Progress of Mallett?

[NEP4Life]

let him learn from one of the best Brady while he sits on the bench for 3-4years.

In the NFL, QB apprenticeship/mentoring is typically a fan-media creation. The last thing the starter wants is to help the guy who's going to cost him his job.

Realistically, Brady would be threatened by a physically bigger, stronger QB who was also anointed his successor. He would have the kid shipped out of town, or the Pats would have to dump Brady.

Quarterbacks have huge egos, and successions seldom occur without ill will and animosity.

 

[everlong]

We should strike while the iron is hot and trade him to the current AFC 10th seed who are in bad need of a starter only now realizing their 5th overall selection from three years ago is a complete bust. Revis and a first should get it done.

 

[Uncle Rico]

We should strike while the iron is hot and trade him to the current AFC 10th seed who are in bad need of a starter only now realizing their 5th overall selection from three years ago is a complete bust. Revis and a first should get it done.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Disagree on your disagreement for a couple of reasons. First, Mallet and O'Connell are attempts to minimize the probability that the Patriots pull a Colts if Brady goes down for a season or a career. I think a draft pick (mid to late 3rd rounder) that has a historic 30% to 40% of producing a quality NFL player by Year 3 of their career is reasonable insurance, especially when the players picked are physically talented but had other flags.

Secondly, as we have seen mid to late 3rd rounders are not guaranteed to get on the field (for any team) and/or perform at a high level, especially as a rookie [see Price, see Tate, see Vereen, see most 3rd rounders drafted this year... ] Picking a safety at #73 does not guarantee a first year starter (the only 3rd safety drafted after Mallet is a spot player. Picking a CB at #73 is meh, as the 6 CBs drafted in the 3rd round after Mallet aren't setting the world on fire this year either.

We had Cassell

We have Hoyer

This team was prepared if TFB goes down

Were we to have drafted adequate backups not even starters in the top 80 college players say at safety we'd have avoided the fiasco that is our backfield. Do fans really think that defending Sanchez is even on the same planet as defending most post season QBs? NFW.

Not looking to set the world on fire but to fill in when injuries occur. We're down to Brown as a fill in. Totally, demonstrably inadequate as an NFL safety.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

We had Cassell

We have Hoyer

This team was prepared if TFB goes down

Were we to have drafted adequate backups not even starters in the top 80 college players say at safety we'd have avoided the fiasco that is our backfield. Do fans really think that defending Sanchez is even on the same planet as defending most post season QBs? NFW.

Not looking to set the world on fire but to fill in when injuries occur. We're down to Brown as a fill in. Totally, demonstrably inadequate as an NFL safety.

(1) Yes, the Pats deserve criticism for not handling the secondary better.
(2) That notwithstanding, I cannot criticize BB for taking a QB that essentially everyone felt had first-round talent in the third round.

 

[Uncle Rico]

(1) Yes, the Pats deserve criticism for not handling the secondary better.
(2) That notwithstanding, I cannot criticize BB for taking a QB that essentially everyone felt had first-round talent in the third round.

It'll be fun to see if the frenzy over Luck next year leads to some team losing out on him then overpaying for Mallett.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

(1) Yes, the Pats deserve criticism for not handling the secondary better.
(2) That notwithstanding, I cannot criticize BB for taking a QB that essentially everyone felt had first-round talent in the third round.

I'm no expert on college players but I didn't think Kevin O'Connell was that well regarded

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I'm no expert on college players but I didn't think Kevin O'Connell was that well regarded

No one said that. The Patriots had him with a first-round grade, allegedly, but you didn't have the near-unanimous opinion that he was the best QB in the draft; nearly every draftnik out there said Mallett had the best arm.

 

[TheSolderKing]

Progress report on Mallett:

He is progressing enough that Belichick is willing to keep a roster spot open for him and pay his salary (unlike Haynesworth)

He is not progressing enough for BB to bench Brady and have Mallett play instead.

you mean the same coach that said after the draft regarding his players and unsure of where vthey will fit "I think Mallett will try out for QB, but everyone else I am not sure". paraphrased it NOT BB's exact words

 

[Dessalines]

Hoyer is proven as what? Please explain. Thanks.

I like Hoyer. No he hasn't gotten on the field much but then there is that matter of the future Hall Of Fame Q.B. playing in front of him. He's got talent and its been on display in the pre-seasons he's gone through. I'd trust him if Brady went down. I am certain that when he leaves the PATS as will certainly happen, he will start for someone else.

Hell, he's a damn sight better than Sanchez, the Dolt's Q.B. and whoever is now throwing in Miami. Ease up....

 

[supafly]

I'm no expert on college players but I didn't think Kevin O'Connell was that well regarded

I agree that KOC was a horrible pick, Wicked. But I don't think we should compare the 2 third round QB picks, to be honest. That was then, this is now. I think it was too good of a chance thing that Mallett slid down so far, if we all remember, many had Miami taking him at #15 overall.

As far as the secondary goes, I agree that is was handled poorly, but I don't think that anyone had that feeling or inclination of what was to happen at draft time.

As we all know, we could just the same pick apart the Vereen pick in round #3, or even the Dowling pick at a high #2, I don't know if I'd necessarily pick apart the Mallett pick. I think they are too far away in comparison, as the heavy consensus in that he was just too talented and too good of a pick to pass up.

I do agree with your questioning of the draft, on a much more minor level though.

 

[Deus Irae]

No one said that. The Patriots had him with a first-round grade, allegedly, but you didn't have the near-unanimous opinion that he was the best QB in the draft; nearly every draftnik out there said Mallett had the best arm.

Nearly everyone out there knew that Newton was the best QB in the draft. The only question was whether or not his skills would translate to the NFL. Mallet was known as a head case who can't handle pressure, and who might be into the nose candy. That's why he fell all the way to the 3rd round in a year where teams were desperate for quarterbacks.

 

[supafly]

We had Cassell

I know that it's been talked of before, but I just don't understand why they didn't try to approach him after several games with a nice raise up to approx. 2 million dollars or something in that ballpark. Instead, they waited until he had established himself, and by then it was too late, for many different reasons involving both parties.

I suppose that it could be argued that 2 million or so (which would have been a hefty raise for Cassell to stay as a backup) would just be too much money tied up for one position. Then again, how much/what percent of the cap is tied up now with three QB's?

I see the same exact situation playing out right now with Welker. He could have been signed early on for something much less significant than he will now cost the team/ask for. It is my opinion that it should've been handled earlier, but then again, I am not a GM.

I do question why they tend to wait so long, when they are seeing the player perform at a very high level early on in the year. I guess every case/scenario is different though.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I agree that KOC was a horrible pick, Wicked. But I don't think we should compare the 2 third round QB picks, to be honest. That was then, this is now. I think it was too good of a chance thing that Mallett slid down so far, if we all remember, many had Miami taking him at #15 overall.

As far as the secondary goes, I agree that is was handled poorly, but I don't think that anyone had that feeling or inclination of what was to happen at draft time.

As we all know, we could just the same pick apart the Vereen pick in round #3, or even the Dowling pick at a high #2, I don't know if I'd necessarily pick apart the Mallett pick. I think they are too far away in comparison, as the heavy consensus in that he was just too talented and too good of a pick to pass up.

I do agree with your questioning of the draft, on a much more minor level though.

I agree with the bold. I was trying to be funny in my response by "confusing" O'Connell with Mallett.

Folks have made rational cases for the Mallett pick. It's just that in my opinion, this team had depth holes that could have been addressed by selecting one of the 80 best players in the country in a position of need. I see it as arrogance that this team which has struggled for years on defense and not managed to compete at a high level (playoffs) acts as if there are not areas needing improvement or better depth when the inevitable injuries occur.

 

[supafly]

Nearly everyone out there knew that Newton was the best QB in the draft. The only question was whether or not his skills would translate to the NFL. Mallet was known as a head case who can't handle pressure, and who might be into the nose candy. That's why he fell all the way to the 3rd round in a year where teams were desperate for quarterbacks.

All good points, Deus. But I believe he is referring to just the raw skills aspect of Mallett. If I recall, I believe there was a high majority that felt he was indeed one of the top arms over current guys such as Ponder, Gabbert, Dalton etc.

The head case/drug rumors are what made him slide down, as you said. I don't think there was much questioning of his skill set.

I think many thought that he was one of the most talented, and NFL ready QB's, especially considering that Arkansas used a pro-style offense.

It all came down to taking a chance on his off-field issues, and apparently Belichick felt as though he would take a gamble and try and put him in a good environment.

Only time will tell, I guess.

 

[Deus Irae]

All good points, Deus. But I believe he is referring to just the raw skills aspect of Mallett. If I recall, I believe there was a high majority that felt he was indeed one of the top arms over current guys such as Ponder, Gabbert, Dalton etc.

The head case/drug rumors are what made him slide down, as you said. I don't think there was much questioning of his skill set.

I think many thought that he was one of the most talented, and NFL ready QB's, especially considering that Arkansas used a pro-style offense.

It all came down to taking a chance on his off-field issues, and apparently Belichick felt as though he would take a gamble and try and put him in a good environment.

Only time will tell, I guess.

I didn't like the pick, and I've posted on it many times, so I don't want to derail the thread by going over that again. If Mallet can improve, that will help the Patriots, so I'm all for the kid becoming a starting quality NFL quarterback.

My post here was just a response to the other poster's notion about the pre-draft opinions on Mallet.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Let me apologize to SolderKing et. al. if my whining about woulda, coulda. shoulda in the draft is thread crapping and detracts from the interest in Mallett's progress which is the thread topic. I too wish the kid great success at his career, well as long as he's a Patriot.

 

[supafly]

I didn't like the pick, and I've posted on it many times, so I don't want to derail the thread by going over that again. If Mallet can improve, that will help the Patriots, so I'm all for the kid becoming a starting quality NFL quarterback.

My post here was just a response to the other poster's notion about the pre-draft opinions on Mallet.

There are certainly many reasons NOT to like the pick, no doubt. I can totally understand where that side of the group is coming from. There are positives and negatives, just like many of our draft picks/FA signings.

Like I said, only time itself will fully give us the final answer on whether or not it was the right move.

Apologies if it seemed like I butted in on your conversation, that was not the intent.

 

[TheSolderKing]

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[Deus Irae]

There are certainly many reasons NOT to like the pick, no doubt. I can totally understand where that side of the group is coming from. There are positives and negatives, just like many of our draft picks/FA signings.

Like I said, only time itself will fully give us the final answer on whether or not it was the right move.

Apologies if it seemed like I butted in on your conversation, that was not the intent.

No apologies necessary. I had absolutely no problem with your post.