Report: Welker won't be franchised

[Deus Irae]

Brady will be better once welker is gone.

He has a lot of tools around him, but seems overly reliant on Welker. Take welker out of the game and brady gets shut down. This never happened so visually prior to welker with that whole "Brady's favorite receiver is the open man" mentality.

Once welker is gone Brady will be forced to make the young receivers better via working together more, and see more game day targets.

Which young target has been wasted because Brady didn't throw him the ball? It certainly wasn't Brandon Tate:


Brandon Tate 2009-2010 Patriots - 24 receptions
Brandon Tate 2011-2012 Bengals - 13 receptions

 

[BrickPat]

Brady will be better once welker is gone.

He has a lot of tools around him, but seems overly reliant on Welker. Take welker out of the game and brady gets shut down. This never happened so visually prior to welker with that whole "Brady's favorite receiver is the open man" mentality.

Once welker is gone Brady will be forced to make the young receivers better via working together more, and see more game day targets.

Brady has shown that his favorite receiver is the open one... even with the arrival of Welker. I can't recall many games where Brady tried to force it into Welker while other receivers were more open.

If Brady is overly reliant on Welker it was likely because he was the most reliable when it came to getting open. IIRC Welker was #1 in YAC last season. If the Pats' entire offense was stymied from Welker being shut down it may have been because the rest of the offense could not pick up the slack. The underperformance of the other receivers in getting seperation/open should not be held against Welker. Also Welker is not like Moss with demands for touches...while he undoubtedly wants to be involved he does not strike me as a selfish player in that regard.

 

[Ivan]

Lmao at the people putting welker in the Calvin,Fitz, Andre, Julio category. "But but look at his catches"

But but but look at his catches, but but but look at him leading the league in yards after the catch, but but but look at him leading the league in first downs......year after year after year. And morons like jerry Rice think he's great and they should pay him.

But but but you are right, they could have had Mike Williams and they cut Chad Jackson, they should have listened to you and drafted Antoine Walker.

 

[Brady6]

If you sent WW targets elsewhere based on catch to target, yards per catch and TD to catch ration this is what you would get for production from what we have on our roster.


Player
Catches
Yards
TD
Edelman
115
1286
16
Lloyd
99
1218
5
Gronkowski
121
1744
24
Hernandez
106
1004
10

 

[Ivan]

Brady will be better once welker is gone.

He has a lot of tools around him, but seems overly reliant on Welker. Take welker out of the game and brady gets shut down. This never happened so visually prior to welker with that whole "Brady's favorite receiver is the open man" mentality.

Once welker is gone Brady will be forced to make the young receivers better via working together more, and see more game day targets.

That must be why Brady's best years and the Patriots best offenses ever have been with him. And rhat must be why they have had 2 of the best 3 offensive performances in NFL history with Welker, because they will be better without him.

The Oklahoma Thunder would be so much better without Kevin Durant...........

 

[Ivan]

What do you think his production is worth?

If you go by the numbers 8 years and 125 million. And that's just the facts.

 

[Brady6]

If you go by the numbers 8 years and 125 million. And that's just the facts.

Vincent Jackson had 30 more yards on 72 catches. Nobody pays a RB who had 1000 yards on 350 carries and catches aren't that much different.

 

[Deus Irae]

Vincent Jackson had 30 more yards on 72 catches. Nobody pays a RB who had 1000 yards on 350 carries and catches aren't that much different.

It's completely different.

 

[Ivan]

Vincent Jackson had 30 more yards on 72 catches. Nobody pays a RB who had 1000 yards on 350 carries and catches aren't that much different.

Vincent Jackson had a great season but still didn't have as many first downs or yards after the catch as Welker. They are different types of receiver with different roles but I'm sure the Patriots could sign Welker to the same deal Jackson got even though he was much more productive than Jackson the past 3 years.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

If you sent WW targets elsewhere based on catch to target, yards per catch and TD to catch ration this is what you would get for production from what we have on our roster.


Player
Catches
Yards
TD
Edelman
115
1286
16
Lloyd
99
1218
5
Gronkowski
121
1744
24
Hernandez
106
1004
10

I guess if you could target players who aren't actually on the field including those on IR you might do OK without a guy like Welker who basically always is... As a matter of fact I think they tested that theory once back in the playoffs in 2010 against Baltimore. Didn't work.

 

[Ivan]

Vincent Jackson had 30 more yards on 72 catches. Nobody pays a RB who had 1000 yards on 350 carries and catches aren't that much different.

Actually carries and receptions are very different, a receiver has to get open to get receptions whereas a RB only has to take the hand-off. trying to replace Welker with a JAG is the stupidest idea ever floated on this board other than getting rid of Brady, which some of the geniuses here have suggested in the past.

 

[Ring 6]

The good thing lies in the fact that what I was pointing out was a bare minimum that should not be to hard to outdo.

So making up that you think we will replace half of the production with no basis is reason to celebrate? The other half is what makes the offense good.

 

[Ring 6]

If you sent WW targets elsewhere based on catch to target, yards per catch and TD to catch ration this is what you would get for production from what we have on our roster.


Player
Catches
Yards
TD
Edelman
115
1286
16
Lloyd
99
1218
5
Gronkowski
121
1744
24
Hernandez
106
1004
10

What? You think Edelman is going to catch 115 passes?
What were you drinkiing when you thought this one up?

 

[Brady6]

It's completely different.

Why is it different? The NFL is about yards and points..

 

[Brady6]

Vincent Jackson had a great season but still didn't have as many first downs or yards after the catch as Welker. They are different types of receiver with different roles but I'm sure the Patriots could sign Welker to the same deal Jackson got even though he was much more productive than Jackson the past 3 years.

Yes well of course he had more first downs it took him more downs to get places than Jackson.

 

[Brady6]

What? You think Edelman is going to catch 115 passes?
What were you drinkiing when you thought this one up?

Did you not read what the # are based on? It is a ration of WW 174 catches all going to Edelman not what I think is going to happen..

You should really read prior to react Andrew.

 

[Brady6]

Actually carries and receptions are very different, a receiver has to get open to get receptions whereas a RB only has to take the hand-off. trying to replace Welker with a JAG is the stupidest idea ever floated on this board other than getting rid of Brady, which some of the geniuses here have suggested in the past.

I'm not suggesting a JAG I'm just pointing out WW receives a ton of opportunities and the major question should be if another player could do as well or even better with those opportunities.

My only concern is replacing 1354 yards and 6 touchdowns how many catches or first downs are made to get it.

 

[Ivan]

I'm not suggesting a JAG I'm just pointing out WW receives a ton of opportunities and the major question should be if another player could do as well or even better with those opportunities.

My only concern is replacing 1354 yards and 6 touchdowns how many catches or first downs are made to get it.

Name the player they can get who is going to replace it? After suggesting that Edelman is going to catch 100 balls i"m really tempted just to put you on ignore but i will wait and see who you come up with first.

 

[Deus Irae]

Why is it different? The NFL is about yards and points..

Because, other than the short yardage specialist, all "running" running backs are trying to accomplish the same thing: maximize yards per carry, minimize turnovers, move the chains.

Wide receivers, on the other hand, come with several different specialties and goals. The two most often discussed are "possession receiver" and "deep threat" but, as BB stated, "slot receiver" is a speciality of its own and is almost a completely different position. What you're basically arguing for is a YPC approach to rankings and compensation, for all receivers.

Wisely, teams don't follow that advice.

 

[Ivan]

Yes well of course he had more first downs it took him more downs to get places than Jackson.

Vincent Jackson plays a different role than Welker does, and while i agree they need a deep threat that in no way means they should throw away the most productive receiver in football for the past 5 years. The answer is to re-sign Welker and add a deep threat or 2 in the draft and free agency. The Patriots get worse if the let Welker walk, period, there is no way to be as good without him.