Pats now betting favorites to land Delvin Cook (Update: Odds "Pretty High" He Signs With Jets)

[doesntmatter1]

Sign Cook. Still has speed.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

Sign Cook. Still has speed.

Too much money they'll pass unless he wants 3 million base plus incentives. He's more or less like Saks 5th and the Patriots shop at Marshalls. Love bargin basement shopping

 

[n1997y]

On a slightly unrelated topic, why did we not resign Damien Harris. He went for a 1 year 1.77 million contract which is slightly over vet minimum . If I am Stevenson , I would be very wary of taking a large workload because of the way pats treat their running backs after rookie contracts.

So you really think Stevenson can just turn down work? Say “no coach I’m taking this play off”? How do you think that will get him treated?

 

[n1997y]

Last visit he had a Patriot free lunch and Dinner then signed with the Bucs...moocher!!

Must've been the same lunch and doggie bag Dhop got..

Lenny didn’t like the chowdah either?

 

[Toofy]

So you really think Stevenson can just turn down work? Say “no coach I’m taking this play off”? How do you think that will get him treated?

I don't know what choices RBs have but maybe after a stellar 8 -10 game season , fake injury or reduce effort to reduce wear or negotiate contract mid season .

I feel there has to be exit clause for Running backs after 3 years and franchise tag will only net them a 3rd rounder . That way they can get a bigger contract for year 4 and 5 and mid size for year 6 . 4 years of rookie and 1 year if franchise tag is criminal when you consider that they have just 6-9 years in NFL. Or guarantee them an bonus of 2 million if they cross 500 yards in a season on rookie contract and bonus of 5 million if they cross 1000 yards. That's the only way you can keep salaries of everyone in check

 

[XLIX]

I don't know what choices RBs have but maybe after a stellar 8 -10 game season , fake injury or reduce effort to reduce wear or negotiate contract mid season .

I feel there has to be exit clause for Running backs after 3 years and franchise tag will only net them a 3rd rounder . That way they can get a bigger contract for year 4 and 5 and mid size for year 6 . 4 years of rookie and 1 year if franchise tag is criminal when you consider that they have just 6-9 years in NFL. Or guarantee them a bonus of 2 million if they cross 500 yards in a season on rookie contract and bonus of 5 million if they cross 1000 yards. That's the only way you can keep salaries of everyone in check

The Union will never support a change which elevates one position group over another in the CBA. The only people who care about RBs being treated unfairly are RBs. Safeties and linemen and corners aren’t going to sacrifice their money for someone else.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I wanted him too, but he is 31 (32 is the "cliff age" of WRs - general rule) and not on PEDs anymore. The PED thing has always bothered me because I don't know why Hopkins used them, but I assume the Pats vetted that before making an offer. Overall it would be nice to have a top WR, even if his availability was spotty IMO.

I love Bourne but there are obvious problems. Maybe he can keep his head on straight but getting married usually is not easy the first few years. We will see, Bourne has a lot of physical talent, but stability issues have always plagued him, not just last year. Kyed is saying Hopkins would have pushed Bourne out which means he is WR #4.

I agree the PEDs shouldn’t be downplayed.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Bill generally gets a pass from me on anything. Signing Fournette would test my loyalty though. **** no.

Fournette = Vin Baker

 

[Tunescribe]

I love Bourne but there are obvious problems. Maybe he can keep his head on straight but getting married usually is not easy the first few years.

That last bit made me laugh. I would consider "settling down" a stabilizing influence with those first years being the best. That is, before rote familiarity brings inevitable challenges. From what I saw on his linked YouTube video Bourne appears really happy, focused and in better shape than last year at this time. With Patricia's doghouse out of the picture he hopefully will thrive under BOB.

 

[sb1]

I agree the PEDs shouldn’t be downplayed.

That bothered me too. It wasn't HGH for healing either like Rodney had, it was ostarine which is banned by WADA and the IOC with similar effects as anabolic steroids. He gave the usual "I didn't know I took it" excuse that almost all drug cheats use. There had to be a reason why he took it.

 

[Tunescribe]

That bothered me too. It wasn't HGH for healing either like Rodney had, it was ostarine which is banned by WADA and the IOC with similar effects as anabolic steroids. He gave the usual "I didn't know I took it" excuse that almost all drug cheats use. There had to be a reason why he took it.

I was unfamiliar with Ostarine so looked it up. Scary stuff, not even available via prescription in the U.S:

"You cannot buy Ostarine legally over the counter because it is not approved for human use or consumption in the U.S., or in any other country. However, there are some products that claim to contain Ostarine or similar ingredients, but they are not legal or safe. Keep in mind that Ostarine is not currently available as a prescription medication in any country. No matter what medical condition you have, your doctor is not legally allowed to prescribe ostarine to you as a treatment."

But this might give Hopkins the benefit of a doubt:

"Ostarine is an investigational drug and therefore not approved for any use by the US FDA. Despite this, it is still sometimes found in dietary supplements, particularly those marketed for bodybuilding."

 

[Vindicate]

I was unfamiliar with Ostarine so looked it up. Scary stuff, not even available via prescription in the U.S:

"You cannot buy Ostarine legally over the counter because it is not approved for human use or consumption in the U.S., or in any other country. However, there are some products that claim to contain Ostarine or similar ingredients, but they are not legal or safe. Keep in mind that Ostarine is not currently available as a prescription medication in any country. No matter what medical condition you have, your doctor is not legally allowed to prescribe ostarine to you as a treatment."

But this might give Hopkins the benefit of a doubt:

"Ostarine is an investigational drug and therefore not approved for any use by the US FDA. Despite this, it is still sometimes found in dietary supplements, particularly those marketed for bodybuilding."

It's pretty easy to find and looks like most supplements: https://paradigmpeptides.com/product/ostarine-mk-2866/

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I could see a personal trainer just adding this to a regimen and a player not questioning it. Not to just excuse Hopkins (although I really don't care about PEDs), more or less just showing how it is branded and how... "normal" it looks, if that makes sense.

One thing I've learned from watching a bunch of chemistry videos on YT, it's too easy to find almost any chemical/substance on above-ground markets.

 

[Real fan 02]

The Union will never support a change which elevates one position group over another in the CBA. The only people who care about RBs being treated unfairly are RBs. Safeties and linemen and corners aren’t going to sacrifice their money for someone else.

All of NFL players are pretty much independent contractors. Your absolutely right on your assessment. Look at saquon he is thinking of holding out for the season.. look at laveon bell.. he regrets sitting out that season. Running backs are probably becoming the most devalued position in NFL becuase the hits they take, the wear and tear.. rham for example said he was worn down by seasons end.. mainly becuase we had no real offense and everything went through him to move the ball. But.. yeah RBs they won't see any more large contracts saquon was lucky to get the 10 million tag.. heck cook is on the open market without a contract.

 

[Love The Drake]

I’d rather roll with our group of backs and get s fullback.

 

[PatsFan2]

It's not Delvin it's Dalvin Cook.

 

[Vindicate]

The Union will never support a change which elevates one position group over another in the CBA. The only people who care about RBs being treated unfairly are RBs. Safeties and linemen and corners aren’t going to sacrifice their money for someone else.

The players union is ran exactly how the owners want it ran: pretty weak. I remember reading reports when Brady was encouraging people to save up for a potential hold-out, that decisions are hard to come by just because everything with football players is quite "extreme" and finding middle ground is more difficult than finding a football under a pile of 6 offensive linemen.

Then there's this: Tom Brady blasts NFL Players Association as ‘ignorant’

 

[n1997y]

It's not Delvin it's Dalvin Cook.

Four pages into the thread…

 

[PatsFan2]

Four pages into the thread…

Somebody had to say it.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

That bothered me too. It wasn't HGH for healing either like Rodney had, it was ostarine which is banned by WADA and the IOC with similar effects as anabolic steroids. He gave the usual "I didn't know I took it" excuse that almost all drug cheats use. There had to be a reason why he took it.

Have to assume he was trying to heal and knew he was slipping. He is 31. I still wanted to sign him. I think he will be OK for 2 years, but that is probably the end which Hopkins saw and wanted to delay.

 

[Tunescribe]

Imagine feeling over the hill at 31.