Patriots Trade For Rams WR Greg Salas

[BBass]

Matt Tennant
Greg Salas
Brian Waters (impending)

Two roster moves will be required once Brian Waters has been removed for the Reserve/Did Not Report List.

Shaincoe to IR seems to be a rumor, and Mike Rodak said they could file for an exemption for Waters should he return.

 

[Rob0729]

Solid enough to be our 5th or 6th option and comes on a really affordable rookie contract.

If you include the TEs. He might be a #4 WR or even #3 by year's end considering he is only in his second year and showed flashes of being pretty good last year.

 

[Finnishfan]

Matt Tennant
Greg Salas
Brian Waters (impending)

Two roster moves will be required once Brian Waters has been removed for the Reserve/Did Not Report List.

Has there been developments in the Waters case, or is it still just based on the rumor that his locker is being prepared?

*crosses fingers*

 

[lamafist]

Why does everyone on this board seemingly hate Edelman? He filled in nicely for Welker in the slot when he went down in '09 and as much as it pains me to admit it, this may be Welker's last year here (God forbid). Edelman may eventually replace him. What's with all the hate?

I don't hate Edelman. There are some things he does really well, but he still has yet to show any signs that he's been able to truly make the transition from QB to WR.

His primary asset is his ability to make plays after the catch. The problem is that he hasn't shown he can consistently make a catch other than with his hips square facing the QB, preferably stationary, and the pass isn't thrown more than 6" outside his body.

Until he can catch the ball over his head, over his shoulder, on the run sideways to the QB, and outside his body, he's little more than a gadget receiver.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Some stuff and some nice pics on Salas in action

Sports Hawaii - View topic - Day 74

 

[Creative Username]

I've often wondered the same thing. While not an "Elite" player, Edleperson has been a good, versatile, stay healthy player. He has been an assest to this team in time of need. I remember him playing offense and defense in the same game!

Exactly! I've been on this board all of two days, but I'm willing to bet Belichick's rings that NOBODY made a goat out of the amazing, wonderful number 80... None other than TROY BROWN!!!!
Nobody on this board has the gall to insult him. The ultimate patriot for 15 years. Anybody who does gets instantly flamed by me (and hopefully all you fans out there who have been watching since BEFORE the 2007 season.

 

[mgteich]

Perhaps, solid enough to be inactive.

Make no mistake, this a good pickup, a wide receiver with potential that Josh knows and likes.

QUOTE=BBass;3126579]Solid enough to be our 5th or 6th option and comes on a really affordable rookie contract.[/QUOTE]

 

[Deus Irae]

For what it's worth, this is from Reiss:

St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter @jthom1: "Salas fell out of favor with the [new] coaching staff during training camp and the preseason."

https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/statuses/241997872864825345

 

[ATippett56]

Shaincoe to IR seems to be a rumor, and Mike Rodak said they could file for an exemption for Waters should he return.

How about Shiancoe to injured reserve, finalize injury settlement, and boot his no practice no show arse from the New England area?

 

[BBass]

Let me add that I am the biggest Belichick/Kraft supporter out there. I know that the gap between Belichick, as both a coach and GM, and the next guy is huge. The record speaks for itself.

However, I wouldn't say I have "grass is greener" syndrome. I'm talking about WR and CB, not the overall picture. To focus on WR, I give you that the moves to get Moss and Welker in '07 were brilliant, purely brilliant. One of the greatest offenses in NFL history was assembled because of two guys that were easy to get when their stock was low. I don't think there's any question that the Patriots have gotten as much out of their WRs as any team over the last five years, or at least out of their pass catchers (TEs included.)

However, I stand by my point that the Patriots are terrible at evaluating talent in general at WR. This is probably because the offensive complexity, timing, and chemistry with Brady. Whatever the reason is they are not good at it.

Since 2000, when Belichick took over, the best WR they've drafted is Deion Branch. Deion Branch? I doubt there is another team in the NFL that has failed to draft any receivers in the last ten years that haven't had at least ONE 1000 yard season. Yes, I may be nitpicking, as he fell two yards short, but the point is that is their BEST WR draft pick.

If you look at the top 3 WR receivers in the Brady era, it's Moss, Welker, Branch. What about after that? Troy Brown was good for a few years but was a holdover from Parcells. David Givens? Stallworth who was okay for one year? Caldwell? Gaffney? We're literally talking about, in the last ten years for guys they've brought in:

-Two all-pro receivers (Moss, Welker)
-One borderline #1 receiver, who most would say is a #2 (Branch)
-A couple of decent, but not great #2 WRs (Stallworth, Gaffney). And just for a year or two at that
-A bunch of guys that would struggle to break the starting lineup anywhere else

All teams have plenty of busts at every position, but the list of failed experiments is very high:
-Chad Jackson
-Bethel Johnson
-Reche Caldwell
-Sam Aiken
-Taylor Price
-Brandon Tate
-Joey Galloway
-Torry Holt
-Chad Ochocinco
-And this is why I say if you add the summer of '12 to this list (which may turn out to be not so bad, but as of our knowledge at this moment, I see more bad talent evaluation.)

*-Brandon Lloyd- I hope he makes me eat my words.

The problem with these busts is that they aren't even decent enough to get on the field, let alone be playmakers. This entire list is just filled with horrendous results. Not guys who just didn't excel, but guys who couldn't even make the roster.

It would be foolish to say the overall production of the Patriots offense has failed expectations in any way, and it hasn't. But I can still make a point that it could be better, and as the whole Pats organization would say, there's always room for improvement.

Ocho, Holt and Galloway all fall into that veteran give him a look and see if he has anything left type pick up. Can't fault him for that because overall that has worked more then it hasn't in the past.

Everyone misses on draft picks it just happens. Especially in skill positions.

 

[Sciz]

How about Shiancoe to injured reserve, finalize injury settlement, and boot his no practice no show arse from the New England area?

Have you even injured a hamstring?

 

[BBass]

How about Shiancoe to injured reserve, finalize injury settlement, and boot his no practice no show arse from the New England area?

That would be a great move in my mind. I don't think he brings anything to the team that we can't find younger and cheaper. I like what I saw from Silvestro and think he will continue to develop on PA and provide enough depth.

 

[ATippett56]

Have you even injured a hamstring?

Alot worse than that. Torn ligaments in my right ankle.

 

[Rob0729]

For what it's worth, this is from Reiss:



https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/statuses/241997872864825345

It could be any number of things though. Maybe he just wasn't a fit for their offense or the fact that he was a previous regime pick where Fisher drafted two WRs of his own in this year's draft. It could be they don't think he has what it takes to be an NFL receiver.

He did show flashes last year under McDaniels. So it is worth the risk.

 

[dex13]

Why does everyone on this board seemingly hate Edelman? He filled in nicely for Welker in the slot when he went down in '09 and as much as it pains me to admit it, this may be Welker's last year here (God forbid). Edelman may eventually replace him. What's with all the hate?

I agree plus he can fill in at DB when needed.

 

[ATippett56]

That would be a great move in my mind. I don't think he brings anything to the team that we can't find younger and cheaper. I like what I saw from Silvestro and think he will continue to develop on PA and provide enough depth.

Technically, the New England Patriots have six tight ends under contract:

Gronkowski
Hernandez
Fells
Shiancoe
Ballard
Silvestro

Six tight ends is complete overkill considering the New England Patriots will at most dress three on game day.

 

[patfanken]

Let me add that I am the biggest Belichick/Kraft supporter out there. I know that the gap between Belichick, as both a coach and GM, and the next guy is huge. The record speaks for itself.

However, I wouldn't say I have "grass is greener" syndrome. I'm talking about WR and CB, not the overall picture. To focus on WR, I give you that the moves to get Moss and Welker in '07 were brilliant, purely brilliant. One of the greatest offenses in NFL history was assembled because of two guys that were easy to get when their stock was low. I don't think there's any question that the Patriots have gotten as much out of their WRs as any team over the last five years, or at least out of their pass catchers (TEs included.)

However, I stand by my point that the Patriots are terrible at evaluating talent in general at WR. This is probably because the offensive complexity, timing, and chemistry with Brady. Whatever the reason is they are not good at it.

Since 2000, when Belichick took over, the best WR they've drafted is Deion Branch. Deion Branch? I doubt there is another team in the NFL that has failed to draft any receivers in the last ten years that haven't had at least ONE 1000 yard season. Yes, I may be nitpicking, as he fell two yards short, but the point is that is their BEST WR draft pick.

If you look at the top 3 WR receivers in the Brady era, it's Moss, Welker, Branch. What about after that? Troy Brown was good for a few years but was a holdover from Parcells. David Givens? Stallworth who was okay for one year? Caldwell? Gaffney? We're literally talking about, in the last ten years for guys they've brought in:

-Two all-pro receivers (Moss, Welker)
-One borderline #1 receiver, who most would say is a #2 (Branch)
-A couple of decent, but not great #2 WRs (Stallworth, Gaffney). And just for a year or two at that
-A bunch of guys that would struggle to break the starting lineup anywhere else

All teams have plenty of busts at every position, but the list of failed experiments is very high:
-Chad Jackson
-Bethel Johnson
-Reche Caldwell
-Sam Aiken
-Taylor Price
-Brandon Tate
-Joey Galloway
-Torry Holt
-Chad Ochocinco
-And this is why I say if you add the summer of '12 to this list (which may turn out to be not so bad, but as of our knowledge at this moment, I see more bad talent evaluation.)

*-Brandon Lloyd- I hope he makes me eat my words.

The problem with these busts is that they aren't even decent enough to get on the field, let alone be playmakers. This entire list is just filled with horrendous results. Not guys who just didn't excel, but guys who couldn't even make the roster.

It would be foolish to say the overall production of the Patriots offense has failed expectations in any way, and it hasn't. But I can still make a point that it could be better, and as the whole Pats organization would say, there's always room for improvement.

Do you feel better Ice. Was that cathartic. You just lambasted the team who has put together one of the best passing attacks in the league year in and year out for close to a decade. So I find it amazing that the Pats have been able to accomplish all that with such a lack of receiving talent.

Seriously, Ice, this is a complex and rather unique passing attack that the Pats use. Some very good NFL WR's have come here and abjectly failed to "get it". Clearly its not an easy offense to project WR success, because its obviously not just about how fast and quick you are, and how well you can catch the ball.

For example Ocho and Joey Galloway where both WR's who had 11 THOUSAND reception yards to their credit before they crashed and burned here. Its not like those guys weren't proven great WRs. They just weren't built for THIS system. Then you take a guy who for 7 years was a nondescript journeyman like Brandon Lloyd, put him in this system and suddenly you have an all pro for 2 straight years. Go figure. Its Clearly not for everyone.

As to Salas. I wish people would stop comparing him to Welker. As of this moment he's the tallest WR we have. Who knows if he can play outside. One of the great misnomers is that you need "blazing speed": to be able to play outside. That's crap and Brandon Lloyd proves it. There is a lot more to being able to play "outside" than speed. Otherwise Ebert would be here instead of Salas.

As to why trade for a player the Rams were going to release anyway, it was probably because the ddn't want to risk him being claimed and the prize clearly wasn't an issue, being that its 3 years down the road.

 

[BBass]

Have you even injured a hamstring?

I have not but I have also never received a 1yr contract worth $1.2 million with $400K guaranteed.

 

[Sciz]

Alot worse than that. Torn ligaments in my right ankle.

And if you had done it as an NFL player, would you have deserved to be criticized for not practicing though it?

 

[Sciz]

I have not but I have also never received a 1yr contract worth $1.2 million with $400K guaranteed.

It doesn't matter what the contract is. There's not much anybody can do about a hamstring injury other than rehab and wait. In three days, Shiancoe can officially start the waiting process without taking up a roster spot. That's while he's still around.