Predictions for Bucs record and Brady's stats 2022

[sb1]

All of Montana's playoff losses as a Niner were to good teams with the exception of the 1987 Vikings. Specifically, the Niners lost to teams that either won the super bowl that year or would win the super bowl shortly thereafter. Brady lost to Denver in 2005, Baltimore in 2009, Jete in 2010, and Tennessee in 2019, four crappy teams, plus he lost to two crappy Giants teams in the Super Bowl.

Montana ratings in losses: 91 (to a team that got clocked in the Super Bowl), 65, 34, 42, 103 (but only 190 yards passing), 39 (the loss mentioned above), 102 (to the 94 Dolphins who I wouldn't put above any of the teams you mentioned that beat the Pats)

You also didn't mention that as a KC Chief he lost big to the Buffalo Bills - who then went on to lose just as big to the Cowboys in the Super Bowl.

His contributions to the 49ers first Super Bowl is also a little overblown - 14-22 157 yards passing and 1 TD is not exactly a dominating day.

As for the Pats Tenn wasn't crappy they knocked off the best team in the league and then gave the soon to be champs KC all they could handle. Wasn't Brady's fault that Derrick Henry ran all over them. The 2010 Jets also had the best defense in the league. If you wanna blame someone for that blame Bill's defense that let Mark Sanchez have himself a day, the 2005 Broncos were the #3 scoring defense in the NFL but the Pats defense couldn't handle Jake Plummer nuff said, AV also had a poor game and it wasn't Brady that allowed the 32nd ranked Giants run offense to run all over them. Brady of course had the lead in both those Super Bowls and the defense gave it away both times.

Montana, as I stated, destroys Brady in Super Bowl rating when it counts THE most. Also, Montana's overall playoff rating is 98 while Brady's is 95. And Montana did it in a much harder era for QBs. You see, Brady has benefitted from football inflation over the past 20 years. The game is much easier to play now.

Imagine if Brady played in Montana's era and got to keep a super team together like the 49ers were. Brady's era has much deeper rosters and much better competition across the league.

 

[gobesmug]

What's funny is Bill Belicheck is the LOAT, Luckiest of All Time. Dude becomes DC when he gets to have the GOAT Def player the game has ever scene. It's easy to make a game plan when you have LT.

Then he makes a crappy game plan as a DC against the Packers in the superbowl, sucks as a HC in Cleveland, takes a team Pete Carroll took to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years and only manages to win 5 games, until the GOAT takes over at QB.

Lol at all of Bill's cult following. GOAT HC my @$$, Ron Rivera was able to coach Cam Newton into an MVP season and superbowl appearance, Bill couldn't even get a winning record with him, then has Mac fall into his lap during the draft.

Just using the trolls logic

 

[gobesmug]

Montana ratings in losses: 91 (to a team that got clocked in the Super Bowl), 65, 34, 42, 103 (but only 190 yards passing), 39 (the loss mentioned above), 102 (to the 94 Dolphins who I wouldn't put above any of the teams you mentioned that beat the Pats)

You also didn't mention that as a KC Chief he lost big to the Buffalo Bills - who then went on to lose just as big to the Cowboys in the Super Bowl.

His contributions to the 49ers first Super Bowl is also a little overblown - 14-22 157 yards passing and 1 TD is not exactly a dominating day.

As for the Pats Tenn wasn't crappy they knocked off the best team in the league and then gave the soon to be champs KC all they could handle. Wasn't Brady's fault that Derrick Henry ran all over them. The 2010 Jets also had the best defense in the league. If you wanna blame someone for that blame Bill's defense that let Mark Sanchez have himself a day, the 2005 Broncos were the #3 scoring defense in the NFL but the Pats defense couldn't handle Jake Plummer nuff said, AV also had a poor game and it wasn't Brady that allowed the 32nd ranked Giants run offense to run all over them. Brady of course had the lead in both those Super Bowls and the defense gave it away both times.



Imagine if Brady played in Montana's era and got to keep a super team together like the 49ers were. Brady's era has much deeper rosters and much better competition across the league.

Imagine if Brady had Walsh as a HC? Walsh >>>>Belicheck. Walsh also managed to have a successor in place for Joe Montanta and he competently taught his coordinators to be successful NFL HCs, something Belicheck has never done.

 

[crawhammer]

What does Mac have to do with anything? You keep bringing him or Bill up when we are talking about Brady...why is that?

In context. You mentioned pick 6's so I felt it was worth noting Jones had 3. Brady never had more than 2 in one season. You need to develop thicker skin if you're going to be Mac's #1 fanboy. He's the franchise quarterback after Brady so comparisons will be made. As for Bill, he and Brady worked together for 20 seasons... So how is it that one wouldn't inevitably come up in a lengthy discussion about the other? You don't like it because of the lopsidedness of their achievements without the other.

 

[PatsWSB47]

What's funny is Bill Belicheck is the LOAT, Luckiest of All Time. Dude becomes DC when he gets to have the GOAT Def player the game has ever scene. It's easy to make a game plan when you have LT.

Then he makes a crappy game plan as a DC against the Packers in the superbowl, sucks as a HC in Cleveland, takes a team Pete Carroll took to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years and only manages to win 5 games, until the GOAT takes over at QB.

Lol at all of Bill's cult following. GOAT HC my @$$, Ron Rivera was able to coach Cam Newton into an MVP season and superbowl appearance, Bill couldn't even get a winning record with him, then has Mac fall into his lap during the draft.

Just using the trolls logic

The word logic and ignored member should never be used in the same sentence.

 

[gobesmug]

The word logic and ignored member should never be used in the same sentence.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Imagine if Brady played in Montana's era and got to keep a super team together like the 49ers were. Brady's era has much deeper rosters and much better competition across the league.

What super team? Look at the 1981 and 1984 49ers rosters and please tell me what weapons Montana had...in fact Montana's 1984 season when he went 18-1 is more impressive than any of Brady's seasons because he didn't have great talent around him on offense. Would have gone 19-0 if his kicker didn't miss vs Pitt. Brady had a better roster in 2007 and couldn't complete the deal.

In context. You mentioned pick 6's so I felt it was worth noting Jones had 3. Brady never had more than 2 in one season. You need to develop thicker skin if you're going to be Mac's #1 fanboy. He's the franchise quarterback after Brady so comparisons will be made. As for Bill, he and Brady worked together for 20 seasons... So how is it that one wouldn't inevitably come up in a lengthy discussion about the other? You don't like it because of the lopsidedness of their achievements without the other.

No one is making any claims about Mac, but continue to bring him up in every discussion because you get so sensitive...

Imagine if Brady had Walsh as a HC? Walsh >>>>Belicheck. Walsh also managed to have a successor in place for Joe Montanta and he competently taught his coordinators to be successful NFL HCs, something Belicheck has never done.

Another dumb comment. Belichick OWNED Bill Walsh. Not only that, Walsh wasn't very good without Montana (the same idiotic argument you make about Bill and Brady). It just seems like you're grasping for anything at this point. And if Bill were so bad, why did Tommy play like ASS against Bill's D? 22/43, 269 yards, 0 TDs.

What's funny is Bill Belicheck is the LOAT, Luckiest of All Time. Dude becomes DC when he gets to have the GOAT Def player the game has ever scene. It's easy to make a game plan when you have LT.

You fail to mention Belichick's top rated defenses as a Patriots HC...

Then he makes a crappy game plan as a DC against the Packers in the superbowl, sucks as a HC in Cleveland, takes a team Pete Carroll took to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years and only manages to win 5 games, until the GOAT takes over at QB.

Proof you are a fake Patriots fan. Because a real Patriots fan would know that Bill wasn't the D coordinator in the Super Bowl vs GB...and BTW, Carroll took a team that went to the Super Bowl previously. Bill inherited a bad roster in 2000.

Lol at all of Bill's cult following. GOAT HC my @$$, Ron Rivera was able to coach Cam Newton into an MVP season and superbowl appearance, Bill couldn't even get a winning record with him, then has Mac fall into his lap during the draft.

2020 was a covid year when a lot of Patriots players opted out. And you forgot to mention the winning record he had with Matt Cassell...

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[SHOWTIME15]

LMAO

 

[sb1]

What super team? Look at the 1981 and 1984 49ers rosters and please tell me what weapons Montana had...in fact Montana's 1984 season when he went 18-1 is more impressive than any of Brady's seasons because he didn't have great talent around him on offense. Would have gone 19-0 if his kicker didn't miss vs Pitt. Brady had a better roster in 2007 and couldn't complete the deal.

I was talking about the era of the game where super teams could stay together. Imagine what Brady would have done if he was able to benefit from that like Montana did in his day with no cap and not much roster turnover. And Clark and Craig weren't weapons? Clark was an All Pro and Pro Bowl receiver. The Patriots over the years had a mixed bag at OL in front of Brady. Montana's OL had great players almost every year.

Proof you are a fake Patriots fan. Because a real Patriots fan would know that Bill wasn't the D coordinator in the Super Bowl vs GB...

So now you decide who's a real fan? Lol. BB was the assistant HC and defensive backs coach...the same backs who allowed two long TDs to Rison and Freeman in that game.

Carroll took a team that went to the Super Bowl previously. Bill inherited a bad roster in 2000.

I wouldn't call a roster that had Drew, Troy Brown, Faulk, Vinatieri, Glenn, Bruschi, McGinest, Johnson, Ty Law, Milloy and Otis a "bad roster"

Belichick OWNED Bill Walsh.

No he didn't.

Speaking of Walsh realistically you could say he really had a 4th and maybe even a 5th Super Bowl because the roster Seifert inherited and won rings with was built by Walsh. So with that in mind maybe BB's ring advantage over Walsh isn't what it seems.

2020 was a covid year when a lot of Patriots players opted out.

Doubtful they make the playoffs even if they didn't opt out.

And you forgot to mention the winning record he had with Matt Cassell...

"Players win games"
-- Bill Belichick

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I was talking about the era of the game where super teams could stay together. Imagine what Brady would have done if he was able to benefit from that like Montana did in his day with no cap and not much roster turnover. And Clark and Craig weren't weapons? Clark was an All Pro and Pro Bowl receiver. The Patriots over the years had a mixed bag at OL in front of Brady. Montana's OL had great players almost every year.

Yes, but Brady benefitted heavily from free agency, including Harrison, Vrabel, Gilmore, NIkovich, and Revis. Not only that, Brady was able to take advantage of free agency and sign with the Bucs and bring along Fournette and Brown via free agency. If it weren't for FA, Brady would probably be still stuck on 3 rings.

So now you decide who's a real fan? Lol. BB was the assistant HC and defensive backs coach...the same backs who allowed two long TDs to Rison and Freeman in that game.

He wasn't the D coordinator and didn't call the plays.

I wouldn't call a roster that had Drew, Troy Brown, Faulk, Vinatieri, Glenn, Bruschi, McGinest, Johnson, Ty Law, Milloy and Otis a "bad roster"

With the exception of Bledsoe, those players didn't emerge until BB took over.

No he didn't.

Speaking of Walsh realistically you could say he really had a 4th and maybe even a 5th Super Bowl because the roster Seifert inherited and won rings with was built by Walsh. So with that in mind maybe BB's ring advantage over Walsh isn't what it seems.

Yeah he did. Montana struggled against the Giants in the playoffs. And now Walsh has 5 rings - 2 of which are imaginary? You could say that the two Giants super bowls in 86 and 90 were largely a result of Bill's D, so in reality Bill has 8 rings, one more than Tommy.

Doubtful they make the playoffs even if they didn't opt out.

That's nice.

"Players win games"
-- Bill Belichick

"Greatest coach in NFL history"

-Tom Brady

 

[XLIX]

"Greatest coach in NFL history"

-Tom Brady

"Tom’s humble beginning in professional football ultimately ended with him becoming the best player in NFL history” - Bill Belichick

 

[SHOWTIME15]

"Tom’s humble beginning in professional football ultimately ended with him becoming the best player in NFL history” - Bill Belichick

Eh, Bill calling Tom the greatest is like Elon Musk saying Tesla is the greatest car in the world...he built it so he’s taking the credit

 

[sb1]

Yes, but Brady benefitted heavily from free agency, including Harrison, Vrabel, Gilmore, NIkovich, and Revis. Not only that, Brady was able to take advantage of free agency and sign with the Bucs and bring along Fournette and Brown via free agency. If it weren't for FA, Brady would probably be still stuck on 3 rings.

The Patriots did benefit from FA, but it sure would have been nice to see what he could have done if the Patriots built a super roster and they got to stay together year after year.

He wasn't the D coordinator and didn't call the plays.


With the exception of Bledsoe, those players didn't emerge until BB took over.

Ty Law was already an All Pro corner before BB got there. So was Milloy. Also a two time pro bowler. McGinest was a pro bowler, so was Glenn. Brown's break out season was under Carroll. That was not a bad roster IMO.

Yeah he did. Montana struggled against the Giants in the playoffs. And now Walsh has 5 rings - 2 of which are imaginary? You could say that the two Giants super bowls in 86 and 90 were largely a result of Bill's D, so in reality Bill has 8 rings, one more than Tommy.

BB wasn't the HC of the Giants, that was Tuna. Like Walsh did for Seifert, Tuna also built the foundation for Dynasty 1.0 drafting all those great defensive players like Bruschi, Law and Milloy.

That's nice.

The Patriots didn't miss the playoffs by a little in 2020 they missed the playoffs by a lot. Doubtful those defensive players would get them in. Brady probably would though if he stuck around.

"Greatest coach in NFL history"

-Tom Brady

Why so insecure? You credited Belichick for "going 11-5 with Cassel" and the quote from BB said it's the players that win games. Sure Bill did a great job but players > coach.

Tbh I don't know if BB is the greatest coach in NFL history. I'm a Patriots fan so I'd like to think he is, and it's indisputable he's on the top tier of coaches at least with other coaching greats. But there are also a few compelling arguments against the idea that BB is GOAT as of today.

 

[PatsWSB47]

For what it worth, way more people think BB is the greatest coach in NFL history vs the number of people who think Montana is the greatest quarterback in NFL history.

 

[sb1]

Eh, Bill calling Tom the greatest is like Elon Musk saying Tesla is the greatest car in the world...

Knowing BB's passion for defense and his admiration for LT as a player, I wouldn't dismiss Bill saying Brady is the best player in NFL history. He didn't say QB he said player and that matters a lot. He's right of course and it's the ultimate compliment from Bill.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Knowing BB's passion for defense and his admiration for LT as a player, I wouldn't dismiss Bill saying Brady is the best player in NFL history. He didn't say QB he said player and that matters a lot. He's right of course and it's the ultimate compliment from Bill.

Bill also said LT was the best player he's ever coached.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The Patriots did benefit from FA, but it sure would have been nice to see what he could have done if the Patriots built a super roster and they got to stay together year after year.

What top FAs did the Pats lose during the Brady years? Clearly they benefitted more from bringing FAs in than they did by losing them..

Ty Law was already an All Pro corner before BB got there. So was Milloy. Also a two time pro bowler. McGinest was a pro bowler, so was Glenn. Brown's break out season was under Carroll. That was not a bad roster IMO.

THe defense was nowhere near a top defense until BB took over.

BB wasn't the HC of the Giants, that was Tuna. Like Walsh did for Seifert, Tuna also built the foundation for Dynasty 1.0 drafting all those great defensive players like Bruschi, Law and Milloy.

BB was the one who coached the D and developed the game plan. Tuna gave him a lot of autonomy over the Giants D.

Tbh I don't know if BB is the greatest coach in NFL history. I'm a Patriots fan so I'd like to think he is, and it's indisputable he's on the top tier of coaches at least with other coaching greats. But there are also a few compelling arguments against the idea that BB is GOAT as of today.

that’s nice

 

[Pats1971]

Yes, but Brady benefitted heavily from free agency, including Harrison, Vrabel, Gilmore, NIkovich, and Revis. Not only that, Brady was able to take advantage of free agency and sign with the Bucs and bring along Fournette and Brown via free agency. If it weren't for FA, Brady would probably be still stuck on 3 rings.



He wasn't the D coordinator and didn't call the plays.


With the exception of Bledsoe, those players didn't emerge until BB took over.



Yeah he did. Montana struggled against the Giants in the playoffs. And now Walsh has 5 rings - 2 of which are imaginary? You could say that the two Giants super bowls in 86 and 90 were largely a result of Bill's D, so in reality Bill has 8 rings, one more than Tommy.



That's nice.



"Greatest coach in NFL history"

-Tom Brady

Saying Brady benefited from FA instead of keeping a superbowl team every year is just flat out stupid, especially considering Belichick didnt go after free agents like most other coaches.

Did you say Ty Law didnt emerge until BB took over? LMAO

Bill has 8 rings....The same way JG has 2 rings Bill has 6 as a head coach....all with Brady. Brady has 7 rings as a starting QB. Brady left and still won, Bill has not. As a head coach without Brady Bill has a losing record, and is 17-15 the last two years.

Ah yes the Cassel Argument....well if having a winning record with Cassel makes you the goat coach, than whoever the coach of the chiefs was when Cassel went 10-6 must also be in that conversation. Funny thing is though, with Brady that team was 16-0, usually losing 5 more games the next year is a drop off for a team. So Bill took a super team to 11 wins with Cassel, the coach of the chiefs took a mediocre team to 10 wins with Cassel....

 

[XLIX]

Eh, Bill calling Tom the greatest is like Elon Musk saying Tesla is the greatest car in the world...he built it so he’s taking the credit

LOL!!

So when Brady calls Belichick the best ever, we take that as gospel.
But when Belichick calls Brady the best ever....well that doesn't count because reasons.....



As others have asked: Why are you so insecure on this issue?

 

[sb1]

THe defense was nowhere near a top defense until BB took over.

Patriots had a top 10 scoring defense in 2 out of Carroll's 3 seasons. Anyway that 2000 roster was not a bad one at all. Some really good players on there.

that’s nice

LOL.

BB does not have the most coaching wins (Shula), nor the top playoff record as a HC (Lombardi) nor the best winning percentage as a coach (Madden).

All time coaches change the sport. Bill did, but I could argue Walsh had a greater impact, so did Tom Landry...heck so did Dungy.

Great coaches elevate their players and people around the coach. I don't think anyone would dispute that Bill's coaching tree doesn't have a great track record and he now has two of his failed HC's on staff. We'll see how Josh does in Vegas. Shula has a great coaching tree, so did Parcells, so did Walsh, so does Dungy, so does Reid. Heck so does Jon freaking Gruden. Two of them coached the Super Bowl last year.

Bill of course had almost all his success with an all lifetime QB and by his own admission wouldn't be nearly as successful without him. That's not really a strike against him as a coach since it's common sense that a coach wouldn't be as good without great players but it's interesting to see that Joe Gibbs won titles with 3 different QB's and none of them were close to that caliber, and Andy Reid who took two teams and two QBs to 3 Super Bowl appearances.

Bill unfortunately has Spygate on his resume and none of his peers have any controversy tagged to their careers.

Bill is a legend in the game. But I could say that Vince Lombardi's impact went beyond football. The trophy is named after him. Lombardi is also the only coach in history to be recognized in the HOF of two different teams. Bill had a poor record in Cleveland so I doubt he'll be in their HOF.

This is not an argument that Bill is definitely not the GOAT coach, just that I think there are good arguments both ways. I could do this for any of Bill's peers among the coaching greats. It's really hard to pick a GOAT coach right now but since I'm a Patriots fan I'm ok with saying Bill is. Might have a different opinion if he wasn't Patriots coach.

Maybe Bill will have the chance to take a step forward away from that group if he can take Mac Jones to a title and show that you can win in this league without much of a coaching structure or an OC or DC on your staff. That would be a game changing innovation.