Pats not trading Garoppolo - Schefter

[convertedpatsfan]

If they don't trade him this offseason they will be "giving him away" at the end of next year - especially compared to what they could get for him now.

That's not totally true.

Remember 2015 when Brock Osweiler kept the Broncos afloat without Manning. He went 5-2 to help the Broncos secure homefield advantage in the playoffs. One less win and they would have tumbled to the #5 seed, playing in wildcard weekend on the road for potentially 3 straight games to make it to the Super Bowl.

The 3-1 start without Brady mattered a lot this year in securing homefield. If we go 1-3, we might not. And if one of those losses had been to Miami, we might not even win the division.

I'm not saying we should keep Jimmy no matter what, but there's great value in a quality backup too. When Derek Carr got hurt, the season was over for the Raiders. If something were to happen to Brady, we would still have a chance, though maybe not as the favourites. It would be like having an extra life in a video game, hopefully you don't need it, but it gives you more chances to succeed if you do.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'd rather Jimmy left after next year than get a pick that we'll use to trade down for guys that might not even turn out good.

Brady's physical skills have declined over the past 3 years. That is a fact. He's physically going to decline next year. We all want to be naive and think he can keep this up but realistically he's not.

Brady has gotten better the last three years, not worse. You can keep on repeating this bullsh.t all you want but the facts tell a completely different story.

 

[Huckleberry1]

How has that manifested itself? Since it's a fact, should be easy to say.

Much as I like Jimmy Garrapolo I'm getting to the point where I'm going to respond to all of the posts about Brady's deterioration and age with " fragile Patriots back-up, " and " brittle Patriots back-up....." If people simply want to talk sh. t then it cuts both ways.

 

[slash83]

Who really knows, maybe they wont. Maybe they want him to succeed Brady when he retires and will pay the money to keep him around. Its not crazy...

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is based on what, exactly? His stats?

No, it's based upon:

Brady's going to be 33 next season.....

Brady's going to be 34 next season.....

Brady's going to be 35 next season...

Brady's going to be 36 next season....

Brady's going to be 37 next season....

Brady's going to be 38 next season....

Brady's going to be 39 next season....

Brady's going to be 40 next season....


Like Borges, Shauhnessy, Felger, Mazzerrotti, and the rest of the troll know nothings they just keep repeating this mantra despite the fact that Brady proves them wrong every season. Brady's training is unlike any QB who has ever played the game and he's currently in the best shape of his life and playing like it. The Max Kellerman "he's going to fall off a cliff" bullsh.t has been disproven for years and it simply isn't going to happen. They want to dump the greatest player to ever play the game while he is still playing like it and hand the keys to the franchise to a player who couldn't make it through two games, let alone a 19 game season. It's moronic.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Who really knows, maybe they wont. Maybe they want him to succeed Brady when he retires and will pay the money to keep him around. Its not crazy...

It's not crazy but it's not practical or logical.

They may very well keep him but one thing they won't do is pay Jimmy $15m a year to sit on the bench for 4 more years.

 

[Huckleberry1]

And now everyone is worried about "Brady's wife?"

Unf.ckingbelievable. What a bunch of ****ies.

 

[Huckleberry1]

No one knows what New England's asking price for Jimmy G. is, except for Coach and maybe a handful of others. No one. All the reporters can say this or that, but until someone in authority in the NE front office comments on it, it is all speculation.

But let me say this: We had a competent QB backing up Brady (Matt Cassel) when Brady was lost for the season. The team went 11-5 and only missed the playoffs because Favre,playing for the Jets, resorted to form and lost against Miami. But I digress.

Let me just ask this: Who here would be comfortable with Jacoby under center if Brady is lost for the season? THAT is the real question. One of insurance to the team. If Jacoby isn't ready yet to step in, then why trade Jimmy G.? Having a couple of high-end players through extra draft picks is nice, and all that, but not if the team has a losing season. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

If you are worried about the backup you go get a veteran backup in free agency.

 

[Huckleberry1]

How ironic. Brady gets pummeled against Denver in previous year's AFCCG and in this SB. He's fine.
Garappolo the QB for the next 10-12 years doesn't last 2 games.

But but but but he's 39



But but but but Giselle



But but but but Max Kellerman says he's going to fall off a cliff

 

[sb1]

IMO the Pats right now would happily take two 2nd rounders. Even better a 2nd this year and maybe a conditional 1st next year.

JG is not worth a top pick in this draft to any team and I'm not surprised teams are wisely balking at the rumored price. 2 starts. FA next year. Only played under Belichick's system. If you were the Pats and Brady wasn't here- would you want to give up your top pick in the draft for that kind of resume?

 

[MainePatsFan26]

Not sure if there is already a thread on this.


Edit: Mods please edit Garoppolo in the title..

Teams are always willing to trade. Heck, I'd probably trade Tom Brady for 50 first round draft picks and a letter of resignation from Roger Goodbye.

 

[Huckleberry1]

IMO the Pats right now would happily take two 2nd rounders. Even better a 2nd this year and maybe a conditional 1st next year.

JG is not worth a top pick in this draft to any team and I'm not surprised teams are wisely balking at the rumored price. 2 starts. FA next year. Only played under Belichick's system. If you were the Pats and Brady wasn't here- would you want to give up your top pick in the draft for that kind of resume?

Not worth it, they will get a third just by keeping him. If they get a top three make the deal. If they get a later 1st plus then make the deal, anything less hold on to him for another year.

 

[Angelpats]

But but but but he's 39



But but but but Giselle



But but but but Max Kellerman says he's going to fall off a cliff

The problem is people and even our fans soak in everything the mediots say but don't trust what their eyes see or trust Brady when he says he will retire when he knows he can't help the team win anymore. Brady won't be out there throwing lame ducks like Peyton just so he can extend his career and pad his stats.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

or trust Brady when he says he will retire when he knows he can't help the team win anymore

Brady's own father doesn't really believe Brady will do that.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Brady's own father doesn't really believe Brady will do that.

That's not what his father said, he said he didn't think it would end well in New England, he never said he would keep playing even if he was playing poorly. I don't believe Brady will insist on playing if he sucks, he will only keep going if he's still playing well, and I don't think there's a harsher critic of his play than he is. If Brady plays poorly and they decided to move him then that's fine, I wouldn't have a problem with that. If they however move him simply because he's 40, or 41 etc.. then I will be disgusted, and as I said yesterday that will most likely be the end of football for me. Some people just root for the laundry, I'm not one of them, if they can't treat their greatest players with the respect they deserve I'm not interested in supporting them.

 

[shmessy]

Not worth it, they will get a third just by keeping him. If they get a top three make the deal. If they get a later 1st plus then make the deal, anything less hold on to him for another year.

I still like the idea of:

2017: 3rd rounder (if CLE/CHI/SF - that's like a late 2nd)
2018: 2nd rounder
2019: 1st rounder

I get the whole "value goes down by the future year" argument, but THIS makes sense from the Patriots point of view (the only one I care about - - not the Mel Kiper point of view).

Brady has 3 good years still in him.
We will know whether Brissett is ready or not to take over by the end of 2019 (the year his rookie contract is up).
The 1st rounder will be more important to the Patriots in 2019.
Meanwhile, they get to stock the team with more (quantity) quality draft picks in 2017 (what is considered to be a deep draft by the nerds who follow that stuff) and then a 2nd in 2018.

It makes too much sense. If the other team wants to sweeten the deal from that baseline, I'm more than happy if that occurs.

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[QuantumMechanic]

That's not what his father said, he said he didn't think it would end well in New England, he never said he would keep playing even if he was playing poorly. I don't believe Brady will insist on playing if he sucks, he will only keep going if he's still playing well, and I don't think there's a harsher critic of his play than he is. If Brady plays poorly and they decided to move him then that's fine, I wouldn't have a problem with that. If they however move him simply because he's 40, or 41 etc.. then I will be disgusted, and as I said yesterday that will most likely be the end of football for me. Some people just root for the laundry, I'm not one of them, if they can't treat their greatest players with the respect they deserve I'm not interested in supporting them.

Well, it'll be nice knowing you, then. I don't see Belichick selling out everything he believes it, and hurting the team, just to suck up to a star player, even one like Brady.

All you "you have to keep Brady as long as he's better than JG!" people crack me up, especially when you don't actually even believe that.

Let's leave the contracts aside for a minute.

If you knew that Brady would be better than JG all the way to Brady's end and you also knew Brady would hang it up after the 2019 season would you still be so quick to say "we have to keep Brady over JG"? What if you know he'd hang it up after the 2018 season? What if you knew he'd hang it up after the 2017 season? I doubt there's a single one of you who would say "Keep Brady no matter what!" if you knew he was done after 2017.

The point is that a "Keep Brady to the end, no matter what!" position is ludicrous. When the estimate of his remaining time is short enough you have to move on no matter how good he is, especially if you think you have someone who can be a solid starter for you for years.

If Brady is 40 or 41 and BB concludes that at that point Brady only has 1 or 2 years left, BB would be a fool to not move on if he thinks he has his next man up for the job in house and the alternative is to lose him, even if Brady is still better than his replacement.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Well, it'll be nice knowing you, then. I don't see Belichick selling out everything he believes it, and hurting the team, just to suck up to a star player, even one like Brady.

All you "you have to keep Brady as long as he's better than JG!" people crack me up, especially when you don't actually even believe that.

Let's leave the contracts aside for a minute.

If you knew that Brady would be better than JG all the way to Brady's end and you also knew Brady would hang it up after the 2019 season would you still be so quick to say "we have to keep Brady over JG"? What if you know he'd hang it up after the 2018 season? What if you knew he'd hang it up after the 2017 season? I doubt there's a single one of you who would say "Keep Brady no matter what!" if you knew he was done after 2017.

The point is that a "Keep Brady to the end, no matter what!" position is ludicrous. When the estimate of his remaining time is short enough you have to move on no matter how good he is, especially if you think you have someone who can be a solid starter for you for years.

If Brady is 40 or 41 and BB concludes that at that point Brady only has 1 or 2 years left, BB would be a fool to not move on if he thinks he has his next man up for the job in house and the alternative is to lose him, even if Brady is still better than his replacement.

He can do that, I will most likely stop following football if he does. Anyone who just wants to root for the laundry is welcome to do that, that's not me and never has been. Belichick has the responsibility to do what he thinks is best for the team, I'm not bound by that, I'm a fan and I've never seen any player in any sport do more for their team than Brady has. Brady has routinely set aside millions and millions of dollars to give the Patriots the leeway to build championship teams, no one does that, he's special and as long as he's playing really good football I want him in NE. And while you can mock those of us who feel that way you are also talking about getting rid of the GOAT for a player who couldn't make it through two games, and that's idiotic imo.

 

[bruce_w]

He can do that, I will most likely stop following football if he does. Anyone who just wants to root for the laundry is welcome to do that, that's not me and never has been. Belichick has the responsibility to do what he thinks is best for the team, I'm not bound by that, I'm a fan and I've never seen any player in any sport do more for their team than Brady has. Brady has routinely set aside millions and millions of dollars to give the Patriots the leeway to build championship teams, no one does that, he's special and as long as he's playing really good football I want him in NE. And while you can mock those of us who feel that way you are also talking about getting rid of the GOAT for a player who couldn't make it through two games, and that's idiotic imo.

This sounds just like the Bledsoe people. It is going to get a lot worse. Nobody is bigger than the team. Not even Tom Brady.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This sounds just like the Bledsoe people. It is going to get a lot worse. Nobody is bigger than the team. Not even Tom Brady.

And I would bet you were one of the "Bledsoe people," I wasn't.