PATS TRADE JAMIE COLLINS!!!

[RobertWeathers]

Hue Jackson said the same thing in his presser yesterday.

Collins can position and differentiate his value and skillset all he wants.

He is not an edge rusher and is not a better player than Luke Kuechly. Period.

That does not mean some idiot team won't pay him more.

 

[Sicilian]

what if bill made this trade in the hopes that With Jamie on the browns, he'll take the 4 games hes got left against AFC north opponents and really lay into their skill position players.

What if bellichick just sacraficed his queen in order to see the opponents board get completely wiped.

/tinfoil hat

think about it.

Who scares you come playoff time? The broncos, the ravens/steelers.

The browns still play the steelers twice, and the ravens once. the afc south isn't making it out of the wild card round.

I love this theory. It's just the right amount of absurd. I'm considering Collins to be a sleeper agent for the rest of the season

 

[Kdo5]

Rodney was a big part of the team getting their heads back. He has said many times during interviews that after the first game in buffalo, he told brady and co, that this is the NFL, he just got cut from the chargers, people have to move on . etc etc.
Lets hope this team has enough leadership to handle it.

I am hoping that a defensive leader like a McCourty can put aside his disappointment and set a good example for the team to look past it and focus on winning.

The team has two weeks to get over it and refocus before moving on to Seattle.

 

[sambam94]

Been away..is it true we still do not know what pick the Pats will get?. Trade is done, shouldn't we know the exact terms by now?

 

[JayNM]

Am i the only one who still reads the thread title and go "wtf... oh right..."

 

[archstanton543]

Been away..is it true we still do not know what pick the Pats will get?. Trade is done, shouldn't we know the exact terms by now?

We won't know exactly until the compensatory picks are handed out in March 2017. If they get a third, we get it. If they get a fourth, we lose it to the league because of Defamegate and get to keep our own and Seattle's.

 

[archstanton543]

Am i the only one who still reads the thread title and go "wtf... oh right..."

I thought it was some Halloween goof or something until I clicked on it and found out it was all too real.

 

[DaBruinz]

That is exactly why they would get one. Look does anyone here think the Pats are going to sign a Free Agent with an average annual salary above 10 million? Anyone? That is what Collins is looking for and someone will give it to him. There is no way that the Pats retain the all of the 14 UFA's they are going to have this off season. Most will get signed elsewhere. and no 5 2 million a year players do not cancel out losing 1 10 million dollar one, the salaries have to be comparable. The only way you don't get comp is if they sign more UFA then they lose, which is highly doubtful considering they already have 38 players under contract for next year and 10 draft picks. Also keep in mind that all signings do not count for or against the calculations for comp picks, the player lost or signed has to be a true UFA, not a RFA, or a player cut by his former team.

THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS MOVE MAKES SENSE IS THAT THE PATS EXPECT TO LOSE MORE THAN 4 HIGH PRICED UFAs NEXT YEAR!!

So maybe this move doesn't mean that the Pats are going to resign Hightower, Sheard, Bennett, etc. Maybe BB is looking at losing more than 4 UFAs and not signing that many. The NFL will only issue a max of 4 comp picks to any team.

FYI Butler will be a RFA, so if he signs elsewhere the Patriots would get the corresponding draft pick to what he will be tendered (which should be a #1), so he doesn't count in the comp pick formula.

Sorry, FreeTed, but you don't know what you are talking about. If the Pats sign 5 two million dollar players while losing 4 players who signed for contracts more than that, they would not get a compensatory pick.

As I stated earlier, you need to read up on compensatory picks because you just don't know what you are talking about. And because you don't, you're making factually incorrect statements and looking silly for it.

 

[PF_SU]

If they get a fourth, we lose it to the league because of Defamegate and get to keep our own and Seattle's.

No, in that case we get Cleveland's 2018 4th rounder. Cleveland doesn't even have a 4th in 2017. They already traded it.

 

[archstanton543]

No, in that case we get Cleveland's 2018 4th rounder. Cleveland doesn't even have a 4th in 2017. They already traded it.

I stand corrected.

 

[FrodoBagginz]

I love this theory. It's just the right amount of absurd. I'm considering Collins to be a sleeper agent for the rest of the season

Yeah, man. Pats gotta figure out the secrets to the Browns success.

 

[DaBruinz]

So, it's looking like the trade is this:
If Collins signs with Cleveland, they send the Pats their 2017 2nd round pick
If Collins doesn't sign and the Browns get a 3rd round comp for Mack, then the Patriots get that.
If Collins doesn't sign and the Browns don't get a 3rd round comp, then the Patriots get a 2018 4th

The last one doesn't add up, honestly, but that's what we've had reported.

 

[RobertWeathers]

So, it's looking like the trade is this:
If Collins signs with Cleveland, they send the Pats their 2017 2nd round pick
If Collins doesn't sign and the Browns get a 3rd round comp for Mack, then the Patriots get that.
If Collins doesn't sign and the Browns don't get a 3rd round comp, then the Patriots get a 2018 4th

The last one doesn't add up, honestly, but that's what we've had reported.

Best summary so far.

Man thats confusing but I get it.

Door #3 stinks!

 

[JMC00]

If Collins doesn't sign and the Browns don't get a 3rd round comp, then the Patriots get a 2018 4th

The last one doesn't add up, honestly

It's because ****dell took the highest 4th round pick away. Cleveland's 4th round would be that pick. So may as well just roll that forward to the next year because it will likely be a high 4th again

 

[Mack Herron]

A little redemption from Curran for those derided for criticizing the 7-1 defense.

For Belichick, 7-1 isn’t good enough. An offense capable of hanging 50 on anyone isn’t sufficient to allow him to overlook a defense that -- while allowing under 17 points a game -- is too often giving up explosive plays and chunks of yards to incompetent offenses. It doesn’t look the way he wants it to. There’s a performance standard the Patriots play to that has very little to do with wins and losses and this was confirmation they weren’t close to it.

Curran: Banishing Collins was a drastic move for a not-so-drastic time

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Sorry, FreeTed, but you don't know what you are talking about. If the Pats sign 5 two million dollar players while losing 4 players who signed for contracts more than that, they would not get a compensatory pick.

As I stated earlier, you need to read up on compensatory picks because you just don't know what you are talking about. And because you don't, you're making factually incorrect statements and looking silly for it.

Yes if they sign more than they lose then you don't get any comp picks, but they will almost certainly lose more than they sign because they have 14 players destined to become UFA!

After the Season the following Pats are set to become UFA:
Hightower
Bennett
Sheard
Blount
Harmon
Bolden
Delevin
Cannon
Long
Scruggs
Vollmer
Mingo
Ryan
and they have an option on Branch that if they decline he too will become a UFA

What I'm saying is that even if the Pats resign a few of these guys, there is still enough talent there that will garner enough contracts to off set any players that the Pats would sign in Free Agency. Now keep in mind excluding the list about, the Pats already have 38 players signed for 2018, plus a draft class of at least 8 more.

The only thing that make sense about this trade is if the Pats they think they will easily reach the max 4 comp picks (without figuring in the loss of Collins) and they traded Collins away to get an additional pick. Because other than that, this trade makes no sense for either team.

I hope all this speculation is wrong and the pick is a "conditional" pick and the condition is that the Browns sign Collins long term. Because if its for a Compensation pick, the Pats will basically get nothing in return for Collins.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

So, it's looking like the trade is this:
If Collins signs with Cleveland, they send the Pats their 2017 2nd round pick
If Collins doesn't sign and the Browns get a 3rd round comp for Mack, then the Patriots get that.
If Collins doesn't sign and the Browns don't get a 3rd round comp, then the Patriots get a 2018 4th

The last one doesn't add up, honestly, but that's what we've had reported.

If that is the terms then the trade makes a lot more sense. I can see the rationale behind the third option because if they Pats took the Browns 2017 4th rounder, Goodell would steal it.

 

[GodBrady]

So, it's looking like the trade is this:
If Collins signs with Cleveland, they send the Pats their 2017 2nd round pick
If Collins doesn't sign and the Browns get a 3rd round comp for Mack, then the Patriots get that.
If Collins doesn't sign and the Browns don't get a 3rd round comp, then the Patriots get a 2018 4th

The last one doesn't add up, honestly, but that's what we've had reported.

Where are you getting this info from?

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

 

[Froob]

Best summary so far.

Man thats confusing but I get it.

Door #3 stinks!

Where's this info about it being a second coming from?