Pats Turned Down a Sweet Trade in Round 2

[bakes781]

From watching the 1st episode of Forged in Foxboro we learned that the Texans were looking to trade up and it was clear from who they ended up trading up for(My boy Ersery) that it was not a RB. In fact there were no RBs taken prior to 58.

We could have had 58, 79 and a 3rd round pick next year for 38.

Mike Green was still available at 58.

Jaylin Noel went at 79.

Instead we take a RB that IMO wasn't a need and wasn't BPA. I'm sorry but that's just not how you start a rebuild.

 

[Pape]

From watching the 1st episode of Forged in Foxboro we learned that the Texans were looking to trade up and it was clear from who they ended up trading up for(My boy Ersery) that it was not a RB. In fact there were no RBs taken prior to 58.

We could have had 58, 79 and a 3rd round pick next year for 38.

Mike Green was still available at 58.

Jaylin Noel went at 79.

Instead we take a RB that IMO wasn't a need and wasn't BPA. I'm sorry but that's just not how you start a rebuild.

sounds like a great deal to drop 20 spots in the draft... but i just think about trading down just three(?) spots last year and got burned on moving out of the 34 spot... taking polk at 37 vs mckonkey at 34...

still, that is a big return for 38... i like the extra 3rd in the deal... think i would have made the deal...

 

[borg]

 

[bakes781]

Did you hear Wolf also tell some other team he was on the phone with that they were sticking and picking at offense? So he still just looks weak IMO.

 

[EMpats]

Picking a rapist in round 2 is ok to start a rebuild but not one of the most explosive offensive playmakers in the draft?

 

[maust]

Picking a rapist in round 2 is ok to start a rebuild but not one of the most explosive offensive playmakers in the draft?

I suspect the operative words in the OP may have been 'My boy Ersery'

 

[BobDigital]

From watching the 1st episode of Forged in Foxboro we learned that the Texans were looking to trade up and it was clear from who they ended up trading up for(My boy Ersery) that it was not a RB. In fact there were no RBs taken prior to 58.
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We could have had 58, 79 and a 3rd round pick next year for 38.

Mike Green was still available at 58.

Jaylin Noel went at 79.

Instead we take a RB that IMO wasn't a need and wasn't BPA. I'm sorry but that's just not how you start a rebuild.

Pretty sure Mike Green was off their board unless he fell to round 4 or something. They seemed intent on all picks made days 1 and 2 to be guys with impeccable character. Only on day 3 did they move off that line.

While i have come around a bit on the Henderson pick, I still don't love picking RBs that high. They need to be SO good. Even Jeanty i wouldn't touch in the top 10. Top 16 even be questionable. The position simply isn't valuable enough unless you have a HOF guy to use a super high pick.

Given what we know about the draft i think trading down would have been the better move. Pick Skattebo at the top of the 3rd and i would have been more than happy. Get Fannin at TE as hopefully your core TE of the future and MBow late in the draft with another trade down for more picks so you can get Wilson still. Of course all this is hindsight and entirely unfair.

I get why the did what they did.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Was a huge fan of Henderson at 38 so I was ecstatic with the pick. Completely 100% elated.

This team needs playmakers like nobody’s business and we got some in this draft as well as fa. Couldn’t be happier that they finally made an attempt at a impact position.

 

[bakes781]

Picking a rapist in round 2 is ok to start a rebuild but not one of the most explosive offensive playmakers in the draft?

He was never charged so that's really inappropriate.

My larger point was they had equivalent talent still available and they should be maximizing their odds at every opportunity presented to them in what was by all experts a weak draft class.

 

[Boomer B]

The team was void of playmaking talent. Henderson is the type of guy we need. Should turn out to be a good pick.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Great thread, thanks.

They, Josh and the offense, really wanted the RB/WR type. Larison as an UDFA is Henderson-lite. McDaniels wants his mismatches.

I understand the point of maximizing the overall value in the draft, but there is a point where the athletically gifted guys run out, and only above average guys are left. I love the Farmer and Swinson picks because we need the depth, but they are not taking over a game. Going from 38 to 58 does make it really tough to pick a game changer in R2.

Having said that, an extra 3rd and 4th in 2026 would have been really sweet to fill out this rebuild. As always it comes down to who was available and picked.

 

[Patriot Missile]

He was never charged so that's really inappropriate.

My larger point was they had equivalent talent still available and they should be maximizing their odds at every opportunity presented to them in what was by all experts a weak draft class.

It’s only a weak class if you are not hitting on the opportunities given.

How many times have we seen Belichick work the board and acquire more picks just to have our collective hope chared in a blink of a eye with a obscure pick(s)?

They made 9 picks and I believe the first 6 were home runs from an arm chair scout opinion. I really didn’t see the need to maximize the odds since it seemed they already did by making great picks and then capping it off with a really sound udfa class.

I’ll add this, I’m not particularly fond of 1st or 2nd round running backs either but in Henderson in particular, I was. Started getting nervous when I thought there was a chance for him to get to us. Like worried another team would take him or trade up in front of us for him.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I would have been interested in that trade. However, I don't think Green was on the board. And RB was a need. I like the idea of Stevenson but he has been an average RB for two years before factoring in the fumbles. He has the coaching/OL mess as a legitimate excuse but he is a big uncertainty right now.

I don't think they consider themselves rebuilding after free agency. Filling lots of holes, having the HC and QB and, on paper, an easy schedule, I think they expect to compete for the playoffs and use that as a floor beyond that.

Getting an explosive RB who rarely fumbles and is a great blocker, I think, had great value to them. We need explosive plays/players and this is one.

 

[patrickscribe]

If they had picked up a veteran pass-catching back in free agency who was also a good blocker, even past peak and declining, I might agree Henderson was too early.

But this offense needed 1) playmakers and 2) blockers to keep defenders out of Drake Maye's face.

Henderson checks both boxes. It won't show up in stats, but Henderson will give Maye extra time to develop properly as a QB instead of running for his life, all while demanding defenses account for him. We shouldn't underestimate that.

 

[hornetfb85]

 

[State]

And RB was a need.

No need to rush to the podium for a RB early in the second round. They can be gotten late in the draft. Like the Chiefs’ Pacheco, Kyle Monangai from Rutgers will be another seventh round gem. Not a speed merchant. But tough and dependable, willing to pass block and a good locker room presence.

 

[State]

This is a deal that should have been made. If the Texans want 38 and are willing to give 58, 79, and a third-rounder next year that is too sweet to pass up.

 

[mayoclinic]

I don't think this was a weak draft. I think it was a deep draft. It may not have had the most blue chip talent at the top, but there was starting or significant contributing caliber talent through about 150. A great draft from which to build a strong young talent base, and the Pats did just that.

You can debate each pick. I wouldn't have taken Will Campbell at #4, but I can understand why they did. Hope he works out. I probably would have taken Jaylin Noel at 69. Etc. But the Pats seemed very decisive in their approach and in the way they moved around the draft board. I think they got a lot of "their guys", including UDFAs. You never get them all.

I am of 2 minds about the 38 deal. In general, I will take that kind of deal, any day. You don't know for sure how the change would have affected the subsequent fall of the draft, but some good opportunities would have been available. 4, 58, 69, 77, 79, plus a 2026 3rd - lot of ammo.

But I can see the other side as well. When you have 2 top-40 picks, I want to come away with 2 top talents. 2 guys who are more than just starters/contributors, who are core players and key elements. The Pats blew that last year, passing up a guy like Cooper De Jean. Huge missed opportunity. If the FO felt Henderson was a rare foundational piece, I would think very hard before giving that up.

Mike Green was an outlier. Both BPA and a huge risk. Not someone I see fitting in with whom they were targeting.

Not sure they could have done much better, though it would have been I teresting to see how things played out.

Clouded the future is. Difficult to see.

 

[patman52]

Pretty sure Mike Green was off their board unless he fell to round 4 or something. They seemed intent on all picks made days 1 and 2 to be guys with impeccable character. Only on day 3 did they move off that line.

While i have come around a bit on the Henderson pick, I still don't love picking RBs that high. They need to be SO good. Even Jeanty i wouldn't touch in the top 10. Top 16 even be questionable. The position simply isn't valuable enough unless you have a HOF guy to use a super high pick.

Given what we know about the draft i think trading down would have been the better move. Pick Scattebo at the top of the 3rd and i would have been more than happy. Get Fannin at TE as hopefully your core TE of the future and MBow late in the draft with another trade down for more picks so you can get Wilson still. Of course all this is hindsight and entirely unfair.

I get why the did what they did.

yeah, but I think that not valuing the position is starting to go by the wayside. I am surprised at the ravens going after Green so soon after the kicker's issues.

 

[TomPatriot]

He was never charged so that's really inappropriate.

My larger point was they had equivalent talent still available and they should be maximizing their odds at every opportunity presented to them in what was by all experts a weak draft class.

Hard to complain about an RB who can take it to the house, catch in the flat provide very good pass pro and who also rarely fumbles. I think we can live with that choice.