PATRIOTS NEWS Patriots hire Mike Vrabel to be HC

[Ring 6]

That’s a much easier schedule than they have had the past couple of seasons.

8 opponents won 5 or less games and really have no qb.

 

[upstater1]

Actually he was pretty hype on McCarthy based off of the draft grades he was handing out on McAfee's show. However, that could've been underscored by anger with the Patriots, as he seemed pretty unimpressed with Maye.

He wasn't unimpressed.

He said Maye had everything you wanted in a prototype QB, strong arm, big, athletic, but that he was very young and not experienced. He said he could stay in the pocket and shows sign of doing it well and delivering, but in general, he comes off his first WR too fast and gets antsy in the pocket and bails too quick. But then he added that with experience he will do it and that he has everything you want in a franchise QB. About the only derogatory thing he said about him was that comparisons to Josh Allen are rather lofty and wacky.

 

[Vindicate]

No, he wasn’t. He said that Maye like to compare himself to Josh Allen, but Allen is a special player. Making it clear he didn’t thin Maye was anything special.

Huh? We're saying the same thing.

 

[Ross12]

So first off, lemme say I'm not high on Wolf, either. BUT:

Is it possible that Wolf may be open to more input and help? Could Vrabel furnish enough support in that office - from what I understand, is still very small compared to most - to help steer drafts in the correct direction?

And then there is the one hundred percent factual reality: the coaching was so inept last season that development could truly have been badly hampered. We are FINALLY in a position to be confident that there is someone here with a proven history of developing players (whatever gripe I have with Vrabel, he did bring that offensive line up to it's best, regardless of he built it or not). One year post-draft is possible to grade if you have a competent coaching staff. I just don't think we actually had that.

Anyway, that's my way of trying to step back from the ledge and hope for improvement in that area, even if the face is the same.

My understanding is that Wolf would give up final say if it’s in the best interest of the team and he’s not getting some big demotion. He’s not someone who is particularly power hungry, or a control freak.

 

[upstater1]

Funny, you trusted Belichick with the draft, and no one was worse at drafting Wide Receivers than he was. Aaron Dobson over Keenan Allen, N’Jeal Harry over Deebo Samuel, and that’s only a couple of e samples.

But he also had huge success.

That's the key right there. He showed he could draft talented players throughout his career.

Wolf blew a draft we couldn't afford to blow. Belichick did the opposite.

 

[upstater1]

Huh? We're saying the same thing.

This is one wacky world in Ivan's mind where scoffing at proclamations that you're the next Josh Allen is considered daming against the QB being evaluated.

If 10 years ago a young QB came into the league and people said, "He's going to be like Manning or Mahomes or Brady or any top QB" we would have laughed at that.

 

[Ross12]

The news: “Vrabel is hired!!!!”

Patsfans.com: “Bill is stinky, N’Keal Harry, Matt Patricia etc”

 

[Vindicate]

He wasn't unimpressed.

He said Maye had everything you wanted in a prototype QB, strong arm, big, athletic, but that he was very young and not experienced. He said he could stay in the pocket and shows sign of doing it well and delivering, but in general, he comes off his first WR too fast and gets antsy in the pocket and bails too quick. But then he added that with experience he will do it and that he has everything you want in a franchise QB. About the only derogatory thing he said about him was that comparisons to Josh Allen are rather lofty and wacky.

Ah, thank you for the refresher, you're correct. I'll have to look up on what he said about McCarthy; I feel like I remember him seemingly more high on McCarthy. I'm out right now but will check once back home.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Robyn Glaser is most likely responsible for the programs linked to the Patriots that are largely social-forward. Her involvement in meetings was, as suggested by Breer, largely as someone who is familiar with NFL business to be advising to very new people in Mayo and Wolf. I'd argue that the main "personnel" decision in which she probably both offered input and lobbied for, was Jerod Mayo as coach, as they had both worked together for a few years beforehand.

Source: How Robyn Glaser's role changed after Belichick's departure

The main extent of soft-control I'd imagine could be that her being big on social justice led to some of the more socially driven approaches to last year, which could've spilled into how Mayo approached media as a friendly figure, which definitely did conflict with his leadership (the constant inability to be clear, the propensity to put his foot in his mouth), and played a hand in culture development of the organization, which could impact actual player development.

That's about as much as I got, though. I think it's a bit overblown. Even if she has input on Mayo being hired, that's still more of an egg on RK's face than anyone else.

I think she pushed for the collaboration

 

[upstater1]

He dumped on the pick when they made it. Said he was nothing special. You can making **** up all you want but he was clear as day about it.

You hate Belichick so much that you twist everything to make it the opposite of what was said.

 

[scott99]

I think one added bonus this offseason as opposed to last offseason, Vrabel brings stability and a winning culture, as well as intelligence. We also now have a franchise QB. These two things SHOULD help draw good free agents to the team.

Last free agency, we had a rookie head coach who didn’t know his ******* from his elbow and Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe. We now have an established, winning coach, and a great young QB.

 

[upstater1]

Ah, thank you for the refresher, you're correct. I'll have to look up on what he said about McCarthy; I feel like I remember him seemingly more high on McCarthy. I'm out right now but will check once back home.

The same video earlier had him say good and bad things about McCarthy.

 

[Love The Drake]

Who said this I wonder?

 

[sb1]

Claiming that drafting Drake Maye was a “no-brainer” is historical revisionism. There wasn’t anything close to unanimous consent here or anywhere else what the Pats should have done with the 3rd pick last year.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Claiming that drafting Drake Maye was a “no-brainer” is historical revisionism. There wasn’t anything close to unanimous consent here or anywhere else what the Pats should have done with the 3rd pick last year.

Can someone please post the draft threads? I can’t find them anywhere. I’m looking for my receipt.

 

[Vindicate]

Claiming that drafting Drake Maye was a “no-brainer” is historical revisionism. There wasn’t anything close to unanimous consent here or anywhere else what the Pats should have done with the 3rd pick last year.

The McCarthy bug that bit this board post CFB NC was wild lmao. To be fair, it bit the whole goddamn country.

 

[sb1]

Hard to overlook the collapse of the Titans in Vrabel’s last couple of seasons. I hope it’s not a sign that he’s a coach who fits much better with a team that has lots of talent over a team that doesn’t, like the Patriots.

 

[vicspats]

And here I was all set to urinate on my default whipping boy, auto-incorrect.
Most of my favorite soft associates are unepentant knuckle dragging troglodytes

Ya we make for uncomfortable social situations, as long as I’m laughing, no harm no foul.

 

[PWRxWLF]

I think she pushed for the collaboration

Why do you think that? What did you hear or read?

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm all for 2nd chances and sure the coaching staff may have been a mitigating factor. I just dont know how anyone could defend his inability to address the most glaring hole at LT. And if the excuse is "the prospects weren't there" then what did you get by selecting Polk and Baker instead?

The prospects weren’t there because there was a record riun in tackles in the first round. There were still OL that he could have drafted, I wanted Jackson Powers -Johnson(C) and he ended starting for the Raiders. Zach Frazier (C) was also there, and he ended up starting for the Steelers. What wasn’t there was left Tackles, the only ones of note left were Sulamanaia and Paul, Sulamanaia ended up 3rd string, a bust by Patriot fan standards, and Paul ended up 2nd string, also a bust by Patriot fan standards. Basically any rookie who doesn’t start and contribute significantly their rookie year is deemed a bust by this board, which means that over 85% and possibly more of players drafted after the first round are, according to Patriot fans, a bust. Therefore every GM should be fired, because all their picks suck, and they don’t know what they are doing.