Patriots need to get more out of Henderson

[mgteich]

now, we will need something out of Johnson.

 

[Ring 6]

Tonga looked better at FB this week. It's only a matter of time before he gets a carry.

Let’s hope not

 

[Huckleberry1]

Thank you to whomever bumped this thread. I can't find the Josh Simmons thread, which is ironic as the Chef's haven't been able to find Josh Simmons either.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Pretty soon Henderson gets bumped to the ‘cornerstone’ category with Maye, Gonzalez, Milton W, Barmore, Campbell, and Marcus Jones. All 26 or younger. Incredible

 

[farn]

now, we will need something out of Johnson.

Or whomever the team brings in. I need to think their RB search isn’t quite done. I’d be unsurprised to see NE spend both FA $ and draft capital to bring in new RBs for next summer.

 

[Toofy]

We need rham to be back and healthy .

Jennings is not the answer and rham value in play action is huge.

We won yesterday but think of it 80% of our yards were on 4 plays - 2 Henderson runs, Hollins catch and Williams catcha and run TD.

Maye had probably the lowest completion percentage in yesterday's game.

Need to figure out how we attack middle of middle or short yardage plays .

Pop , Henry and hooper were invisible yesterday . It was all hendo, hollins and that long TD by williams.


We got the win , but need to figure out how to improve upon red zone plays on offense and stopping red zone conversions on defense .


How is the right side offensive lineman doing on runs - onwenu and Moses. Is that a huge weak link ?

 

[Kdo5]

I loved what I saw from Henderson but will be the dingus who points out that other than the two breakaway TD’s he was largely kept in check and stuffed at the line on a lot of the other carries.

If he is mostly a home run hitter that is perfectly good with me but the team still requires the bell cow back. We could really use Stevenson back asap. Would also like to see more screens to Henderson but that is on Josh to do.

Never the less great game for the rook.

 

[TommyD4207]

We need rham to be back and healthy .

Jennings is not the answer and rham value in play action is huge.

We won yesterday but think of it 80% of our yards were on 4 plays - 2 Henderson runs, Hollins catch and Williams catcha and run TD.

Maye had probably the lowest completion percentage in yesterday's game.

Need to figure out how we attack middle of middle or short yardage plays .

Pop , Henry and hooper were invisible yesterday . It was all hendo, hollins and that long TD by williams.


We got the win , but need to figure out how to improve upon red zone plays on offense and stopping red zone conversions on defense .


How is the right side offensive lineman doing on runs - onwenu and Moses. Is that a huge weak link ?

 

[n1997y]

How is the right side offensive lineman doing on runs - onwenu and Moses. Is that a huge weak link ?

wasn’t Henderson’s first run over RG? So, Onwenu?

 

[Vindicate]

We won yesterday but think of it 80% of our yards were on 4 plays - 2 Henderson runs, Hollins catch and Williams catcha and run TD.

That's the trend for a lot of offenses it seems. What's good is just how efficient the Patriots are at making the most of their chunk gains and converting to scores.

Maye had probably the lowest completion percentage in yesterday's game.

Need to figure out how we attack middle of middle or short yardage plays .

Pop , Henry and hooper were invisible yesterday . It was all hendo, hollins and that long TD by williams.

Pop had two very important catches for firsts, the first leading to our score to go up 14-10 I believe. Again, a receiver can have two or three catches in this offense but they're often moving the chains and then some, sustaining scoring drives. Diggs entire role is very reflective of this. He has notched more than 5 catches only twice since the Bills, and hasn't even had 70 yards in any game since. However, his catches tend to be extremely crucial in pushing forward a drive.

This team is the opposite of a high-snap-volume offense we got so used to. You may even see similar chunkiness from early Mahomes teams. Granted, Kelce could sometimes see a lot of catches, but sometimes it was just Mahomes ripping it to Hill and a few bombs connecting and they'd suddenly score 21 in the third. That kept teams on their toes

Boutte being out is also tough, he was potentially the most clear example of what I'm getting at: I don't think there's a single Boutte catch that isn't extremely important in the games he's in.

This is a very, very efficient offense IMO. And it makes it difficult to defend, you have a bunch of different receiving options that don't have an overwhelming majority of targets, making it difficult to even let in on who's gonna pop off for our game. It'd be interesting to see how Bill would attack this offense from the "take away their best piece" philosophy.

We got the win , but need to figure out how to improve upon red zone plays on offense and stopping red zone conversions on defense .

I'd love to see Gonzo and Davis more in man coverage in the RZ but we are also extremely good at keeping offenses simply out of reach for scoring. The game is a bit different than the final score suggests, as their last score was in the waning seconds. I like Kuhr's improvement from game to game, I imagine things will continue to tighten up.

 

[Toofy]

That's the trend for a lot of offenses it seems. What's good is just how efficient the Patriots are at making the most of their chunk gains and converting to scores.



Pop had two very important catches for firsts, the first leading to our score to go up 14-10 I believe. Again, a receiver can have two or three catches in this offense but they're often moving the chains and then some, sustaining scoring drives. Diggs entire role is very reflective of this. He has notched more than 5 catches only twice since the Bills, and hasn't even had 70 yards in any game since. However, his catches tend to be extremely crucial in pushing forward a drive.

This team is the opposite of a high-snap-volume offense we got so used to. You may even see similar chunkiness from early Mahomes teams. Granted, Kelce could sometimes see a lot of catches, but sometimes it was just Mahomes ripping it to Hill and a few bombs connecting and they'd suddenly score 21 in the third. That kept teams on their toes

Boutte being out is also tough, he was potentially the most clear example of what I'm getting at: I don't think there's a single Boutte catch that isn't extremely important in the games he's in.

This is a very, very efficient offense IMO. And it makes it difficult to defend, you have a bunch of different receiving options that don't have an overwhelming majority of targets, making it difficult to even let in on who's gonna pop off for our game. It'd be interesting to see how Bill would attack this offense from the "take away their best piece" philosophy.



I'd love to see Gonzo and Davis more in man coverage in the RZ but we are also extremely good at keeping offenses simply out of reach for scoring. The game is a bit different than the final score suggests, as their last score was in the waning seconds. I like Kuhr's improvement from game to game, I imagine things will continue to tighten up.

I agree with your points and I am not trying to be a negative nelly here just see some wrinkles which if we iron out , could be really impregnable fortress .

BIt again this season , we were not expecting to compete , and by slinging it we are winging it . Continue till our luck and execution lasts ( deep balls being near perfect and being caught only by our receivers ).

The fear of deep balls might help open up our run game I think .

 

[TommyD4207]

I agree with your points and I am not trying to be a negative nelly here just see some wrinkles which if we iron out , could be really impregnable fortress .

BIt again this season , we were not expecting to compete , and by slinging it we are winging it . Continue till our luck and execution lasts ( deep balls being near perfect and being caught only by our receivers ).

The fear of deep balls might help open up our run game I think .

At this point, we've faced a couple of damn good DCs.

They all stack the box and blitz. At first I thought it was just that they were using outdated information from last year. At this point? I'm starting to think they know they can't cover, so their best chance is taking away the run and blitzing.

Not many teams have 3 good CBs.

 

[Toofy]

With the way Maye is playing looks like we just need to focus on lines and make sure he has two release valves always - Boutte. Diggs, Henry and hollins are great .

Looks like we always need a hollins kinda player and a solid pass blocking running back.

That's our identity .

First two rounds just get either an offensive lineman or cornerback or all pro potential safety .

We will find diamond in the rough edge guyz and wide receivers and tight ends in middle rounds . First 3 rounds always BPA .

 

[TommyD4207]

With the way Maye is playing looks like we just need to focus on lines and make sure he has two release valves always - Boutte. Diggs, Henry and hollins are great .

Looks like we always need a hollins kinda player and a solid pass blocking running back.

That's our identity .

First two rounds just get either an offensive lineman or cornerback or all pro potential safety .

We will find diamond in the rough edge guyz and wide receivers and tight ends in middle rounds . First 3 rounds always BPA .

I think these are your first three picks, to be completely honest. Tackle to replace Moses, Corner to eventually replace Davis (and depth) Safety (to sit behind Hawkins for another year) Next would be a guard. Unless an incredible linebacker ends up falling into your lap with one of those, and that might be another FA signing too.

 

[Vindicate]

I agree with your points and I am not trying to be a negative nelly here just see some wrinkles which if we iron out , could be really impregnable fortress .

BIt again this season , we were not expecting to compete , and by slinging it we are winging it . Continue till our luck and execution lasts ( deep balls being near perfect and being caught only by our receivers ).

The fear of deep balls might help open up our run game I think .

Fair enough, I didn't get much of a negative vibe. I had just been thinking about the chunk play vs. consistent gains myself as something that I’d normally worry about but feel different this year about it. However, there is always room for improvement, which is equally exciting given how successful they’ve been this year already.

If we can start gashing the middle for runs, this team could become borderline unstoppable.

 

[Vindicate]

I think these are your first three picks, to be completely honest. Tackle to replace Moses, Corner to eventually replace Davis (and depth) Safety (to sit behind Hawkins for another year) Next would be a guard. Unless an incredible linebacker ends up falling into your lap with one of those, and that might be another FA signing too.

I wouldn’t mind a late grab for a fullback. i love Tonga, but I’d also love for him to not be our plan moving forward at FB. McDaniels likes the FB enough to use him correctly, which could do wonders to help the run as this OL continues to develop and settle. The run game became putrid when we abandoned the FB and relied on the OL.

 

[TommyD4207]

Fair enough, I didn't get much of a negative vibe. I had just been thinking about the chunk play vs. consistent gains myself as something that I’d normally worry about but feel different this year about it. However, there is always room for improvement, which is equally exciting given how successful they’ve been this year already.

If we can start gashing the middle for runs, this team could become borderline unstoppable.

Here's the thing, and we're all guilty of it.

We were programmed for 20 years to expect consistent gains from the offense. Sure, Brady would take the occasional deep shot, but that wasn't really the offense.

And it was successful.

It's been a long ass time since we saw a slinger play effectively. Bledsoe in the Parcells days, Grogan.

There's more than one way to skin a cat. We expected with McDaniels as the OC, that we'd see the first thing. Turns out he did a lot in his year off.

 

[p8ryts]

Tonga looked better at FB this week. It's only a matter of time before he gets a carry.

He caved in the end of the line on the TD at the 5-minute mark. I hate to see him get overused, but he does a very good job blocking.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Trey is now 3rd in rookie yards from scrimmage, less than 30 yds behind Jeanty and Egbuka.
He has worked his way into ROTY consideration.
Those 3 and Warren would seem to be at the top.
Dart hasn't played enough to be in the discussion at present.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Are they saving the edge run plays for big games