Patriots trade for dolphins Isaiah Ford [released 12/5]

[One-If-By-Sea]

Indefensible. Period.

He is now literally providing aid & comfort to the enemy.

It is a 7th round pick in 2022. Don't have a heart attack. We can move down a few spots in the 6th round and get a 7th rounder back.

That's really weird to loose a 7th round "free of charge"...

Do you realize that players tell the teams not to pick them in the seventh round because they would prefer to be UDFAs? 7th round draft picks are garbage.

Another pathetic WR personnel move. Add it to the endless list...

Pathetic personnel move? A 7th rounder in 2022? Endless list of 7th rounders .......... Haha. Clueless.

BB took a shot on Ford and Moncrief, and Moncrief won the competition. Moncrief looks like he might contribute which is quite a find for the 5th or 6th wide receiver. I think we are quite lucky - clearly Moncrief in 2020 is better than a 7th rounder in 2022. But instead of talking about how the competition between Ford and Moncrief and its positive outcome, you talk about "indefensible", "weird", "aid the enemy", "pathetic", "endless list". Negative Nellies of the highest order trying to paint a successful competition where we found Moncrief into some ridiculous outrageous weird pathetic personnel move. Even if we didn't find Moncrief it is a 7th rounder in 2022 for Chr!sts sake.

 

[luuked]

It is a 7th round pick in 2022. Don't have a heart attack. We can move done a few spots in the 6th round and get a 7th rounder back.

Do you realize that players tell the teams not to pick them in the seventh round because they would prefer to be UDFAs? 7th round draft picks are garbage.

Pathetic personnel move? A 7th rounder in 2022? Endless list of 7th rounders .......... Haha. Clueless.

BB took a shot on Ford and Moncrief, and Moncrief won the competition. Moncrief looks like he might contribute which is quite a find for the 5th or 6th wide receiver. I think we are quite lucky - clearly Moncrief in 2020 is better than a 7th rounder in 2022. But instead of talking about how the competition between Ford and Moncrief and its positive outcome, you talk about "indefensible", "weird", "aid the enemy", "pathetic", "endless list". Negative Nellies of the highest order trying to paint a successful competition where we found Moncrief into some ridiculous outrageous weird pathetic personnel move. Even if we didn't find Moncrief it is a 7th rounder in 2022 for Chr!sts sake.

This is another one of those moments where trolls and absolute idiots reveal themselves pining after a 7th round pick in 2022 that can be reacquired just by trading down once in the 5th round instead of appreciating that the staff proactively went out of their way to have emergency backups that because everything went right lost their usefulness.

Harry's concussion could have easily been more severe and there was never a guarantee that Moncrief would respond as well as he did. So they paid the equivalent of the one dollar store price for a Miami backup that had some familiarity with the offense through Flores/O'Shea.

It was a good move that cost them practically nothing but had some upside if things didn't go our way.

 

[Triumph]

BB cant be happy about this.

A trade is a trade.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

BB cant be happy about this.

A trade is a trade.

BB did what was best for the team. I am sure he has not given a second thought to a 7th round pick in 2022.

 

[203Pat]

I have been critical of Bill the GM but I am not going to beat him up for this one. We traded a throwaway pick for a throwaway player when we needed depth at the position.

Our last few 7th round picks; Dustin Woodard: retired in camp, Ken Webster: waived at the end of camp, Danny Etling: practice squad and position change then released, Keion Crossen: solid special teamer then flipped for a 6th, Larry Izzo: starter (groan), Devin Lucien: bounced around the practice squad then released.

Not really a star studded group as guys in this group are usually fliers or projects. At worst we missed out on the future Larry Izzo and I am more than happy if that is the case.

 

[IllegalContact]

BB cant be happy about this.

A trade is a trade.

I'll bet he's not thinking about it today

 

[IllegalContact]

the fellowship of the miserable used to call Malcolm Brown a bust....WTF do they know

 

[Triumph]

I'll bet he's not thinking about it today

How would you know?

 

[IllegalContact]

How would you know?

the same way you know 'he's not happy about it'

 

[Triumph]

BB did what was best for the team. I am sure he has not given a second thought to a 7th round pick in 2022.

Typically practice squad players are off limits.That is a direct quote from BB.

You don't need to go to MIT like IC to figure out what BB had planned since he traded for Ford. Furthermore, Flores bit the hand that fed him so to speak.

The 7th round pick really isn't the issue although Brady was a 6th.

 

[Triumph]

the same way you know 'he's not happy about it'

That MIT diploma is paying off for you.

 

[IllegalContact]

That MIT diploma is paying off for you.

heh.......sure is.......I can afford to live very comfortably here in the Boston area and don't have to run off to some trash heap like Kansas

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Typically practice squad players are off limits.That is a direct quote from BB.

You don't need to go to MIT like IC to figure out what BB had planned since he traded for Ford. Furthermore, Flores bit the hand that fed him so to speak.

The 7th round pick really isn't the issue although Brady was a 6th.

Could be. Maybe Ford asked to go back to Miami and there is a plan in place to return the Pats 7th rounder. Maybe BB is being nice to the player letting him go where he wants? He does do that. Flores does not seem like the guy to bite a hand. Mangini is an example of a coach that bites a hand, and he will never coach again.

 

[captain stone]

Football Transactions Search Results

Most of the trades (such as the one for Ford) are of so little consequence, they are not worth worrying about. On the other hand there were far more hits a few years ago than there have been in the last two years.


Trades (not including draft day/draft pick trades)
Date ---------- Acquired --------- Relinquished ----------- Team -------- Outcome
2020-11-03 -- WR Isaiah Ford --- 2022 conditional 7th --- Dolphins --- Never Played
2020-08-09 -- CB Mike Jackson -- 2022 conditional 7th -- Lions -------- Practice Squad
2020-04-21 -- 2020 4th rounder --- Gronk, 2020 7th rd -- Buccaneers - TE Devin Asiasi

2019-10-24 -- 2021 6th rounder -- DE Michael Bennett -- Cowboys ---- TBD
2019-10-22 -- WR Mohamed Sanu - 2020 2nd rounder - Falcons - desperation move did not work out
2019-09-10 -- 2021 6th rounder -- WR Demaryius Thomas -- Jets ------ TBD
2019-08-31 -- 2020 6th rounder -- CB Keion Crossen ----- Texans ------ LB Cassh Maluia, PS
2019-08-30 -- C Russell Bodine --- 2020 6th rounder ----- Bills ------- released 7 days later
2019-08-30 -- 2020 6th rounder -- Duke Dawson, 2020 7th -- Broncos -- OL Justin Herron
2019-08-29 -- OT Korey Cunningham, '20 6th rd - '20 4th rd - Arizona -- used for Bodine
2019-08-12 -- TE Eric Saubert --- 2020 conditional 7th --- Falcons -- lost nothing (conditions not met)
2019-06-13 -- TE Michael Roberts -- 2020 conditional 7th -- Lions -- trade voided two days later
2019-04-29 -- 2020 7th rounder -- TE Jacob Hollister --- Seahawks - pick used in Gronk trade to Bucs
2019-03-14 -- DE Michael Bennett, 2020 7th -- 2020 5th -- Eagles --- 6 games, 2.5 sacks, 5 tackles, 3 TFL

2018-09-17 -- WR Josh Gordon, 2019 #243 -- 2019 5th --- Browns -- 60 rcpt, 1,007 yards, 4 TD
2018-08-31 -- 2020 7th rounder -- S Jordan Richards -- Falcons -- C Dustin Woodard, retired
2018-04-03 -- 2018 1st & 6th -- WR Brandin Cooks, '18 4th -- Rams -- OL Isaiah Wynn, CB K Crossen
2018-03-19 -- Cordarrelle Patterson, '18 6th (Braxton Berrios) -- 2018 5th -- Raiders - 5 TD; 1,138 yards
2018-03-15 -- Jason McCourty, '18 7th (Danny Etling) -- 2018 5th -- Browns -- 40 games, 1998 snaps
2018-03-14 -- Danny Shelton, '18 5th (used in trade for Patterson) -- Browns -- Super Bowl

2017-10-30 -- 2018 2nd, subsequently traded down -- QB Jimmy G -- 49ers
2017-09-02 -- WR Phillip Dorsett -- QB Jacoby Brissett -- Colts
2017-09-02 -- CB Johnson Bademosi -- 2019 6th rounder -- Lions
2017-09-02 -- DE Cassius Marsh --- 2018 5th & 7th -- Seahawks
2017-09-01 -- 2018 7th (TE Ryan Izzo) -- CB Justin Coleman -- Seahawks
2017-08-29 -- OLB Marquis Flowers -- 2018 7th, #249 -- Bengals
2017-03-10 -- DE Kony Ealy, '17 3rd (Derek Rivers, Antonio Garcia) -- '17 2nd -- Panthers
2017-03-10 -- Brandin Cooks, '17 4th -- 2017 1.32 & 3.103 -- Saints
(1.32 used on Pro Bowl OT Ryan Ramczyk); Cooks: 1,082 yards, 7 TD and another 1st round pick
2017-03-09 -- Dwayne Allen, '17 6th -- 2017 4th rounder -- Colts

2016-10-31 -- 2017 3rd rounder -- Jamie Collins -- Browns -- pick used in Cooks trade with Saints
2016-10-25 -- Kyle Van Noy, '17 7.239 -- 2017 6.235 -- Lions -- 2 Super Bowls
2016-10-25 -- 2017 5th -- TE AJ Derby -- Broncos -- pick used for RFA RB Mike Gillislee (5 TD in '17)
2016-09-07 -- CB Eric Rowe -- 2018 conditional 3rd or 4th -- Eagles -- 2 Super Bowls
2016-08-25 -- Barkevious Mingo -- 2017 5th -- Browns -- 323 special team snaps, SB
2016-08-24 -- 2017 conditional 7th -- Bryan Stork -- Washington - voided, failed physical
2016-05-09 -- 2017 conditional 7th -- Jon Bostic -- Lions
2016-03-16 -- TE Matysaurus Bennett, 6th -- 2016 4th -- Bears -- 55 catches, 7 TD, SB
2016-03-15 -- Jonathan Cooper, '16 2nd -- Chandler Jones -- Arizona -- yeah, no

That Cassius Marsh trade...just absolutely brutal...I mean WTF was Bill thinking...

 

[Triumph]

when a team waives a player with the intention of re-signing him, do NOT put in a waiver claim on said player.

That last ones a little tricky, and Im not sure it makes sense, but theres no question that it exists. Why else would 28 other teams pass up the chance to land the rights to a very capable 24-year-old, 6-foot-6 tight end who in three short years has gone from captain of Ohio State to undrafted free agent to Super Bowl Champion and who's only getting better. I dont care that hes out for the year, check out some of the tight end depth charts around this league, and tell me there aren't teams who need Jake Ballard. They all could use him even if it means waiting a year. But no one flinched. Well, no one except Bill Belichick, a fact that only further enhances the perception that this unwritten rule however ridiculous it might be does exist. That when the Giants waived Ballard on Tuesday, they assumed hed find his way back to New York. That despite all the reasons why numerous teams might take a flyer on the young tight end, Coughlin and Co. never imagined anyone would.


BB screwed the Giants by breaking the unwritten rule just like Flores just screwed BB.

The Unwritten Rules of Belichick

Dont pull into a parking spot if someones already backing in. Keep your head down in the locker room, and straight ahead at the urinal. Dont fart in the elevator. On a plane, the middle seat gets both armrests. In the car, the driver picks the music. On moving walkways at the airport, its...

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Triumph]

heh.......sure is.......I can afford to live very comfortably here in the Boston area and don't have to run off to some trash heap like Kansas

Good

I dont have to live around hipsters.

 

[IllegalContact]

Good

I dont have to live around hipsters.

nice.....and I don't have to live near droolers

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

when a team waives a player with the intention of re-signing him, do NOT put in a waiver claim on said player.

BB screwed the Giants by breaking the unwritten rule just like Flores just screwed BB.

To be clear, Isaiah Ford cleared waivers. Flores did not put a waiver claim in on Ford, so I am not sure what you mean by "Flores just screwed BB". You might want to re-read the tweets. Ford chose to go back to Miami's practice squad (not on the 53 which happens after a waiver claim). Why Ford chose Miami we do not know. Maybe the Patriots told him they did not have a spot on their practice squad because they decided to go with Moncrief instead.

 

[DaBruinz]

You see it now, don’t you? He’s no longer in the team, and we may have burned a sixth-rounder in 2022–not a seventh.
The Bills used to do stupid stunts like this. Now it’s us.

It was a CONDITIONAL pick. There is every possibility that the pick reverted back to the Pats when Ford was cut.

 

[DaBruinz]

That Cassius Marsh trade...just absolutely brutal...I mean WTF was Bill thinking...

How was it "brutal"? What did those picks turn into for the Seahawks? Or can't you be bothered to research that?

Heck, do you even understand that the Patriots traded Justin Coleman to the Seahawks and got their 7th round pick back?

The Seahawks drafted Jamarco Jones - T with that 5th rounder. Jones made no contribution to the Seawhawks in 2018. He saw 317 offensive snaps in 2019 and has seen 192 snaps this season.