Randy Moss unretired (merged)

[West Philly Patriot]

That is according to Chris Carter, but that assertion was never confirmed by anyone.

I don't think that's true. There was talk that the Eagles also reached out with a 1 year deal. It's pretty widely accepted that Randy wanted a multi year deal and no one wanted to commit to that, so he took his ball and went home.

You think the rams, 49'ers, broncos, seahawks, jaguars, patriots, eagles or jets and a host of other teams with a need at WR wouldn't have thrown a 1 year deal at randy for the 2011 season had he been open to that? In fact, a few did.

 

[blackglass3]

I thought the Saints also called him last year and he respectfully told them to get lost?

Regardless, just his burn on Cris Carter on Twitter is enough for me to want him on the team.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

I admit I was never a big fan of Moss, but you are too far the other way. Physical talent was an issue. He just couldn't fight for balls like he used to. In 2007, even if he was triple covered, he would come down with the ball more often than not. In 2010, if he was in tight single coverage, there was little chance he would come down with the ball. He declined quite a bit. Cromartie beat him like a rented mule in that Jets' game and I didn't think Cromartie had good coverage on a lot of plays.

Throwing into triple coverage is never a good decision, and to expect anyone to do that routinely is asking too much. Moss erased mistakes with brady's deep ball imo. He hasn't thrown that pass consistently well since. Granted he hasn't had a great deep threat but when guys do get open he doesn't throw it as well and hit them in stride deep down the field. Moss was amazing at adjusting to balls on the fly. We all know Moss' mental state has a huge effect on his physical ability. Wherever he is mentally that's where he is physically. I believe whole heartedly that he can run a sub 4.5 40 right now, why would I not? Because you saw an unhappy Randy Moss going through the motions? We've seen this movie before. Even @ 35 Randy Moss playing to his potential minus a few steps is better than any receiver on our roster not named Wes Welker.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Randy's none too happy with Chris Carter saying he has a problem with quitting:

Carter’s criticism struck a nerve with Moss, who took to Twitter to say to Carter “its sad how u stroked ur own ego when u were suppose to b my mentor! then u wonder why karma bites u in the ass! #goodlukwithhof”

On Moss, Cris Carter says teams should worry about “that thing called quit” | ProFootballTalk

Way to Go Randy ! Flip that ****bag Christine Carter. That is funny as hell reading CC getting *****slapped by Moss.

SIGN THE BEAST ! Seems like he has that fire now to prove everyone wrong - that he's not done.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Throwing into triple coverage is never a good decision, and to expect anyone to do that routinely is asking too much. Moss erased mistakes with brady's deep ball imo. He hasn't thrown that pass consistently well since. Granted he hasn't had a great deep threat but when guys do get open he doesn't throw it as well and hit them in stride deep down the field. Moss was amazing at adjusting to balls on the fly. We all know Moss' mental state has a huge effect on his physical ability. Wherever he is mentally that's where he is physically. I believe whole heartedly that he can run a sub 4.5 40 right now, why would I not? Because you saw an unhappy Randy Moss going through the motions? We've seen this movie before. Even @ 35 Randy Moss playing to his potential minus a few steps is better than any receiver on our roster not named Wes Welker.

You do mean excluding our TE "receivers" like Gronk and AH. I agree if talking about WR.

As for Randy, the realization of how good he had it in NE only came after he was let go bt Pats and floundered in Minn and Tenn. Nothing wrong with giving him a second chance in NE - can't be any worse than Slater, Underwood & Johnson & Branch all pro lineup. Heck even if lined up the opposing D's WILL have to respect him, and that should create more open lanes for Gronk, Welk, AH

We've given plenty malcontents opportunities...Dillon, Haynesworth, Stinko, or brought back players we let go earlier, ie TBC, Branch

 

[Raymond]

SIGN THE BEAST ! Seems like he has that fire now to prove everyone wrong - that he's not done.

Wait, was it like the fire he had 15 months ago when he wrapped up his career catching 6 balls for 80 yards in 8 games for the Titans?

That kind of fire?

 

[Keyser Söze]

It still blows my mind that anyone can dislike this guy after all he has done for the team. His last full season with us he had over 1200 yards and 13 TDs, and in 2010 he was on pace for ~600 yards and 12 TDs despite the fact that Brady had stopped looking in his direction. I don't think physical talent was ever the issue, and assuming he hasn't only sat on his couch for the past year I think he still has the capability to give us a couple 1000 yard seasons. Jerry Rice was doing it at age 38.

The only issue was his attitude, and even then I don't think he meant harm. He was just a guy that had some obvious insecurities, but I have no to reason to believe he hasn't realized how good he had it here by now. Will he get signed? Who knows, probably not, but I'd welcome him back with open arms.

Oh stop with that garbage, he's been a cancer everywhere he's been. Took a little longer for it to come out in NE because Brady/BB had to stroke his ego constantly to keep him from quitting.

 

[Rob0729]

Throwing into triple coverage is never a good decision, and to expect anyone to do that routinely is asking too much. Moss erased mistakes with brady's deep ball imo. He hasn't thrown that pass consistently well since. Granted he hasn't had a great deep threat but when guys do get open he doesn't throw it as well and hit them in stride deep down the field. Moss was amazing at adjusting to balls on the fly. We all know Moss' mental state has a huge effect on his physical ability. Wherever he is mentally that's where he is physically. I believe whole heartedly that he can run a sub 4.5 40 right now, why would I not? Because you saw an unhappy Randy Moss going through the motions? We've seen this movie before. Even @ 35 Randy Moss playing to his potential minus a few steps is better than any receiver on our roster not named Wes Welker.

Moss better than any WR on the Pats' roster not Welker? So is Plaxico Burress and I don't want him either. Again, there are a dozen, possibly more, free agent WRs who give the Pats' more than Moss. Moss at this point is probably a 5-10 play a game type of player and the Pats rarely carry a guy like that unless he plays special teams.

People are in love with the past Randy Moss. He isn't that anymore. Rarely if ever does a deep threat WR ever play remotely well at 35. Even Jerry Rice, who was never really a deep threat WR, had to change his game and become a possession WR in his mid to late 30s to stay on. Moss is done. I would be surprised if he lasts on any team's final cut in the preseason.

Personally, I would not be happy for the Pats to waste a roster spot on him in hopes that he might be a #3 WR when this free agency is really deep with WR at all levels.

 

[BB4PRez]

If Moss really had that kind of speed (4.35 40 ? - I am skeptical) and was willing to take a reasonable short term contract and was willing to accept the fact that he would not be the primary focus of the offense, I would be OK with the signing.

Moss is very smart player, but in my opinion unstable. Even with all my caveats hiring the guy is a risk. But what the heck, Bellicheck will have him hit the road if it does not turn out.

 

[Sivy]

IF a player doesnt leave on 100% good terms, is there any chance BB takes him back?


*COUGH, BRANCH, COUGH COUGH*

 

[Sydney]

I admit I was never a big fan of Moss, but you are too far the other way. Physical talent was an issue. He just couldn't fight for balls like he used to. In 2007, even if he was triple covered, he would come down with the ball more often than not. In 2010, if he was in tight single coverage, there was little chance he would come down with the ball. He declined quite a bit. Cromartie beat him like a rented mule in that Jets' game and I didn't think Cromartie had good coverage on a lot of plays.

I agree with you that that was what happened on the field but I saw it as a lack of effort, not a lack of ability. I'm pretty sure he was dealing with a separated shoulder as well, which should be healed up now.

 

[Sivy]

I agree with you that that was what happened on the field but I saw it as a lack of effort, not a lack of ability. I'm pretty sure he was dealing with a separated shoulder as well, which should be healed up now.

Also, many reports of him having huge ice packs on each knee often. Should also be healed by now.

Healthy Moss = come back player of the year 2012.

 

[Rob0729]

I agree with you that that was what happened on the field but I saw it as a lack of effort, not a lack of ability. I'm pretty sure he was dealing with a separated shoulder as well, which should be healed up now.

The guy was playing for a contract. He even changed agents to cash in. If that wasn't enough to motivate him, then what will coming back and playing for the league minimum at age 35 do for his effort. Do you really think someone is going to give him a huge contract in 2013 if he plays well next year at age 36?

If Moss played well in 2010, he might have gotten a three year deal with a multimillion dollar signing bonus for at least above average WR money. If he plays well in 2012, he is probably looking at another one year deal that will be slightly higher than the league minimum he will get in 2012. And people think he will be more motivated to play.

 

[Rob0729]

Also, many reports of him having huge ice packs on each knee often. Should also be healed by now.

Healthy Moss = come back player of the year 2012.

The best Moss could be at age 35 is decent surprise. Comeback player of the year? Seriously? People are kidding themselves. If he can be a good specialist catching 3 or so balls a game, the team that signed him got a steal.

 

[Ring 6]

Eagles don't surprise me at all. They were on his short list of possible destinations when he initially became a FA in 08. They were also one of the teams that offered a 1 year deal along with the patriots prior to his retirement.

Do you have anything to back up that the Patriots (or Eagles) offered Moss a contract? I do not believe it happened.

 

[Rob0729]

Do you have anything to back up that the Patriots (or Eagles) offered Moss a contract? I do not believe it happened.

Yeah, if the Patriots offered Moss any type of deal, he would have jumped at it. The guy has done everything over the last year other than camp in Belichick's parking space to petition them to re-sign him. If the Pats offered Moss a ball boy position last year, he would have probably accepted it without even thinking it through.

I just don't buy the rumors that the Pats offered Moss anything. It was probably just his agent trying to generate interest in Moss.

 

[PatsFan24]

Yeah, if the Patriots offered Moss any type of deal, he would have jumped at it. The guy has done everything over the last year other than camp in Belichick's parking space to petition them to re-sign him. If the Pats offered Moss a ball boy position last year, he would have probably accepted it without even thinking it through.

I just don't buy the rumors that the Pats offered Moss anything. It was probably just his agent trying to generate interest in Moss.

Wouldn't it be unethical to say he was offered a deal if he never was? And since someone is bound to respond with "LOL agents don't have ethics moron ROFL" then wouldn't there be some kind of fine for the agent if it was shown that they were making it up?

 

[Rob0729]

Wouldn't it be unethical to say he was offered a deal if he never was? And since someone is bound to respond with "LOL agents don't have ethics moron ROFL" then wouldn't there be some kind of fine for the agent if it was shown that they were making it up?

Moss never said the Pats offered him a contract. "Sources" said that the Pats offered him a contract. "Sources" are often BS whether it is the agent spreading lies to generate interest in their client or someone hearing bad info or a reporter embellishing.

 

[PatsFan24]

Moss never said the Pats offered him a contract. "Sources" said that the Pats offered him a contract. "Sources" are often BS whether it is the agent spreading lies to generate interest in their client or someone hearing bad info or a reporter embellishing.

Didn't answer the question. What is the penalty (if any) if an agent makes false claims about a player being offered a contract?

 

[West Philly Patriot]

Do you have anything to back up that the Patriots (or Eagles) offered Moss a contract? I do not believe it happened.

Nothing concrete honestly, but there usually isn't when it comes to patriot rumors. People thought we had interest in ocho prior but they were rumors until it happened. Andy Reid is a lot like BB in that regard as well, he hates talking to the media.

I just believe where there is smoke there is fire. When moss left initially it wasn't because of the pats not wanting him it was because he was giving signs that he was going to implode with the contract thing and the obvious issues with BOB.