasonable to suggest that perhaps Lloyd's route running ability may be better than Moss' were.

The great thing is, we'll get a chance to see.

After watching Lloyd's highlight real....at least half of his receptions are with him laying out, going after balls.

I absolutely love this guys fight/game

 

[Nordberg]

There's no doubt that Lloyd is is more balanced than Moss in what he brings to the team, I just find it silly for anyone to say Brandon is the best WR Brady's had when Randy Freakin' Moss has been here. It's insanity.

I'll agree with that.

Moss is the greatest deep threat the league has ever seen.

 

[Deus Irae]

Deion Branch isn't better than Randy Moss either when you compare their lifetime stats.

Now go pull up their playoff numbers.

It's the difference between someone that fights vs someone that lie's down.

Randy Moss drew double and triple teams throughout his career, and he's still put up numbers Lloyd can't even dream of. Moss has 10 1000+ yard seasons in 13 years. Lloyd's broken the 1000 yard mark once. Moss has the NFL record for touchdowns in a season. Moss has more TD in 2 seasons (40) than Lloyd has in his 9 year career (31) I know you want to ignore that part of it, but that's just not possible. Your argument was ridiculous.

And

After being in the league for 10 years. Tom Brady finally has a great WR. Yes....better than Moss

- From linked thread

Lloyd will be the toughest WR for defenses to stop in the Brady era IMO.

You're right. Lloyd is better. I like route runners, and stick movers in crunch time. Not a guy that defenses know what route he's going to run on 90% of the snaps. A go route

said nothing about the playoffs. That crap didn't start until after you'd been called out.

Lloyd isn't better than Moss. Lloyd isn't better than Welker. Your point wasn't valid.

 

[ATippett56]

AlexSmith. It won't be Peyton, I have a hunch...

Sounds like poor Alex Smith needs a new agent.

 

[Joker]

I was on the Lloyd bandwagon from day 1 right, and on March 1 you were blabbing up Lloyd signing with the Rams and running down what it would take to get Wallace...which is all you EVER do...throw crap at the wall and go with what sticks 03-01-2012, 01:45 PM #158
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Default re: Torn between FA WRs Mike Wallace and Brandon Lloyd...
And Rams have started contract negotiations with Lloyd.

What remains to be seen is whether they make Lloyd an offer he can't refuse (or assume we would match). He could be off the market by mid month. As for Wallace, there will be a bidding war for his services under the tender and we would likely be outbid for the priviledge of trading #31 anyway..."priviledge"..what's that...the parapet you walk when you dream up all these fairy stories? in any event, it's a real privilege (sarcasm) to know how little you think of me...and of course...everyone else.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...on-lloyd-re-patriots-reuniting-mcdaniels.html

I knew they would tag Welker if they didn't get a deal done, so I don't know what you're talking about.what I am talking about is I posted they would tag Welker, nothing else, no ifs, no "uh...buts"...YOU laid into me like you do with everyone else that you disagree with and went on another 20 post spree of MoCrazyContractTheories when the Patriots did exactly what I opined...why the F you need to vomit all your longwinded contract fairy stories ad nauseum will forever puzzle me...just chalk it up to the default MoLewisrocks snide rejoinder..."you're delusional"...in fact , if anybody wants to waste an hour, do a search with MoLewisrocks and delusional in a post...I ran across 12 mocking putdowns using this signature phrase in just 11 of the 50 plus pages of cascading MoLewisims on this site

I also predicted that Lloyd wouldn't be signed to a long term deal or for top WR money. I said the other night that it would probably be in the $4-5M range. Turns out it's $4M without incentives and $5M with them per Ron Borges. And I was against persuing Wallace from the get go so maybe you're just having a psychotic breakdown or something...yeah...persuing, eh? what's that, more of your Perseus complex, MoDemiGod...try pursing your lips, Evil Queen, when you primp another one of your 17,000 posts before posting..

I didn't get on your back, you called me out in a thread you seem to think makes some point about your being right when it doesn'tof course it "doesn't"...everyone KNOWS only YOU are 100% always right."Mirror mirror on the wall, who's always right most of all?" So get a clue and do more than just ignore me...well...what would THAT be?...just spit it out oh 17,000 posts of grandiose pomposity.I've asked you before...very simply..place me on ignore so I can at least be done with your snotty, elitist screeds.

It's a MoLewisrocks world...we are all just very fortunate peons to be allowed in the presence of such a deity...why, you'd have to be DELUSIONAL to ever disagree with such a vaunted intellect.

 

[Nordberg]

Randy Moss drew double and triple teams throughout his career, and he's still put up numbers Lloyd can't even dream of. Moss has 10 1000+ yard seasons in 13 years. Lloyd's broken the 1000 yard mark once. Moss has the NFL record for touchdowns in a season. Moss has more TD in 2 seasons (40) than Lloyd has in his 9 year career (31) I know you want to ignore that part of it, but that's just not possible. Your argument was ridiculous.

And



- From linked thread







said nothing about the playoffs. That crap didn't start until after you'd been called out.

Lloyd isn't better than Moss. Lloyd isn't better than Welker. Your point wasn't valid.

As someone else just said

Lloyd is more balanced than Moss

That is why "I" like him better for this offense.

You can have the one trick pony that quits when someone gets in his face...and doesn't run across the middle of the field.

I want defenses to respect every inch of the field...not just the bomb.

 

[Deus Irae]

As someone else just said

Lloyd is more balanced than Moss

That is why "I" like him better for this offense.

You can have the one trick pony that quits when someone gets in his face...and doesn't run across the middle of the field.

I want defenses to respect every inch of the field...not just the bomb.

As I pointed out, you changed your tune after being called out for a ridiculous assertion. At this point, it's just damage control for you with regards to your argument.

Kind of silly, but whatever makes you feel better.

 

[Leemo]

We can put a bid on Wallace, 6m/yr 4yrs, and see if Steelers bite...

Would be a good price but do we really need him now? I mean surely we just draft a guy in rounds 2-4.. no need for another 6m/year

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

As someone else just said

Lloyd is more balanced than Moss

That is why "I" like him better for this offense.

You can have the one trick pony that quits when someone gets in his face...and doesn't run across the middle of the field.

I want defenses to respect every inch of the field...not just the bomb.

I don't mind having the one trick pony when he's arguably the best one trick pony that's ever played the game of football.

Usain Bolt can't throw the discus or pole vault as well as someone that competes in the decathlon but he's the fastest man on the face of the earth. You have to respect his speed a whole hell of a lot more than anything a decathlon competitor can do.

Again, Lloyd is going to bring a wider variety of routes than Moss but that doesn't in any way make him a better WR.

 

[Nordberg]

As I pointed out, you changed your tune after being called out for a ridiculous assertion. At this point, it's just damage control for you with regards to your argument.

Kind of silly, but whatever makes you feel better.

How is it damage control?

I still think Lloyd will make the offense more deverse than what Moss did.

Too me....that makes the offense better. Thus harder to stop.

 

[ausbacker]

As I pointed out, you changed your tune after being called out for a ridiculous assertion. At this point, it's just damage control for you with regards to your argument.

Kind of silly, but whatever makes you feel better.

No rational argument surrounds the point that Lloyd is better than Moss. It's absurd. What Lloyd needs to do is play well and win a ring. That's the best level of success he can bring to New England.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Would be a good price but do we really need him now? I mean surely we just draft a guy in rounds 2-4.. no need for another 6m/year

Not that I would be totally against bringing him in but I don't know if it would be a wise financial move. It's been talked about already. How much do you pay for a 4th-5th target in our offense? If we added Wallace, unless Hernandez becomes the 5th target, it becomes Brandon Lloyd and $4 million a year is pretty expensive for someone that far down the checkdown list.

 

[Nordberg]

I don't mind having the one trick pony when he's arguably the best one trick pony that's ever played the game of football.

Usain Bolt can't throw the discus or pole vault as well as someone that competes in the decathlon but he's the fastest man on the face of the earth. You have to respect his speed a whole hell of a lot more than anything a decathlon competitor can do.

Again, Lloyd is going to bring a wider variety of routes than Moss but that doesn't in any way make him a better WR.

I'm not going to disagree with alot of what you are saying. Moss did demand a deep safety on every snap, because of his speed, height, and hands.

But, there is another side to that. When defenses put there game plan together you basically can eliminate Moss with two guys most of the time.

With guys like Lloyd......you still have to keep a safety back a bit....and the corner has to worry about him breaking off his routes on every play

 

[ausbacker]

I'm not going to disagree with alot of what you are saying. Moss did demand a deep safety on every snap, because of his speed, height, and hands.

But, there is another side to that. When defenses put there game plan together you basically can eliminate Moss with two guys most of the time.

With guys like Lloyd......you still have to keep a safety back a bit....and the corner has to worry about him breaking off his routes on every play

Nordberg, I can't believe I just read this as a comment in regards to defending Randy Moss and/or Brandon Lloyd. It's probably best to simply quit now.

 

[Deus Irae]

How is it damage control?

I still think Lloyd will make the offense more deverse than what Moss did.

Too me....that makes the offense better. Thus harder to stop.

What the hell are you talking about? The 2007 offense is the #1 scoring offense in the history of the NFL. His 1998 Vikings have the #3 scoring offense in the history of the NFL.

Seriously, you need to go sleep it off.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

I'm not going to disagree with alot of what you are saying. Moss did demand a deep safety on every snap, because of his speed, height, and hands.

But, there is another side to that. When defenses put there game plan together you basically can eliminate Moss with two guys most of the time.

With guys like Lloyd......you still have to keep a safety back a bit....and the corner has to worry about him breaking off his routes on every play

That's the point. You couldn't "basically eliminate" Moss with two guys. You could try, he could still beat you.

Honestly, the guy had almost 3,800 yards and 47 TDs in three seasons for us and you're saying that's because he wasn't double teamed enough?