Report: Tim Tebow asked out of Wildcat because he was skipped

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Are we supposed to believe this story came out of nowhere for no reason?

The Jets starting QB just got benched. Do you even understand how locker rooms work? There are going to be some people in that locker room, maybe even Sanchez himself, who would want to talk down Tebow because they believe Sanchez should be starting.

Or maybe the Jets themselves wanted it out there because from a PR standpoint starting McElroy over Tebow was a little bemusing given that Tebow had been the #2 QB all year and had gotten an undue amount of attention.

I mean it's almost too obvious as to why this news would come out and hardly any of it is for 'no reason'.

The Jets locker room has been out of control for a while now.

Don't kid yourself that this kid is beyond reproach.

Who is? I don't worship Tebow.

But he is a guy who has generally done the right thing in an abysmal situation all season long. Now all of the sudden the leakiest locker room in the NFL vomits up some sources saying he did something negative and Tebow haters latch onto them because for some reason they need Tebow to **** up.

Tebow straight up said it wasn't true and until someone else with a face and a name counters him believing in the sources over Tebow is just believing what is convenient to your own biases.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Jets starting QB just got benched. Do you even understand how locker rooms work?...Tebow straight up said it wasn't true and until someone else with a face and a name counters him believing in the sources over Tebow is just believing what is convenient to your own biases.

The bigots wanted an excuse to bash Tebow. The story being true or false is irrelevant to them. The same thing has gone on over on the Jets boards, where Tebow is blamed for the disaster of a season, despite hardly playing and the team stinking down the stretch last season.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

The Jets starting QB just got benched. Do you even understand how locker rooms work? There are going to be some people in that locker room, maybe even Sanchez himself, who would want to talk down Tebow because they believe Sanchez should be starting.

Or maybe the Jets themselves wanted it out there because from a PR standpoint starting McElroy over Tebow was a little bemusing given that Tebow had been the #2 QB all year and had gotten an undue amount of attention.

I mean it's almost too obvious as to why this news would come out and hardly any of it is for 'no reason'.

The Jets locker room has been out of control for a while now.



Who is? I don't worship Tebow.

But he is a guy who has generally done the right thing in an abysmal situation all season long. Now all of the sudden the leakiest locker room in the NFL vomits up some sources saying he did something negative and Tebow haters latch onto them because for some reason they need Tebow to **** up.

Tebow straight up said it wasn't true and until someone else with a face and a name counters him believing in the sources over Tebow is just believing what is convenient to your own biases.

Absolutely spot on.

Believing uncritically in unattributed 3rd party hearsay quoted by so-called sports "journalists" known to have agendas allegedly sourced from of all places the Jets contentious locker room is insanity.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

The Jets starting QB just got benched. Do you even understand how locker rooms work? There are going to be some people in that locker room, maybe even Sanchez himself, who would want to talk down Tebow because they believe Sanchez should be starting.

Or maybe the Jets themselves wanted it out there because from a PR standpoint starting McElroy over Tebow was a little bemusing given that Tebow had been the #2 QB all year and had gotten an undue amount of attention.

I mean it's almost too obvious as to why this news would come out and hardly any of it is for 'no reason'.

The Jets locker room has been out of control for a while now.

Your tin foil hat might be attached a little too tight, that sounds like complete paranoia. It sounds like you're talking about the HS cheerleader squad more than an NFL team. Have you ever considered that maybe Timmy just isn't as good as he thinks he is and said something he shouldn't have?

Being the locker room expert that you are, do you really think this gets played out in public. Clearly something happened, Tebow sounded very guarded with carefully placed words that made him sound like he wasn't admitting or denying anything at first. Ryan then made his own ambiguous statement that sounded like he was protecting Tebow more than anything. Only then did Tebow come out and deny it.

If nothing happened than why would Tebow, in his own words go to Ryan and say, "And then Friday I went up to him again and reiterated the fact that I would do anything for this team." Do you think he's going to make that statement for no reason?

 

[fnordcircle]

Your tin foil hat might be attached a little too tight, that sounds like complete paranoia.

Yeah, on second thought you're right.

It's not like the Jets

'He's terrible': New York Jets players rip Tim Tebow

would ever speak out anonymously or openly in order to rip a teammate to the media.

There's no evidence that the Jets players ever do that.

You're grasping at straws because it's more convenient for you to believe what you want to believe, despite the fact that it is unsourced and has been openly refuted by the guy it was directed at.

If nothing happened than why would Tebow, in his own words go to Ryan and say, "And then Friday I went up to him again and reiterated the fact that I would do anything for this team." Do you think he's going to make that statement for no reason?

It's like you didn't even read what happened. He says went to Rex to say he was upset about being passed over but that he would do whatever the team asked. There was a reason: he was pissed off.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

The bigots wanted an excuse to bash Tebow. The story being true or false is irrelevant to them. The same thing has gone on over on the Jets boards, where Tebow is blamed for the disaster of a season, despite hardly playing and the team stinking down the stretch last season.

You might want to sit this discussion out if you can't do it without the name calling. Calling anyone who disagrees with you on this subject a bigot means:

1) You're incapable of contributing to the discussion on its own merits and

2) You might be a little too heavily invested in this on another level, perhaps it's the religious aspect, I don't know, but you're acting exactly like what you accuse the "bigots" of which is that of an intolerant person, somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity who refuses to accept different views.

 

[ausbacker]

The bigots wanted an excuse to bash Tebow. The story being true or false is irrelevant to them. The same thing has gone on over on the Jets boards, where Tebow is blamed for the disaster of a season, despite hardly playing and the team stinking down the stretch last season.

Will you piss off with this bigot talk you sycophant.

I've read plenty of opinions that haven't touched Tebow outside of his limitations as a QB.

 

[Deus Irae]

You might want to sit this discussion out if you can't do it without the name calling. Calling anyone who disagrees with you on this subject a bigot means:

1) You're incapable of contributing to the discussion on its own merits and

2) You might be a little too heavily invested in this on another level, perhaps it's the religious aspect, I don't know, but you're acting exactly like what you accuse the "bigots" of which is that of an intolerant person, somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity who refuses to accept different views.

Sorry, but it doesn't mean either. I've discussed Tebow on his merits on multiple occasions, and I actually find it incredibly amusing to read the bigots as they pretend their issues aren't what they really are. I'm certainly not "too heavily invested", since I'm not a baptist, not a Tebow follower, and not a Florida fan. What's funny is that you, and Ausbacker, are attempting the classic redirect, where you know your position is garbage so you try turning it around on those pointing it out.

Reading the Tebow threads is basically a psychological gold mine for me, as I get to watch the grade a bull that the anti-Tebow bigots spew.

 

[ausbacker]

Sorry, but it doesn't mean either. I've discussed Tebow on his merits on multiple occasions, and I actually find it incredibly amusing to read the bigots as they pretend their issues aren't what they really are. I'm certainly not "too heavily invested", since I'm not a baptist, not a Tebow follower, and not a Florida fan. What's funny is that you, and Ausbacker, are attempting the classic redirect, where you know your position is garbage so you try turning it around on those pointing it out.

Reading the Tebow threads is basically a psychological gold mine for me, as I get to watch the grade a bull that the anti-Tebow bigots spew.

I'm not redirecting. You're typing out bull**** and being called for it. The issue is you have your head so far up your behind you refuse to accept that you may actually be wrong because in this magical land you live in, everything you forward must be correct.

You haven't taken the time to read the thread properly. There's plenty of posts that address Tim Tebow the QB. You're clearly not smart enough to accept that so move on.

The guy has a 47.9% completion rate in designated run first offenses. I don't need to see anything else to know what that leads to long term.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Yeah, on second thought you're right.

It's not like the Jets would ever speak out anonymously or openly in order to rip a teammate to the media.
'He's terrible': New York Jets players rip Tim Tebow
There's no evidence that the Jets players ever do that

You're grasping at straws because it's more convenient for you to believe what you want to believe, despite the fact that it is unsourced and has been openly refuted by the guy it was directed at.

And so what, anonymous or not, it doesn't mean it's untrue. Don't expect Rex Ryan to come out and tell the truth either. He's the ultimate players coach and you don't get that way by airing your dirty laundry in public. If this happened in NE do you think BB would tell it to the press?

However starting guard Matt Slauson did have this to say in the article you linked to and there was nothing anonymous about it, "It's not even close, all the other quarterbacks know it. I have all the confidence in Mark. We don't really have a choice. We have Greg (McElroy, the team's third-string quarterback) ... and we have an athlete."

That quote may help to explain the disconnect between Tebow, his legion of fans and reality. That it is evident to people on the team that he is not a viable option at QB whereas Tebow obviously believes something different.

So we have members of the team sharing their opinions of Tebow's ability to play QB. We have an acknowledgement by all parties that something was said by Tebow upon learning he wouldn't be starting, that he was taken out of the wildcat packages and replaced by Kerley, we then have a denial from Tebow that took a whole week to occur and I'm the one grasping at straws?

It's like you didn't even read what happened. He says went to Rex to say he was upset about being passed over but that he would do whatever the team asked. There was a reason: he was pissed off.

He said exactly what I said he did. It was a quote.

 

[Gumby]

You might want to sit this discussion out if you can't do it without the name calling. Calling anyone who disagrees with you on this subject a bigot means:

1) You're incapable of contributing to the discussion on its own merits and

2) You might be a little too heavily invested in this on another level, perhaps it's the religious aspect, I don't know, but you're acting exactly like what you accuse the "bigots" of which is that of an intolerant person, somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity who refuses to accept different views.

1. I would have to check 100s of posts; but I dont believe Deus has ever assigned that attribution to any SPECIFIC poster; but rather talked about all the folks who dont like Tebow in a general sense. So you accusing him of 'namecalling' is inappropriate in my book.

(unless of course you are feeling his general accusation hit a little too close to home in your case - but then I suggest you man up, come out of the closet, and be a proud bigot, instead of trying to shut the counter argumenter down)

I can't stand anybody on this board trying to define which opinions are allowed to be voiced which not. So you lost me at the beginning there.


2. Anyone who can't admit that the anti-religous groupies have set Tebow up as a target upon which they are just waiting for him to fail in some way so they can say 'I told you so' is kidding themselves.

Deus is one who has generally defended Tebow on solid FOOTBALL GROUNDS backed at least sometimes by stats and facts.

 

[Fencer]

There isn't really much disagreement on the facts.

Core rumor: Tebow told the coaches (turns out to be Ryan) that he didn't want to play Wildcat.

Nastier rumor: Replace "didn't want" by "refused".

Tebow's version: Tebow told the coaches he was pissed off, and said things that could easily have been misunderstood to mean he didn't want to play Wildcat.

Tebow's version makes neither him nor Ryan look good ... and isn't that far from the core rumor.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm not redirecting. You're typing out bull**** and being called for it. The issue is you have your head so far up your behind you refuse to accept that you may actually be wrong because in this magical land you live in, everything you forward must be correct.

You haven't taken the time to read the thread properly. There's plenty of posts that address Tim Tebow the QB. You're clearly not smart enough to accept that so move on.

The guy has a 47.9% completion rate in designated run first offenses. I don't need to see anything else to know what that leads to long term.

No, you're redirecting, and comically so. Not content to go with sychophant, you've now upped the ante with the name calling, and the fact that you're now trying the "You're clearly not smart enough" gambit, when we both know that to be a lie since acceptance of your claim doesn't rest on intelligence, is just pathetic on your part. The reality is that you've gone after Tebow on thread after thread, and it's not because of his QB play.

 

[Gumby]

There isn't really much disagreement on the facts.

Core rumor: does NOT= Fact .....

Nastier rumor: does NOT= Fact.

Tebow's version does NOT= Fact: Tebow .....

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uhhhh, excuse me Mr. Fencer....... Which FACTS are those?

 

[ausbacker]

No, you're redirecting, and comically so. It's getting more amusing by the post. Not content to go with sychophant, you've now upped the ante with the name calling, and the fact that you try the "You're clearly not smart enough" tact is just pathetic. The reality is that you've gone after Tebow on thread after thread, and it's not because of his QB play.

No, you're simply not smart enough if all you can do is draw back discussions about Tim Tebow describing anyone who disagrees with you as a bigot. I will give you that you're certainly full of self importance hiding behind carefully picked statistics to support your opinion.

Pathetic is collectively grouping a bunch of people who have discussed Tebow on merit as a bunch of bigots because they hold a different position to yours. Then again, that's generally your way of doing business. Call everyone something who disagrees with you then hit back as an aggrieved party when demonstrated so.

Countless times I've proposed that I admire Tim Tebow the footballer. Hell, if he could even raise his completion percentage to 55-60% I'd be a supporter of Tim Tebow the QB because he competes and he competes damn hard. This has been put forward many, many times. You refuse to accept this.

I'm not buying the Jets company line nor Tebow's on this instance because the guy has shown he's a competitor. I'm inclined to think that this issue did take place in some way shape or form because I'd probably react in a similar fashion if I was passed over for 3rd stringer Greg McElroy. Do I sympathise with someone who wants to play? You bet I do. Do I sympathise with someone carrying the myriad of mechanical flaws put into a position to fail with an Offense not designed to make the best of his skill set? Not so much.

So please Deus, tell me what I am thinking again because you clearly know my position better than I do.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

1. I would have to check 100s of posts; but I dont believe Deus has ever assigned that attribution to any SPECIFIC poster; but rather talked about all the folks who dont like Tebow in a general sense. So you accusing him of 'namecalling' is inappropriate in my book.

(unless of course you are feeling his general accusation hit a little too close to home in your case - but then I suggest you man up, come out of the closet, and be a proud bigot, instead of trying to shut the counter argumenter down)

I can't stand anybody on this board trying to define which opinions are allowed to be voiced which not. So you lost me at the beginning there.


2. Anyone who can't admit that the anti-religous groupies have set Tebow up as a target upon which they are just waiting for him to fail in some way so they can say 'I told you so' is kidding themselves.

Deus is one who has generally defended Tebow on solid FOOTBALL GROUNDS backed at least sometimes by stats and facts.

Worthless post.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Worthless post.

Arguably the whole thread is "worthless" since it is entirely predicated on the very dubious "unnamed source".
With that in mind there is one first hand account in the public domain, Tebow's. Opposing that is an unnamed source(s). No contest, in the absence of someone going on the record Tebow's account is the only account that has any significant weight. However, you choose to disregard the obvious fair grounds of that (referring to an earlier post from you). It is with that in mind that one would conclude you are motivated by something other than dry logic about Tebow's QB play. A dislike of Tebow because he received A LOT of positive attention that was based on his religious belief and otherwise shaky QB play? Possibly. One thing is for certain, your motivations are suspect when you cannot accept his version when the opposing version is an unnamed source.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Arguably the whole thread is "worthless" since it is entirely predicated on the very dubious "unnamed source".
With that in mind there is one first hand account in the public domain, Tebow's. Opposing that is an unnamed source(s). No contest, in the absence of someone going on the record Tebow's account is the only account that has any significant weight. However, you choose to disregard the obvious fair grounds of that (referring to an earlier post from you). It is with that in mind that one would conclude you are motivated by something other than dry logic about Tebow's QB play. A dislike of Tebow because he received A LOT of positive attention that was based on his religious belief and otherwise shaky QB play? Possibly. One thing is for certain, your motivations are suspect when you cannot accept his version when the opposing version is an unnamed source.

What you have is Tebow trying to be his own PR department and doing a bad job of it. What we have is a story with two sides to it, and we have a result, which is Tebow off the wildcat. You're all being incredibly naive and protective of him. All this bigot talk and you "hate him because of his religion" is really getting tired and played out.

Try to remember all this fuss is for a QB with a 47.9 career completion percentage. Also try to remember the hypocrisy of his supporters claiming the other side is judging him based on religion or public persona. You all sound like you're in a cult.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

What you have is Tebow trying to be his own PR department and doing a bad job of it. What we have is a story with two sides to it, and we have a result, which is Tebow off the wildcat. You're all being incredibly naive and protective of him. All this bigot talk and you "hate him because of his religion" is really getting tired and played out.

Try to remember all this fuss is for a QB with a 47.9 career completion percentage. Also try to remember the hypocrisy of his supporters claiming the other side is judging him based on religion or public persona. You all sound like you're in a cult.

No, that is not correct. We have Tebow's account.....that is all we have. An "unnamed source" is not a side to a story. It's hearsay. Hey, I read in another blog that ArmChair QB is part of a terrorist group. So now you go ahead and deny it. Is there now two sides to the story? No, there is your statement on the record and there is hearsay.....something completely unsubstantiated, something without any tangential basis, something without any way to contradict the veracity or motivations of the source, something that anyone can make up for entertainment purposes (a la the Internet). It is the WORST form of "side to a story" there is.
You don't like Tebow? Fine. It's the basis of sports fan-dom to have likes and dislikes. But, again, when you take an 'unnamed source' and use it in a substantive way, you are doing so because you have an axe to grind. It can't possibly be because you are just weighing the sides to the story-"unnamed sources" don't allow for that.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

There isn't really much disagreement on the facts.

Core rumor: Tebow told the coaches (turns out to be Ryan) that he didn't want to play Wildcat.

Nastier rumor: Replace "didn't want" by "refused".

Tebow's version: Tebow told the coaches he was pissed off, and said things that could easily have been misunderstood to mean he didn't want to play Wildcat.

Tebow's version makes neither him nor Ryan look good ... and isn't that far from the core rumor.

Tebow tells Ryan he wants to be a starting QB not a Wildcat specialist.
Next day in practice Ryan pulls Tebow is off the Wildcat squad.
Seeing that he was removed from the Wildcat grouping Tebow meets with Ryan again to clarify his remarks to Ryan.

(IF TEBOW BEGGED OFF THE WILDCAT ONE DAY THEN WHY DID HE NEED TO MEET WITH RYAN THE VERY NEXT DAY TO CLARIFY REMARKS IF HE GOT HIS WISH (according to the unnamed source) AND WAS TAKEN OFF THE WILDCAT??? The leak doesn't add up and it's why I believe Tebow.)

Ryan then has someone leak to the media that Tebow has begged off Wildcat duty.
When asked about it by media Ryan refuses to clarify the situation.
Tebow is viciously attacked by Merrill Hoge and NY writer Schwarty and is called a phony and a quitter.
Ryan continues to let his player spin in the wind.
After the backup QB of the NY Jets heard and read the venom being spewed at him he spoke to the media and gave his side of the story.
Only then, after days of the media firestorm and vile personal attacks thrown at NY Jet player did the head coach of the NY Jets tell the world that Tim Tebow would have done anything he was asked to do by the very same Rex Ryan.

Rex Ryan has never looked so small. The word petty doesn't even begin to tell the story here.