Pats not trading Garoppolo - Schefter

[Ring 6]

That's my prediction. Not getting it from anything.

Garoppolo will be gone after 1

 

[PatsFanSince74]

OK, but so what? In the NFL, every player is one play away from being done, and that play doesn't even need to happen in a game.

Which is exactly why I never begrudge a good player from getting as much as he can at contract time. As you observe, their careers can end on the Practice Field (or on a ski slope or the stairs to their basement).

 

[patfanken]

The bears can go ahead and draft trubitzky
if that's his name lol. The 49ers can go ahead and draft kizer or whoever. Those guys ain't jimmy G

If the Bears go and draft Trubiski, the the only one that MIGHT benefit will be the new HC and GM that follow Fox. Drafting a QB that he KNOWS isn't ready to win in the NFL next year would just be DUMB.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Garoppolo will be gone after 1

That's why bill's the gm and you're not.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's my prediction. Not getting it from anything.

The reality of sports play is pretty straight forward, for most players. There's a physical climb and decline, and there's the mental improvement over time. When the physical decline overcomes the mental improvement, or the mental improvement becomes negated by a lack of will, it's over.

While everyone can see that Brady's mental game is still improving, only the Patriots know whether or not Brady's showing any decline in his physical abilities because, if it's there, it's still so minimal as to have gone without comment by any other team and without comment by any knowledgeable analysts. So there's no use in anyone who's not really in the know making random guesses about how long Brady will play.

 

[Ring 6]

That's why bill's the gm and you're not.

He can magically make a guy stay who isn't under contract?

 

[FCB02062]

From Rapoport on the thought process:

I agree. I thought Brissett was terrible. I just rewatched the Houston game. He absolutely sucked. He was the beneficiary of great field position several times. The only good thing you can really say is he didn't turn it over and picked up some good gains running the ball. He didn't complete ANY passes over 10 yards in the air and ALL of his completions were from behind the LOS to 5 yards.

Yes I know, they limit the playbook, etc., but he sucked. if he's the starter (God Forbid) the Pats are 6-10 if they're lucky. Oh, and don't get me started on how piss poor he was vs Buffalo....

 

[Aßßynormal]

@RyanHannable
Adam Schefter on @OMFonWEEI: "Jimmy Garoppolo is going to be on the Patriots in 2017 no matter who calls them and what anybody offers."

Only if Brady has changed his mind on his NFL future will this be true.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You know he can get stronger right? Gain some muscle. You will be dissapointed when he's not traded. These teams will not fleece bill. I think they value jimmy alot more than you think.

You keep repeating the claim that a top fifteen pick isn't high value, name the last time a backup was traded for a top fifteen pick?

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

He can magically make a guy stay who isn't under contract?

He could still be traded but bb's not getting fleeced. He values jimmy's potential. Just because it doesn't happen now doesn't mean it can happen later.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

You keep repeating the claim that a top fifteen pick isn't high value, name the last time a backup was traded for a top fifteen pick?

Are you clueless? He's a backup with franchise potential and you wanna give him up for just a top 15 pick when QB's the most important position in football. I think you just see him as another hoyer or cassel. Maybe bill doesn't see it that way.

 

[Huckleberry1]

True. My point's that tom's already hitting that age when QBs dip somewhat. Maybe he's a different breed but i still don't buy the notion that he will play 5 years. I am thinking 2.

And you are basing that on one thing and one thing only, his age. And you are completely disregarding everything else about Brady, despite the fact that he has been a top five player in the NFL each of the last five years, he's been getting better each of the last three seasons, and he was the best player in football this season. At the same time you are acting as if they are trading a franchise QB when Garrapolo has only played six quarters in his career. A top fifteen pick is high value for any backup QB and next year is Garrapolos last season in New England, period. They would be foolish to pass on that kind of return for a backup QB.

 

[ViperGTS]

I agree. I thought Brissett was terrible. I just rewatched the Houston game. He absolutely sucked. He was the beneficiary of great field position several times. The only good thing you can really say is he didn't turn it over and picked up some good gains running the ball. He didn't complete ANY passes over 10 yards in the air and ALL of his completions were from behind the LOS to 5 yards.

Yes I know, they limit the playbook, etc., but he sucked. if he's the starter (God Forbid) the Pats are 6-10 if they're lucky. Oh, and don't get me started on how piss poor he was vs Buffalo....

Are you forgetting his throwing hands' thumb went crunch under Wilfork and he played through torn ligaments?

Way to pile on a dude who gutted it out playing a position you pretty much need a functional thumb to even throw a football.

 

[ivanvamp]

I agree. I thought Brissett was terrible. I just rewatched the Houston game. He absolutely sucked. He was the beneficiary of great field position several times. The only good thing you can really say is he didn't turn it over and picked up some good gains running the ball. He didn't complete ANY passes over 10 yards in the air and ALL of his completions were from behind the LOS to 5 yards.

Yes I know, they limit the playbook, etc., but he sucked. if he's the starter (God Forbid) the Pats are 6-10 if they're lucky. Oh, and don't get me started on how piss poor he was vs Buffalo....

Brissett was a rookie last year. He played the Buffalo game with a broken right thumb - you know, the one on his throwing hand. He was basically a totally green player with a limited playbook who had almost no ability to throw the football, yet he had to stay on the field because they had no backup QB, so he couldn't really run around and take risks.

I don't have any clue what you expected of the guy in that situation.

Do I think he'd fare better next year with (1) a full year under his belt, and (2) a healthy right hand so he can throw the football? Yes, of course.

Do I think he'd step in and be a pro bowl caliber QB? No, of course not.

But geez, give the kid a break.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Are you clueless? He's a backup with franchise potential and you wanna give him up for a top 15 pick when QB's the most important position in football. I think you just see him as another hoyer or cassel. Maybe bill doesn't see it that way.

You think I'm the one who is clueless? You're the one who can't name the last time a backup QB was traded for a top fifteen pick.

Name the back up QB who was traded for a top fifteen pick? Let's see it.

 

[patfanken]

I noticed that in Schefter's he referenced "league sources" as opposed to "sources within the Pats organization". I feel that is an important distiction. Don't forget Jeff Pash is a "league source".

There are just two scenarios where BB keeps JG past the 2017 season. One is that Brady has given him an EXACT time line to his end game and it's shorter than many of us think (say 2 more years). Second, and it's connected to the first, BB has reached some understanding with JG as to some sort of extention that will bridge the time between now and when Brady leaves.

IF those 2 items aren't locked down, then there is NO reason to keep JG past this season, and less not to trade him now to gain the maximum return on investment. To keep JG past the 2017 would require the Pats to invest close to $50MM in the QB postion for the 2018 season.

 

[Deus Irae]

He's a backup

Yes

with franchise potential

Well, that's one of the big questions, as opposed to a certainty, isn't it?

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

And you are basing that on one thing and one thing only, his age. And you are completely disregarding everything else about Brady, despite the fact that he has been a top five player in the NFL each of the last five years, he's been getting better each of the last three seasons, and he was the best player in football this season. At the same time you are acting as if they are trading a franchise QB when Garrapolo has only played six quarters in his career. A top fifteen pick is high value for any backup QB and next year is Garrapolos last season in New England, period. They would be foolish to pass on that kind of return for a backup QB.

Keeping jimmy's not disrespectful towards brady. I didn't disrespect tom. He's still playing at a high level but like i said all good things come to an end and i want someone that's more than capable of replacing the goat. He can still be traded but unless someone gives up more than just a top 15 pick.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Yes



Well, that's one of the big questions, as opposed to a certainty, isn't it?

Yes it is. He has learned under the best for awhile now. I liked him ever since he came out of the draft. Still could be traded but i think bill values him alot more than some people on this board.

 

[brdmaverick]

This news means absolutely NOTHING and shouldn't be counted as news at all.

Even if Belichick himself truly believes he won't trade Garrapolo, even HE wouldn't know that's how it's going to play out in the end?

We all know Bill wouldn't turn down an offer he couldn't refuse? (Otherwise he'd refuse it, duh)