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[DaBruinz]

Agholor actually consistently has a pretty good drop rate. The problem is his drops seem to come at terrible times (unclutch). As we've all seen with Welker, just 1 drop can make a difference in perception.

Or his "drops" led to turnovers.

 

[crawhammer]

Hey everybody, Matthew Slater is NOT a wide receiver. This is just as valid as a WR depth chart including Slater...

WR (6) JuJu, Parker, Bourne, Thornton, Douglas, Crawhammer

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Or it could be one of Wilson or McMillan. (or both with Mapu and Board)

Agreed. I missed that corollary. I expected Wilson and McMillan to make the team. After drafting Mapu, I expect one is cut unless there is an injury. I know Mapu has a torn pec, but he said he would be ready by camp in July. Mapu is probably more athletic and instinctive than Wilson.

McMillan is a bit of a mystery. He was not used too much last year but maybe he was still recovering from his torn ACL? 2nd round pick, bigger than Mapu and Wilson, and we could use him next to Bentley. McMillan has never really shined over his career, so time is running out.

 

[mgteich]

White will be on the 53, maybe one of Jennings or Perkins too, but maybe neither.

I agree with all that you have said here.

 

[1960Pats]

Hey everybody, Matthew Slater is NOT a wide receiver. This is just as valid as a WR depth chart including Slater...

WR (6) JuJu, Parker, Bourne, Thornton, Douglas, Crawhammer

I think that last one used to be a TE.

 

[1960Pats]

Or his "drops" led to turnovers.

One of his drops was a fumble and it cost me hundreds of thousands of Dingle Dollars last year. He was about to get the over on his yardage but dropped the ball a couple of yards short.

 

[Zuma]

QB (2) M.Jones, B.Zappe

RB (4) R.Stevenson, P.Strong, K.Harris, J.Robinson

WR (5) D.Parker, J.Smith-Schuster, K.Bourne, T.Thornton, M.Slater

TE (3) H.Henry, M.Gesicki, A.Firkser

C (2) D.Andrews, K.Russey
G (4) M.Onwenu, C.Strange, C.Hines, S.Sow
T (4) T.Brown, C.Anderson, R.Reiff, C.McDermott

DE (3) D.Wise, L.Guy, K.White
DT (4) C.Barmore, D.Godchaux, C.Davis, D.Ekuale

OLB (3) M.Judon, J.Uche, A.Jennings
ILB (5) J.Bentley, M.Mapu, J.Tavai, M.Wilson, C.Board

CB (5) C.Gonzalez, Ja.Jones, Jo.Jones, M.Jones, I.Bolden
SS (2) K.Dugger, A.Phillips
FS (4) J.Mills, J.Peppers, C.Davis, B.Schooler

K (1) C.Ryland
P (1) B.Baringer
LS (1) J.Cordona

Total players: 53

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

QB (2) M.Jones, B.Zappe

RB (4) R.Stevenson, P.Strong, K.Harris, J.Robinson

WR (5) D.Parker, J.Smith-Schuster, K.Bourne, T.Thornton, M.Slater

TE (3) H.Henry, M.Gesicki, A.Firkser

C (2) D.Andrews, K.Russey
G (4) M.Onwenu, C.Strange, C.Hines, S.Sow
T (4) T.Brown, C.Anderson, R.Reiff, C.McDermott

DE (3) D.Wise, L.Guy, K.White
DT (4) C.Barmore, D.Godchaux, C.Davis, D.Ekuale

OLB (3) M.Judon, J.Uche, A.Jennings
ILB (5) J.Bentley, M.Mapu, J.Tavai, M.Wilson, C.Board

CB (5) C.Gonzalez, Ja.Jones, Jo.Jones, M.Jones, I.Bolden
SS (2) K.Dugger, A.Phillips
FS (4) J.Mills, J.Peppers, C.Davis, B.Schooler

K (1) C.Ryland
P (1) B.Baringer
LS (1) J.Cordona

Total players: 53

Great list. Glad to see Bryant and Ferentz gone. Hard to understand why they drated Mafi and Andrews if they thought Hines and Russey were keepers. Seems like Douglas will stick.

 

[Zuma]

Great list. Glad to see Bryant and Ferentz gone. Hard to understand why they drated Mafi and Andrews if they thought Hines and Russey were keepers. Seems like Douglas will stick.

Thanks!

BB was loyal to the Ferentz clan but enough already. Youth and better play is more important. Moving on.

I don’t like the Mafi pick but if it helps to move on from ThanksDad…ok.

I do think Russey is a superior talent at C then J Andrews. IMO Andrews was drafted to backup Russey when we move on from D Andrews.

Hines will be a valuable backup at G for the next few years.

I really can’t make up my mind between Douglas, Boutte and Nixon. Cunningham isn’t ready at WR but will be a good scout QB.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Thanks!

BB was loyal to the Ferentz clan but enough already. Youth and better play is more important. Moving on.

I don’t like the Mafi pick but if it helps to move on from ThanksDad…ok.

I do think Russey is a superior talent at C then J Andrews. IMO he was drafted to backup Russey when we move on from D Andrews.

Hines will be a valuable backup at G for the next few years.

I really can’t make up my mind between Douglas, Boutte and Nixon. Cunningham isn’t ready at WR but will be a good scout QB.

I think of Ferentz as a backup Center - I think he replaced Andrews last year when Andrews was out. Ferentz can be a guard too. Either way I think he is gone.

J Andrews was a top 4th round pick - I think it is highly unlikely the Pats used a high 4th round pick on a backup to Russey. Russey was a UDFA and if he is the future, the Pats would have picked his backup later in the draft. J Andrews was a high school state wrestling champion - great in short areas, very strong.

Mafi is the Onwenu replacement. Very similar large men. Mafi is a bit more athletic. Mafi was a 400lb defensive nose tackle that slimmed down to 350lbs and moved to guard. Mafi is a beast with a mauling defensive mindset. Onwenu will get paid like he should - I do not think the Pats will pay him - too many other FAs to pay - hopefully a big FA splash in 2024 like LT or WR1 or TE1.

Sow is a RT I think, not a guard as you listed him. At his first OTA practice the Pats had Sow at RT - not a coincidence.

Again if Nixon was the answer I doubt they are drafting two 6th round WRs. Douglas is very versatile being a 3rd down WR like Welker/Edelman, and a backup kickoff and punt returner, so I think he sticks. There is no room for Boutte, but there are always injuries.

I am wondering if the White pick spells the end for Mitchell and Roberts. Roberts is a huge man - I was hoping he would emerge in his 2nd year after going to a Div II school, but White is obviously more talented. Again there are always injuries. Maybe Roberts will beat out Guy.

 

[Zuma]

I think of Ferentz as a backup Center - I think he replaced Andrews last year when Andrews was out. Ferentz can be a guard too. Either way I think he is gone.

J Andrews was a top 4th round pick - I think it is highly unlikely the Pats used a high 4th round pick on a backup to Russey. Russey was a UDFA and if he is the future, the Pats would have picked his backup later in the draft. J Andrews was a high school state wrestling champion - great in short areas, very strong.

Mafi is the Onwenu replacement. Very similar large men. Mafi is a bit more athletic. Mafi was a 400lb defensive nose tackle that slimmed down to 350lbs and moved to guard. Mafi is a beast with a mauling defensive mindset. Onwenu will get paid like he should - I do not think the Pats will pay him - too many other FAs to pay - hopefully a big FA splash in 2024 like LT or WR1 or TE1.

Sow is a RT I think, not a guard as you listed him. At his first OTA practice the Pats had Sow at RT - not a coincidence.

Again if Nixon was the answer I doubt they are drafting two 6th round WRs. Douglas is very versatile being a 3rd down WR like Welker/Edelman, and a backup kickoff and punt returner, so I think he sticks. There is no room for Boutte, but there are always injuries.

I am wondering if the White pick spells the end for Mitchell and Roberts. Roberts is a huge man - I was hoping he would emerge in his 2nd year after going to a Div II school, but White is obviously more talented. Again there are always injuries. Maybe Roberts will beat out Guy.

Round drafted doesn’t always decide who starts but you could have a point regarding J Andrews and Russey.

Mafi has played guard. He isn’t a Onwenu replacement.

If Nixon was the answer then why draft the WR’s? Why draft Jimmy G?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Round drafted doesn’t always decide who starts but you could have a point regarding J Andrews and Russey.

Mafi has played guard. He isn’t a Onwenu replacement.

If Nixon was the answer then why draft the WR’s? Why draft Jimmy G?

Yes Mafi played guard at UCLA for 2+ years after switching from defensive tackle. Why do you say Mafi is not an Onwenu replacement? Did you listen to Perry's latest NextPats podcast?

I don't know what to think about Nixon. Hard working great guy. Didn't make an impact in Y2. Unlikely to make it in Y3, but who knows.

 

[Zuma]

I think of Ferentz as a backup Center - I think he replaced Andrews last year when Andrews was out. Ferentz can be a guard too. Either way I think he is gone.

I think Ferentz is a better G then C and that’s not saying much.

J Andrews was a top 4th round pick - I think it is highly unlikely the Pats used a high 4th round pick on a backup to Russey. Russey was a UDFA and if he is the future, the Pats would have picked his backup later in the draft. J Andrews was a high school state wrestling champion - great in short areas, very strong.

Why draft Jimmy G in the 2nd to be a backup when we had 6th rounder Brady? They obviously liked the value for J Andrews in the 4th.

Mafi is the Onwenu replacement. Very similar large men. Mafi is a bit more athletic. Mafi was a 400lb defensive nose tackle that slimmed down to 350lbs and moved to guard. Mafi is a beast with a mauling defensive mindset. Onwenu will get paid like he should - I do not think the Pats will pay him - too many other FAs to pay - hopefully a big FA splash in 2024 like LT or WR1 or TE1.

I see Sow replacing Onwenu…not Mafi.

Sow is a RT I think, not a guard as you listed him. At his first OTA practice the Pats had Sow at RT - not a coincidence.

Trent Brown was not at practice. Sow is a G that may have the skills to play T in the NFL. We won’t know that in OTA’s.

I am wondering if the White pick spells the end for Mitchell and Roberts. Roberts is a huge man - I was hoping he would emerge in his 2nd year after going to a Div II school, but White is obviously more talented. Again there are always injuries. Maybe Roberts will beat out Guy.

I think Guy has one more good season but he is getting up there in age. Will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[captain stone]

QB (2) M.Jones, B.Zappe

RB (4) R.Stevenson, P.Strong, K.Harris, J.Robinson

WR (5) D.Parker, J.Smith-Schuster, K.Bourne, T.Thornton, M.Slater

TE (3) H.Henry, M.Gesicki, A.Firkser

C (2) D.Andrews, K.Russey
G (4) M.Onwenu, C.Strange, C.Hines, S.Sow
T (4) T.Brown, C.Anderson, R.Reiff, C.McDermott

DE (3) D.Wise, L.Guy, K.White
DT (4) C.Barmore, D.Godchaux, C.Davis, D.Ekuale

OLB (3) M.Judon, J.Uche, A.Jennings
ILB (5) J.Bentley, M.Mapu, J.Tavai, M.Wilson, C.Board

CB (5) C.Gonzalez, Ja.Jones, Jo.Jones, M.Jones, I.Bolden
SS (2) K.Dugger, A.Phillips
FS (4) J.Mills, J.Peppers, C.Davis, B.Schooler

K (1) C.Ryland
P (1) B.Baringer
LS (1) J.Cordona

Total players: 53

Great list. Glad to see Bryant and Ferentz gone. Hard to understand why they drated Mafi and Andrews if they thought Hines and Russey were keepers. Seems like Douglas will stick.

Thanks!

BB was loyal to the Ferentz clan but enough already. Youth and better play is more important. Moving on.

I don’t like the Mafi pick but if it helps to move on from ThanksDad…ok.

I do think Russey is a superior talent at C then J Andrews. IMO Andrews was drafted to backup Russey when we move on from D Andrews.

Hines will be a valuable backup at G for the next few years.

I really can’t make up my mind between Douglas, Boutte and Nixon. Cunningham isn’t ready at WR but will be a good scout QB.

One of these 3 should make the cut, barring injuries and/or a DeAndre Hopkins signing... 4 WRs is a little too light, even with 3 TEs who can all catch pretty well.

Removing (in order of preference) Jalopy, Cody Davis or Schooler and replacing him with (same) Douglas, Booty or Nixon provides more balance between offense & defense numbers-wise... Don't want to go searching the street for a WR after just one injury to that group...

 

[captain stone]

Hey everybody, Matthew Slater is NOT a wide receiver. This is just as valid as a WR depth chart including Slater...

WR (6) JuJu, Parker, Bourne, Thornton, Douglas, Crawhammer

Agree... Including Slater with the WRs - as PatsPicker & Wikipedia do, e.g. - is an insult to WRs everywhere.

 

[Zuma]

One of these 3 should make the cut, barring injuries and/or a DeAndre Hopkins signing... 4 WRs is a little too light, even with 3 TEs who can all catch pretty well.

Removing (in order of preference) Jalopy, Cody Davis or Schooler and replacing him with (same) Douglas, Booty or Nixon provides more balance between offense & defense numbers-wise... Don't want to go searching the street for a WR after just one injury to that group...

I agree about ST only players.

And nothing pisses me off more then releasing a WR that hasn’t been fully vetted for a street WR.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think Ferentz is a better G then C and that’s not saying much.

Agreed

Why draft Jimmy G in the 2nd to be a backup when we had 6th rounder Brady? They obviously liked the value for J Andrews in the 4th.

I assume they see a drop in D Andrews play. I have no real idea - just guessing. D Andrews was pushed back into the pocket a lot last year, but maybe that is normal - I can not remember prior years. Either way, I think most people agree that Mac is going to be more of a pocket passer and needs to step up so the Center and two Guards need to create room for Mac to step up - hence the IOL drafting this year.

I see Sow replacing Onwenu…not Mafi.

Onwenu 6'3", 344lbs., 34 3/8" arms, BP 26; Mafi 6'3", 340 lbs., 32 5/8" arms, BP 21; Sow 6'5", 323 lbs., 33 5/8" arms, BP 27. Onwenu and Mafi are shorter and stouter, Sow is a taller and thinner like a tackle. But who knows. Assuming the Internet stats are correct, Onwenu has long arms and the 26 BP reps is impressive with longer arms. Sow's arms are OK for RT, but at the lower end for a tackle.

Trent Brown was not at practice. Sow is a G that may have the skills to play T in the NFL. We won’t know that in OTA’s.

Agreed but it is curious that Groh or Wolf said the Pats planned to try him at tackle and Sow was taking reps at RT at the first OTA. Last year Strange never took reps at tackle that I remember.

I think Guy has one more good season but he is getting up there in age. Will be interesting to see what happens.

Agreed. I hope Guy sticks one more year, but I assume the Pats see a drop off like possibly D Andrews too.

 

[mgteich]

Agreed

I assume they see a drop in D Andrews play. I have no real idea - just guessing. D Andrews was pushed back into the pocket a lot last year, but maybe that is normal - I can not remember prior years. Either way, I think most people agree that Mac is going to be more of a pocket passer and needs to step up so the Center and two Guards need to create room for Mac to step up - hence the IOL drafting this year.

Onwenu 6'3", 344lbs., 34 3/8" arms, BP 26; Mafi 6'3", 340 lbs., 32 5/8" arms, BP 21; Sow 6'5", 323 lbs., 33 5/8" arms, BP 27. Onwenu and Mafi are shorter and stouter, Sow is a taller and thinner like a tackle. But who knows. Assuming the Internet stats are correct, Onwenu has long arms and the 26 BP reps is impressive with longer arms. Sow's arms are OK for RT, but at the lower end for a tackle.

Agreed but it is curious that Groh or Wolf said the Pats planned to try him at tackle and Sow was taking reps at RT at the first OTA. Last year Strange never took reps at tackle that I remember.

Agreed. I hope Guy sticks one more year, but I assume the Pats see a drop off like possibly D Andrews too.

Yes, there may be a dropoff in the play of Andrews and Guy. They still are good enough to get a major amount of reps on an NFL team.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think Ferentz is a better G then C and that’s not saying much.

Why draft Jimmy G in the 2nd to be a backup when we had 6th rounder Brady? They obviously liked the value for J Andrews in the 4th.

I see Sow replacing Onwenu…not Mafi.

Trent Brown was not at practice. Sow is a G that may have the skills to play T in the NFL. We won’t know that in OTA’s.

I think Guy has one more good season but he is getting up there in age. Will be interesting to see what happens.

From Mike Reiss today:

"Meanwhile, new OL coach Adrian Klemm has a young group with some promising physical traits to develop, which on Wednesday was comprised of left tackle Andrew Stueber (2022 seventh-round pick), left guard Atonio Mafi (2023 fifth round), center Kody Russey (2022 undrafted free agent), right guard Jake Andrews (2023 fourth round) and right tackle Sidy Sow (2023 fourth round)."

So Jake Andrews replaces Onwenu? Haha. I don't think so but he could. I guessed Mafi and you guessed Sow. This early in camp J Andrews has no idea how to call offensive line shifts, so it is D Andrews and Russey. That does not mean it will not change as J Andrews learns the calls through camp this Summer. Note that Hines is not in the lineup which is not a good early sign for Hines. Lots and lots of decisions to make on the OL.

 

[mgteich]

Great list. Glad to see Bryant and Ferentz gone. Hard to understand why they drated Mafi and Andrews if they thought Hines and Russey were keepers. Seems like Douglas will stick.

1) I do NOT think that Andrews is so bad a pick that he will be the FIRST ever Belichick 4th rounder no to make the 53.

2) There are Mafi, Hines and Russey fighting for one spot, presuming that everyone stays healthy. The others will be on the Practice Squad.

3) I still have Bryant as Player 53, a #5 or #6 CB and a backup punt returner. I see several bench-sitters would be less valuable,

4) I must say that I haven't clue what you all see in Harris, and why you think that he is more valuable as a #4 RB than Montgomery.