Pats not trading Garoppolo - Schefter

[BradyFTW!]

So are you suggesting that Brady would not have been injured by the hit that injured Jimmy?

If not, are you suggesting it is because Brady is tougher, or just is better at falling to avoid injury?

I do believe that. Brady is better at falling. It's a weird skill, and probably stretches the definition of what constitutes a skill, but it's the truth. You don't stay as healthy as he has for the last 16 years by chance.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The majority of the "Keep Garoppolo" people just aren't living in reality. They all seem to think:

1) Garoppolo will be perfectly happen sacrificing millions and millions of dollars to remain a backup for several more years, or...

2) They agree with Max Kellerman and Brady "falling off the cliff" is coming imminently, or...

3) Brady will be perfectly happy to ride off into the sunset after next year, despite the fact that he has stated time and time again he wants to keep playing for several more years

There is zero evidence whatsoever to believe any of those things are even remotely realistic.

Agreed, and what I think people need to understand is that Garoppolo agreeing to take millions of dollars less per year to sit on the bench is the least likely of those options. If the Pats keep him, then there's two possibilities. 1) they're keeping him to get one more year of backup QB play out of him. 2) they're keeping him in order to make a determination after this season as to who their starter is from 2018 onward. If we want to keep both of them past 2018, we're going to have to be willing to pay Garoppolo something north of Osweiler money, and if he really wants to start then even that may not be enough.

 

[obgod3]

It doesn't make sense if you know that Brady is going to the QB in 2018. But what if Bill has questions about Brady's age and is cautious about trading away a potential star QB.

Heres the issue, if the Patriots think his value is worth a 1st round pick or 2 1st round picks.. then they think he is a young starting QB with lots of potential. So if they think that then they probably are considering.. do we really want to trade him?

I suppose but I think that is a pretty long reach. You would have to release Brady at the end of the 2017 season and then sign JG at 22Mil plus. Yeh anything can happen but its a reach for sure.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Everyone gets it.
What you don't get is that you don't ruin a SB caliber team by giving away the GOAT in order to hand in to a kid who has played 6 quarters.
SB rings don't come easy and if they leave with Brady that needs to happen at the latest date possible.

Yeah, I think one of the core issues dividing people here is a fundamental disagreement on how big the dropoff from Brady to Garoppolo is. In 6 quarters from Garoppolo, I saw a talented young QB who got hurt pretty quickly. A guy who, if everything goes right for him, you could maybe reasonably hope he eventually becomes something like.... 80% of the player Brady is right now. And that's not a knock on Garoppolo, I think he's a fine young QB and any team that mortgaged its future would be getting a potential franchise guy. But if it's not clear enough already, Pats fans really need to understand that Brady isn't 'just' a franchise QB. He's the greatest quarterback to every play the game, and he's still giving peak production. Switching from him to literally any other QB in NFL history would be a downgrade, and switching from him to a guy who's played six quarters is a downgrade that's also fraught with uncertainty.

To put it another way: there's a very real chance that Brady has more years of franchise QB-level production remaining in him than Garopppolo does.

 

[deters]

Why would JG stay here as a back up when other teams want him as a starter? He's forced now because he is under contract. In 12 months he won't be.

Many reasons. If he wants to start for a terrible organization and terrible team, go ahead. If Brady does indeed hang it up after his contract expires, it would be beneficial to study under him a few more years and take over an already viable franchise with pieces in place.

 

[Ring 6]

Many reasons. If he wants to start for a terrible organization and terrible team, go ahead. If Brady does indeed hang it up after his contract expires, it would be beneficial to study under him a few more years and take over an already viable franchise with pieces in place.

There is no way in the world that Jimmy G will accept a job as back up to Brady when he is a free agent and teams offer him a starting job or even the chance to compete to start.
No way

 

[deters]

There is no way in the world that Jimmy G will accept a job as back up to Brady when he is a free agent and teams offer him a starting job or even the chance to compete to start.
No way

You never know. NE as backup > SF, CLE, JAC as starter

 

[Ring 6]

You never know. NE as backup > SF, CLE, JAC as starter

Zero chance

 

[ctpatsfan77]

To put it another way: there's a very real chance that Brady has more years of franchise QB-level production remaining in him than Garopppolo does.

But to take the opposite point of view—if you've found a Brady clone (which is what he was trained to be), how willing are you to let him go and hope you can find another one in a few years?

Let me put it this way: I'd rather be in this position than the 49ers', but I sure as hell don't envy Belichick on this one.

 

[XLIX]

You never know. NE as backup > SF, CLE, JAC as starter

 

[Sfpat]

Many reasons. If he wants to start for a terrible organization and terrible team, go ahead. If Brady does indeed hang it up after his contract expires, it would be beneficial to study under him a few more years and take over an already viable franchise with pieces in place.

Plus he could get the money today instead of waiting a year. 2 year $30 MM extension with a $15 MM signing bonus would speak loudly.

 

[patfanken]

I had to drive around a bit today and based on what I was listening to on both radio stations, someone really needs to reign in some of the "speculation". And I put specualtion in quotes because the fact is, they way they all were talking, Schecter's report has now become an "undeniable FACT".

So it's not longer an issue of whether the Pats are trading JG. It's "now that JG is staying long term, how does that affect Tom Brady". And they take it from there and start speculating on Brady's imminent departure. Which includes Brady being asked to leave after next season and off course all the Max Kellerman "off the cliff" talk

Even if Schecter's source came within the Pats organization (which he DIDN'T say in his report, using rather a "league source".), how different is this report fr0m the one from a few days before, which stated he thought it would take a 1 and 4 to get JG. Don't forget Mort got his info from a "league source" as well.

Also it was being tossed about that the deadline for trading JG is 3/9, also as if that was a fact, when in reality, JG will be in play at LEAST until the first day of the draft (4/27).

Now normally I wouldn't mind all the talk because it's fun speculating about all the possibilities. What else to we have to do before TC opens. My beef is that they AREN'T just speculating, but have taken the leap to make speculation FACT.

 

[Keyser Söze]

I could only understand not dealing him in a weak draft class. This is a deep draft for the positions we should be looking at. That along with how many FA we have, trade Jimmy and reload BB!

 

[Sfpat]

I'm guessing that if JG is traded, the acquiring team will want him into their playbook as soon as possible, meaning a trade happens sooner, rather than later.

 

[Big-T]

49ers might be in for using #2 to get a QB.

 

[zydecochris]

Because he only has so much time left (whether because of decline or because he decides to call it a day and go out on top).

Tell me which you would prefer (again, I'm leaving contracts aside so we don't get all tied up in "well, that's not possible under the current contracts anyways" distractions, as this is a hypothetical discussion):

• Three great years of Brady and then "what the hell do we do for a QB???" for years.
• Two great years of Brady and then move on to a solid starter for 5-10 years.

I know what what I'd want and it's not the first one. And at some point those two choices (or choices very like them) are what Belichick will be facing.

Now sure, we'd all like "6 great years of Brady and then move on to someone we've drafted and groomed by then" but we'd all like unicorns and ponies and winning Powerball tickets, too.

Because of Brady's unique training and eating regimen (and genetics might have something to do with it also), he has stayed at a top level, mostly injury free, at an age that virtually all previous quarterbacks haven't. I think it is entirely possible that he could be great for even more than three years, he is simply one of a kind.

The problem is, as you point out, nobody really knows for sure when he will decline, not ever Brady. Thus, some type of contingency plan seems wise to me, and BB doesn't seem like to type to not have a "back-up" plan for when Brady finally declines.

 

[Ring 6]

But to take the opposite point of view—if you've found a Brady clone (which is what he was trained to be), how willing are you to let him go and hope you can find another one in a few years?

Let me put it this way: I'd rather be in this position than the 49ers', but I sure as hell don't envy Belichick on this one.

You don't know you have a Brady clone until you see it in the field in the clutch in big games.
100s of QBs can look good in practice and many who we consider weak look good in a lot of games.
What separates Brady from the rest can't be viewed until the spit hits the fan.

 

[borg]

CBSSports has a mock today hypothesizing that Washington could trade Cousins to SF thereby extracting the Skins from a potential record breaking contract for a player they don't really believe in. The pretend compensation in such a transaction would be a swap of first rounders , #2 <--> #17 with a conditional pick given to Wash. as well.
The fallout....Washington would need a starting QB ...while owning the #2 pick in the draft. Without knowing Washington's intentions to fill the QB void, hypothetically speaking, the Skins could secure their QB future through the draft .....or go after JG while saving their franchise big money when compared to Cousins....JG costs $800k in year 1 plus IMO millions less per year compared to Cousins ...if JG is extended similar to the the Brock sh*tshow in Houston.
In such a scenario.....even if Washington spends their #2 to acquire JG, what their real cost would be was their original #17. Replacing QBs and owing #17 is not all that palatable ....but the yearly cap savings is substantial.....and they get to move on from Cousins without taking a step back at QB. If Washington could trade down that #2, even better for Wash.....but...teams like Cleveland will sniff out Washington's motives and possibly front run them at some point.
Food for thought.....6 months to go before week 1
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Redskins trade Cousins to 49ers, pass on QB at No. 2

Edit.....All it takes is one desperate team....Could Washington be that team?

 

[BradyFTW!]

But to take the opposite point of view—if you've found a Brady clone (which is what he was trained to be), how willing are you to let him go and hope you can find another one in a few years?

Let me put it this way: I'd rather be in this position than the 49ers', but I sure as hell don't envy Belichick on this one.

If you can conclude that you've found a Brady clone based on six quarters of play without the guy ever actually winning anything of significance, then it shouldn't be too hard by that standard to find another clone.

This kind of reasoning would work for many players, but Brady just isn't one of them. The difference between Brady and a routine franchise QB is something that cant be measured in training camp, or even in the first couple weeks of regular season football against teams like the Cardinals and Dolphins.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Even if Schecter's source came within the Pats organization (which he DIDN'T say in his report, using rather a "league source".), how different is this report fr0m the one from a few days before, which stated he thought it would take a 1 and 4 to get JG. Don't forget Mort got his info from a "league source" as well.

The difference here is that the 1 and 4 was Schefter stating his opinion, while his claim that he's not available is "per league sources"—that is, what other people are telling him.

Also it was being tossed about that the deadline for trading JG is 3/9, also as if that was a fact, when in reality, JG will be in play at LEAST until the first day of the draft (4/27).

3/9 is the earliest he can be traded, not the latest.