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jmt57

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That Cassius Marsh trade...just absolutely brutal...I mean WTF was Bill thinking...
That was a combination of overpaying due to need, and also over estimating potential. I'm surprised to see Marsh is still in the NFL; I'm not surprised to see that he is on his fourth team in the last three years. Marsh had not lived up to his status of a 4th round draft pick at that time, and did not merit a 5th and a 7th.

When Kony Ealy didn't work out, it potentially elevated Geneo Grissom to starter. Next in line on the depth chart were rookies (Derek Rivers, Deatrich Wise, Keionta Davis). That void is what led to BB overpaying for Marsh.


The Mohamed Sanu trade is the most egregious example of an acquisition born from a dire situation . There have been others with the Pats sometimes being the predator, sometimes the prey.

Ten years ago the Pats were involved in two trades of desperate need; one in their favor, one not. The Patriots entered the 2010 offseason with BJGE, Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris, Kevin Faulk and Laurence Maroney at RB. Denver was in dire straits at the position due to multiple injuries, and gave up a 4th for Maroney - who averaged 2.1 ypc in four games, and never again played in the NFL. Talk about a brutal trade, yikes Denver.

The previous year the Pats were on the wrong side of a trade: a 3rd and a 5th to the Raiders for Derrick Burgess. New England had to overpay (just like Denver did for Maroney) due to their need at the position following Roosevelt Colvin's retirement and Mike Vrabel going to KC. Burgess didn't do much, but it was preferable to having to start special teamer Pierre Woods.
 

Triumph

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To be clear, Isaiah Ford cleared waivers. Flores did not put a waiver claim in on Ford, so I am not sure what you mean by "Flores just screwed BB". You might want to re-read the tweets. Ford chose to go back to Miami's practice squad (not on the 53 which happens after a waiver claim). Why Ford chose Miami we do not know. Maybe the Patriots told him they did not have a spot on their practice squad because they decided to go with Moncrief instead.
On a video conference call Monday, Bill Belichick wasn’t ready to close the book on Ford, leaving the door open that he’d return to New England’s practice squad after clearing waivers.

Judas Flores moved in.

 

FreeTedWilliams

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It was a CONDITIONAL pick. There is every possibility that the pick reverted back to the Pats when Ford was cut.
I think Reiss pointed out that it was agreed it would be a 7th rd pick, but since that pick is currently emcombered by another trade (the conditional 7th they sent to Detroit for some guy they have already cut, so the conditions were not met and the Pats exepct to get that pick back, but don't currently have it available to trade), they made it a conditional 6th that will revert to a 7th when that pick is returned.

Reiss concluded that yes, that pick is gone and staying in Miami, like Ford!
 

203Pat

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That was a combination of overpaying due to need, and also over estimating potential. I'm surprised to see Marsh is still in the NFL; I'm not surprised to see that he is on his fourth team in the last three years. Marsh had not lived up to his status of a 4th round draft pick at that time, and did not merit a 5th and a 7th.

When Kony Ealy didn't work out, it potentially elevated Geneo Grissom to starter. Next in line on the depth chart were rookies (Derek Rivers, Deatrich Wise, Keionta Davis). That void is what led to BB overpaying for Marsh.


The Mohamed Sanu trade is the most egregious example of an acquisition born from a dire situation . There have been others with the Pats sometimes being the predator, sometimes the prey.

Ten years ago the Pats were involved in two trades of desperate need; one in their favor, one not. The Patriots entered the 2010 offseason with BJGE, Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris, Kevin Faulk and Laurence Maroney at RB. Denver was in dire straits at the position due to multiple injuries, and gave up a 4th for Maroney - who averaged 2.1 ypc in four games, and never again played in the NFL. Talk about a brutal trade, yikes Denver.

The previous year the Pats were on the wrong side of a trade: a 3rd and a 5th to the Raiders for Derrick Burgess. New England had to overpay (just like Denver did for Maroney) due to their need at the position following Roosevelt Colvin's retirement and Mike Vrabel going to KC. Burgess didn't do much, but it was preferable to having to start special teamer Pierre Woods.
Until Sanu Burgess was Bill's worst trade. Gave up a good amount for a guy who was over the hill and didn't do much.
 

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On a video conference call Monday, Bill Belichick wasn’t ready to close the book on Ford, leaving the door open that he’d return to New England’s practice squad after clearing waivers.

Judas Flores moved in.


Yes that could be true but it was not a waiver claim, Ford chose to go back to Miami for whatever reason.
 

jmt57

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Until Sanu Burgess was Bill's worst trade. Gave up a good amount for a guy who was over the hill and didn't do much.
I agree.

I also think one needs to look at the specific situation when those trades happened. With Burgess the team was heading into the first year with Tom Brady since going 16-0 in 2007. There was much optimism heading into that 2009 season, but things would go south for multiple reasons.

In the case of Sanu, it was a last gasp attempt in what the front office knew would likely be Brady's final season in Foxborough.


The Ford trade has completely different circumstances. The timetable for Edelman's return was uncertain, and the Pats had no genuine slot receiver. The risk was so incredibly minimal (a 7th round pick) that I don't understand what the issue is with that decision - even if Ford did not stick.
 

203Pat

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I agree.

I also think one needs to look at the specific situation when those trades happened. With Burgess the team was heading into the first year with Tom Brady since going 16-0 in 2007. There was much optimism heading into that 2009 season, but things would go south for multiple reasons.

In the case of Sanu, it was a last gasp attempt in what the front office knew would likely be Brady's final season in Foxborough.


The Ford trade has completely different circumstances. The timetable for Edelman's return was uncertain, and the Pats had no genuine slot receiver. The risk was so incredibly minimal (a 7th round pick) that I don't understand what the issue is with that decision - even if Ford did not stick.
Agreed. Potentially burning a 7th for a guy who didn't play doesn't really move the needle compared to a few of Bill's recent trades. Bennett, Eric Rowe, Jacob Hollister, and obviously Sanu come to mind.
 

Hercules Rockefeller

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You see it now, don’t you? He’s no longer in the team, and we may have burned a sixth-rounder in 2022–not a seventh.
The Bills used to do stupid stunts like this. Now it’s us.

Reiss is reporting a 7th; if it is a 6th all gasps and horrors will still be reserved. Ford lost out to a veteran who signed after the trade. Hardly unprecedented, with the exception of this coming in-season. Little use for angst over the likes of James O'Shaughnessy or Greg Salas, but if there is someone in mind at pick 235 or so in 2022 let us agree to revisit this. Was a future seventh rounder traded for a player and then the player was cut, a move that did not work out, or was it a Stupid Stunt, the likes of which are reserved only for the dregs of the league? Only time will tell.
 

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also Mingo continued to play in the NFL for 3 more year, playing at least 15 games in each year.
And the last year he saw more snaps on defense than on STs was 2014...Sorry not sorry, but you simply do NOT trade a 5th-rounder for somebody like him, especially on the final year of his contract and who will not bring a compensatory pick back here...He was worth a 7th-rounder, tops.
 

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