Pats offering #23 & #47 to Jax @ #8 According to Peter King

[Nestapats]

MAULAULAUGA!!!!!!!!!!

:yeeha:

YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :singing: :rocker: :agree:

 

[jays52]

Another thing to think about is if they grab 7,8 or 9, they can easily move a few late round picks to get up even higher in a move for Curry. They could get that late top 10 and move it to Pioli for 3 without losing too much additional capital. Could very well be a Curry move.

 

[chris66]

here is the link to his column

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?eref=T1

 

[mayoclinic]

The Peter King rumor is now official:

New England Patriots eyeing spot in NFL draft top 10 - Peter King - SI.com

Here's what King has to say:

The Patriots are trying to move up into the top 10 of the draft -- but low in the top 10. Executives from two teams tell me New England offered its first-round pick and middle of three second-round picks (the 23rd and 47th picks overall) to Jacksonville for the eighth pick in the draft. Jacksonville GM Gene Smith, I'm told, said no ... but I also hear the Patriots might be looking to Green Bay at nine to move as well.

Who might be the object of their affection? I'm told it may be a surprise, because smart money would say the target is LSU's Tyson Jackson, the best 3-4 defensive end in the draft and the only end versatile enough to play every spot on the defensive line. But I'm not sure it's Jackson. I think it might be an offensive player. Sorry to be so cryptic, but I truly don't know.
The Patriots are Fort Knox on draft weekend -- and, for that matter, on every weekend. Remember last year? New England traded down from seven to 10 in the first round and got the object of its affection, Tennessee linebacker Jerod Mayo, and no one ever knew Mayo was their man.
It makes infinite sense that New England would want the eighth or ninth pick, because the line of demarcation between sanity and insanity in the top 10 is right there. Check out the money that each of the players between six and 10 in last year's draft would earn with minimum play-time incentives in their five-year contracts:

6. Vernon Gholston, Jets $32.5 million
7. Sedrick Ellis, New Orleans $32 million
8. Derrick Harvey, Jacksonville $23 million
9. Keith Rivers, Cincinnati $19 million
10. Jerod Mayo, New England $16 million

It figures that New England would be targeting the eighth pick, or ninth. It's called being ahead of the curve.

 

[bakes781]

Both have risk, but huge upsides.

Raji is a nice guess. With more teams going 3-4, maybe Bill wants to use more 4-3 or 4-2-5 formations.

If the Pats draft Smith you are guaranteed he's a good enough kid to have no problems here. Belichick trusts Saban implicitly.

I'm not concerned so much with the character concerns with Andre. I just don't see him as a good fit with us. He's probably have to play Guard and I can't see paying top 10 $ for a Guard!

Wells is used goods IMO. Give me Knowshon but either RB could be there at #23.

Raji could be a possibility, but does that mean the end of Wilfork?

 

[bakes781]

If they're looking to get ahead of SF(10), Buf(11) and Denver(12) then my educated guess would be targetting a DE/OLB.

Robert Ayers

Tyson Jackson

 

[Synovia]

I just don't see him as a good fit with us. He's probably have to play Guard and I can't see paying top 10 $ for a Guard!

This, to me atleast, sounds a whole lot like the "Jake long is a right tackle because hes not agile enough. Hes not agile enough because hes strong and big".


Essentially taking the fact that a kid did one drill really well and assuming that means he can't do other things. The same thing was pretty much said about Joe Thomas: "hes too strong to be agile".> Frankly, its ridiculous.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Patriots have the ammo to turn their 1st and second round picks into two first rounders, with one being in the top 10. Giving up the first rounder and #34 keeps that second pick option as a low first, though, whereas keeping the #34 lets the team move up significantly higher, were they to go that route.

It's really about taking advantage of the perceived loss of draft chart value for top 10 picks.

 

[bakes781]

There's also the rumors that my boy Larry English is moving up the boards!

 

[The Coon]

If Curry or Crabtree falls, they have to get serious consideration at #8

My guess is that we are trading up for an OT, and im think Michael Oher which would be a great pick

 

[Jimke]

If you look at the draft value table, #23 and #47 will only

buy the #12 draft pick.

 

[BlackFrancis]

If they're looking to get ahead of SF(10), Buf(11) and Denver(12) then my educated guess would be targetting a DE/OLB.

Robert Ayers

Tyson Jackson

If it is Ayers, I'm going to need to double down on Lorazepam.

 

[spacecrime]

I think it is possible the Pats see 8 players with value significantly higher than the rest. Trading to 8 would guarantee one of them.

Assuming Stafford and Sanchez go, the pats can choose among:

OLB/ILB Curry
DE Jackson
NT Raji
or 3 LTs.

And, of course, should Sanchez or Stafford fall, the Pats will be in a huge position to trade back for better than 23 and 47.

Don't think it will happen, but fine if it does.

 

[Clonamery]

If you look at the draft value table, #23 and #47 will only

buy the #12 draft pick.

...so JAX is not that desperate to get out of the top 10.

 

[mayoclinic]

If they're looking to get ahead of SF(10), Buf(11) and Denver(12) then my educated guess would be targetting a DE/OLB.

Robert Ayers

Tyson Jackson

I don't think so. Jackson could be the guy, but I don't think there is a DE/OLB worth taking at 8. Plus, Vernon Gholston last year is a good warning against the risk of spending a top 10 pick on a conversion prospect. I think that BB will use #34 on a DE/OLB conversion. Connor Barwin or Larry English will likely be available, possibly even Ayers, Maybin or Everette Brown as well. Much less risky and more cost-effective.

I think if BB moves up to #8 he's going to use it on an impact position or a sure thing. Possibly Jackson, but more likely Aaron Curry, BJ Raji, Andre Smith or even Michael Crabtree.

Some thoughts:

1. Everyone is trying to move out of the top 10, and the "smart money" says the value in this draft is in the 20's. That means it's a great time to look at the values in the high rent district of the top 10.

2. The bottom of the top 10 is a whole different world money-wise than the top part. Peter King notes that 8-9 is the demarcation point between fiscal sanity and insanity.

3. I really like Peter King's comment about the Pats "staying ahead of the curve". They are thinking creatively by looking at opportunities here which they normally wouldn't have. They only have them because of the poor perception of the top 10 and the unusual number of 1st day picks which we have.

4. With all the teams moving to 3-4 defenses I wouldn't be surprised if BB went with someone like Raji and starting throwing different schemes and formations out there. Baltimore did very well in 2000 with Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa manning the middle. Even though Warren and Seymour aren't traditional 4-3 DEs, I think we could do a lot, particularly if we used Adalius Thomas (and possibly Jason Taylor) at end on some formations. Mayo is athletic enough to play MLB in a 3-man LB scheme.

5. I think Aaron Curry and Mayo would be synergistic at ILB. I wouldn't normally spend a top 10 pick on a MIKE, but in this case it would be worth it.

6. I think a 4 WR set consisting of Randy Moss, Michael Crabtree, Joey Galloway and Wes Welker would be unstoppable, with Tom Brady throwing to them. Unstoppable.

 

[Deus Irae]

P.S.


I hope it's for my left tackle.


:deadhorse:

 

[primetime]

If you look at the draft value table, #23 and #47 will only

buy the #12 draft pick.

The talent is pretty evenly spread this year. The guy you get at #12 isn't going to be much different than the guy you get at #8 or 9, but he'll cost less. For a team with little to lose like the Patriots, getting ahead of teams to take the one guy you want is a great deal, while for teams in that range they can trade back and end up with another 1st day pick.

 

[mayoclinic]

If you look at the draft value table, #23 and #47 will only

buy the #12 draft pick.

Reportedly St. Louis, KC and Jax are eager to trade down and will take a discount. In any case, the traditional value chart is breaking down. Last year Jacksonville traded 26, 71, 89 and 125 for 8. That works out to 1127 points, vs. 1400 for the #8 pick. #23 and #47 together are worth 1190 points, which is more than Jacksonville offered Baltimore last year.

 

[mayoclinic]

...so JAX is not that desperate to get out of the top 10.

Obviously, if they turned down an offer greater than what they gave for the same pick last year, they can't be that desperate. Yet. Things may change in the next 30 hours.

 

[apple strudel]

Andre Smith is a hot commodity.

ProFootballTalk.com - Bills Exploring A Trade To Land Andre Smith

Edit: to put this in context, the Bills are picking at 11, so they're looking to trade to anywhere probably between 5 and 10 to get him.