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but dont you have to spend a certain percent within a time frame?

another words, you cannot keep rolling it over
The first part does not mean the second part.

(1) A Club may designate an amount of its current
League Year Room (“Room”) to credit to its Team Salary for the next League Year
by providing the NFL with written notice signed by the owner. The NFL must be in
receipt of this notice prior to 4:00 pm New York Time (“NYT”) on the day before the
Club’s final regular season game (“Carry Over Measuring Date”). The NFL shall
promptly provide a copy of any such notice to the NFLPA."

There is no mention of a limit in the above paragraph.

The last part in the carry over section of the CBA
"Nothing in this Section shall affect the Guaranteed League-Wide Cash
Spending or Minimum Team Cash Spending provisions set forth in Article 12."
 
It's Friday night and the kids are asleep and I have some time to waste. A few times now, I've seen people mention that worst case scenario, we bought a comp pick for $1.3M. It made me wonder whether that was a good deal or not.

Obviously it matters who we pick. If it's a bust, it's nothing, if it's a HOFer, it's well worth it. But strictly using averages, we can see if it's even good practice to do so.

Let's say that it's a 3rd-round comp pick, but not one of the top ones. Let's say it is pick 100, what is that worth?

Well we could start by looking at what the 100th pick of the draft gets paid. That's just under $3M for 4 years, with less than $620K guaranteed. So roughly $750K per year for a rookie 100th overall pick. If you factor in BB spending $1.3M to get it, that puts the total just over $1M per year.

Using Chase Stuart's draft value chart which uses career AV over 2 per season, the 100th pick is worth 5.3 points above average. The average NFL career is 3.2 to 3.5 years (let's go with 3.5) and generates AV of 2 so that's 7, so the 100th pick should generate 12.3 career AV over 3.5 years, or an average of 3.5 AV per season.

It's hard to accurately gauge the potential value of this because pretty much everyone with a 3 or 4-year career and a career AV of 11 or 12 did so under a rookie contract. But if we use the 3.5 AV average and project it out past rookie contracts to see what those paid vs. a rookie doing similar. For example, a player who played 7 years and produced 23 career AV would potentially tell us what those last 3 years are worth for that type of production.

There aren't a ton of exact comparables, but the ones we see show that the cost would easily be absorbed by having a rookie vs. a vet. Oddly enough, there are a lot of Ravens on this list. I guess because they have a bunch of mediocre draft picks who were just good enough to get second deals, but bad enough to do little else.

Ed ****son was drafted in the 3rd round (70th overall) and generated 10 AV over his first few years. This got him a 3-year, $6M deal with Carolina. He has probably failed to live up to that, but that's the type of contract one can expect.

His teammate and fellow TE with Baltimore, Dennis Pitta, was drafted 114th overall. He also had a 10 career AV. He signed a $2M tender after his rookie contract, then signed a 5-year, $32M contract after that.

Shareece Wright was not drafted by the Ravens, but is now one. He also had 10 career AV after his rookie contract as the 89th pick overall. That led to a 1-year, $2.95M deal with the 49ers. He would be released mid-season and signed cheaply by Baltimore, but they re-signed him this off-season for 3 years, $13M.

Jah Reid is another former Raven (85th overall) with a career AV of 6. He signed a minimum deal but got cut by the Ravens, at which point the Chiefs swooped in and gave him 3 years, $10.2M.

So similar types of players who are not on rookie contracts look to be getting $2M to $4M a season if you don't count Pitta's ridiculously stupid deal. Even with spending the extra $1.3M, that puts the average rookie season at under $1.1M per year x 4 seasons, which puts the 4-year savings around $3.6M to $11.6M.

So yes, that comp pick is potentially quite valuable, and if we could always buy one in the 3rd round for that price, we should.
 
Third round comps are rare. He'd need a huge contract to get that. Also if the pats sign a lot of free agents other than their own, they may not get any comps.
 
I don't think defenses matchup height they matchup skillset or skill level.
That said Floyd is a weapon and ought to help out offense in many ways if he can assimilate

So why switch to Browner on Matthews in the SB?

I ask because that's part of my reasoning.
 
It's Friday night and the kids are asleep and I have some time to waste. A few times now, I've seen people mention that worst case scenario, we bought a comp pick for $1.3M. It made me wonder whether that was a good deal or not.

Obviously it matters who we pick. If it's a bust, it's nothing, if it's a HOFer, it's well worth it. But strictly using averages, we can see if it's even good practice to do so.

Let's say that it's a 3rd-round comp pick, but not one of the top ones. Let's say it is pick 100, what is that worth?

Well we could start by looking at what the 100th pick of the draft gets paid. That's just under $3M for 4 years, with less than $620K guaranteed. So roughly $750K per year for a rookie 100th overall pick. If you factor in BB spending $1.3M to get it, that puts the total just over $1M per year.

Using Chase Stuart's draft value chart which uses career AV over 2 per season, the 100th pick is worth 5.3 points above average. The average NFL career is 3.2 to 3.5 years (let's go with 3.5) and generates AV of 2 so that's 7, so the 100th pick should generate 12.3 career AV over 3.5 years, or an average of 3.5 AV per season.

It's hard to accurately gauge the potential value of this because pretty much everyone with a 3 or 4-year career and a career AV of 11 or 12 did so under a rookie contract. But if we use the 3.5 AV average and project it out past rookie contracts to see what those paid vs. a rookie doing similar. For example, a player who played 7 years and produced 23 career AV would potentially tell us what those last 3 years are worth for that type of production.

There aren't a ton of exact comparables, but the ones we see show that the cost would easily be absorbed by having a rookie vs. a vet. Oddly enough, there are a lot of Ravens on this list. I guess because they have a bunch of mediocre draft picks who were just good enough to get second deals, but bad enough to do little else.

Ed ****son was drafted in the 3rd round (70th overall) and generated 10 AV over his first few years. This got him a 3-year, $6M deal with Carolina. He has probably failed to live up to that, but that's the type of contract one can expect.

His teammate and fellow TE with Baltimore, Dennis Pitta, was drafted 114th overall. He also had a 10 career AV. He signed a $2M tender after his rookie contract, then signed a 5-year, $32M contract after that.

Shareece Wright was not drafted by the Ravens, but is now one. He also had 10 career AV after his rookie contract as the 89th pick overall. That led to a 1-year, $2.95M deal with the 49ers. He would be released mid-season and signed cheaply by Baltimore, but they re-signed him this off-season for 3 years, $13M.

Jah Reid is another former Raven (85th overall) with a career AV of 6. He signed a minimum deal but got cut by the Ravens, at which point the Chiefs swooped in and gave him 3 years, $10.2M.

So similar types of players who are not on rookie contracts look to be getting $2M to $4M a season if you don't count Pitta's ridiculously stupid deal. Even with spending the extra $1.3M, that puts the average rookie season at under $1.1M per year x 4 seasons, which puts the 4-year savings around $3.6M to $11.6M.

So yes, that comp pick is potentially quite valuable, and if we could always buy one in the 3rd round for that price, we should.

Sorry, but I just found that part adorable
 
So why switch to Browner on Matthews in the SB?

I ask because that's part of my reasoning.
why start differently? It's a piece of the decision not the whole decision
 
Furthermore, many states prohibit Uber/Lyft from picking up from the airport outright or force them to charge the same livery fees as Taxis/Limos..

Here's a good Logan tip I've used several times:

Take the free Silverline bus from any terminal through the tunnel and get off at the first stop (World Trade Center) or at South Station, and take an Uber/Lyft from there.

Uber has to pay the taxi tunnel tolls and various charges at the airport and drivers are supposed to have a livery license. My method is barely slower and much cheaper.
 
He's not going to fetch a 3rd round compensatory pick. It's far more likely that he ends up back in New England next season on a short term prove it contract than anything. Especially since that, between him, Hogan, and Mitchell, they'd be set for a few years in terms of below 30 talent at wideout.
 
JAX carried over 32m from last year. There is no limit per se however teams must spend up to 89% of the cap and must spend 95% over a 4 year period.


Ah wow, that's interesting. that's a pretty crazy amount of money to carry over, but I forgot all about the average over 4 years part of that.. obviously I didn't know what I was talking about on that subject lol
 
He's not going to fetch a 3rd round compensatory pick. It's far more likely that he ends up back in New England next season on a short term prove it contract than anything. Especially since that, between him, Hogan, and Mitchell, they'd be set for a few years in terms of below 30 talent at wideout.

Agreed. A player cut by his previous team for the reason he was, is not going to generate a big contract offer from another team no matter how well he plays in his short time with the Pats.

Teams believe Pats results with players is not necessarily reproducible elsewhere, and he will need to prove himself over a longer period. Since he will be familiar with the Pats system and may understand a year playing with Brady and keeping his nose clean is the best path to a bigger long-term deal, I can easily see him signing a reasonable 1-year prove it contract.

Makes it very worth the claim if that is the case, especially since the Pats can use the healthy body for the final stretch this year.
 
Does anyone know if the Cowboys made a claim?
 
would not be shocked if he is a big part of the offense come playoff time and ends up being the Michael who gets a new contract in the offseason
 
Does anyone know if the Cowboys made a claim?

I would assume that since the waivers go in prev years record sequence, that the only other teams that could have had claims were Denver and Carolina, everyone else but AZ was in front of pats
 
Haven't had time to read the first 28 pages, so I don't know if this has already been mentioned,
but all one need do is watch Brady's first 3 or 4 incompletions to Edelman during the MNF game
to understand why someone of Floyd's physical abilities is so desperately needed here. The only
reason that none of these passes were completed is because that the farther downfield he runs, the
smaller Edelman becomes, until his catch radius is too microscopic to realistically expect even Brady
to overcome it.
It would be totally awesome if Floyd eventually is able to run the deep seams, sideline fades, etc, that
Brady & Gronk were so successful at executing. I'm not going to hold my breath while waiting for him
to accomplish that, of course, but I must ass-ume that is Bill & Skippy's plan for him.

And hey, he's gotta be better than Whiff Gralen, right?
 
And hey, he's gotta be better than Whiff Gralen, right?
And THAT's it in a nutshell. That's what BB has been telling a disbelieving media for 2 days now. The Pats are thin at WR so they signed Griff Whalen, Floyd became available, and they thought he was better than Whalen and so their giving Floyd a shot. And as Bill usually says, "We'll see how it goes"

Anything else you'll read in this 29 page thread (of which I've participated heavily), is a combination of speculation, hopes, and conjecture. Other than that we'll just have to see how it goes going forward.

Just think of the time you saved.
 
Exactly.
I'd think MF has a chip on his shoulder/highly motivated, but it's up to him to be one of the last guys leaving the film room and/or stadium-practice. When TB wants to throw some pitch and catch, it's up to MF to be right there to jump in. And IMHO if he does this we may have just pocketed a real + for the upcoming SB run.
God forbid it happens yet just one more significant injury to a receiver and MF will be very needed.

reading that, my mind keeps automatically substituting something else in there

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