PATRIOTS NEWS Patriots hire Mike Vrabel to be HC

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While I have warmed up to him more than before, I will be the first to say: I can't wait to eat crow should all the hype be deserved and he does well. I want that more than to affirm my gut.

For the Patriots at this stage of their development, he's far and away the best choice. Vrabel will be a stabilizing influence and place emphasis back where it belongs: winning football games. Ben Johnson, wherever he goes, will have a steep learning curve as rookie HC -- no thanks.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Not too early to start predicting wins/losses next season!

I think Vrabel will lead this team to at least 8 wins in his first year.
Depending on the OL, DL, WR upgrades in FA, we could get to 10 Wins* with a relatively easy home schedule:
HOME - Bills, *Dolphins, *Jets, *Browns, *Falcons, *Giants, *Panthers, Steelers, *Raiders
AWAY - Bills, Dolphins, *Jets, Bengals, Bucs, *Saints, Ravens, *Titans

That’s a much easier schedule than they have had the past couple of seasons.

 

[raduray]

GI don't think Tedy would bash the Krafts so i'm ruling them out.

My gut tells me it was BB that vented to Bru.

The person I come back to is.....Robyn Glaser. She knows nothing about football per se but I think she was the one who was chiseling away at Bob to a) lock in Mayo b) change the FO dynamic c) move on from Bill.

Do you have anything to back that up? There's a lot of Robyn Glaser hate out there that I don't understand. My understanding, based on reporting that was out there, is that she was there in an administrative/compliance role.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Agree 100%.

You talked about Maye, who was a no brainer. Anyone wouldve picked Maye there.

He failed in later rounds

Such a no brainer that Belichick never would have picked him in a million years. He would have traded out of the pick.

 

[Vindicate]

That's why you should be concerned about Wolf still having a job.

So first off, lemme say I'm not high on Wolf, either. BUT:

Is it possible that Wolf may be open to more input and help? Could Vrabel furnish enough support in that office - from what I understand, is still very small compared to most - to help steer drafts in the correct direction?

And then there is the one hundred percent factual reality: the coaching was so inept last season that development could truly have been badly hampered. We are FINALLY in a position to be confident that there is someone here with a proven history of developing players (whatever gripe I have with Vrabel, he did bring that offensive line up to it's best, regardless of he built it or not). One year post-draft is possible to grade if you have a competent coaching staff. I just don't think we actually had that.

Anyway, that's my way of trying to step back from the ledge and hope for improvement in that area, even if the face is the same.

 

[Vindicate]

Agree 100%.


Such a no brainer that Belichick never would have picked him in a million years. He would have traded out of the pick.

Actually he was pretty hype on McCarthy based off of the draft grades he was handing out on McAfee's show. However, that could've been underscored by anger with the Patriots, as he seemed pretty unimpressed with Maye.

 

[upstater1]

Agree 100%.


Such a no brainer that Belichick never would have picked him in a million years. He would have traded out of the pick.

He traded back when players between 15-30 were rated the same as players 30-45. That made sense.

When Seymour was there, he took him.

It's all irrelevant anyway. what are we even talking about?

Im talking about trusting a guy in Wolf who can't evaluate players with a very important draft.

 

[upstater1]

Do you have anything to back that up? There's a lot of Robyn Glaser hate out there that I don't understand. My understanding, based on reporting that was out there, is that she was there in an administrative/compliance role.

Yes, I agree. It makes no sense that she was making any decisions whatsoever. If she's to be criticized, it's on the Krafts for making her part of the interview process.

I've never heard she made any football decisions on hiring herself.

It's got to be Jonathan or Wolf who are targeted by Bruschi.

This is what I'm guessing: Bruschi heard from Vrabel that his own guy and Vrabel himself will have to "collaborate" with Wolf, and Bruschi is telling the Krafts to stop the nonsense and get out of Vrabel's way

 

[raduray]

Do you have anything to back that up? There's a lot of Robyn Glaser hate out there that I don't understand. My understanding, based on reporting that was out there, is that she was there in an administrative/compliance role.

How Robyn Glaser's role changed after Belichick's departure

On “Patriots Pregame Live,” Albert Breer shares what he’s hearing about how hands-on Robert and Jonathan Kraft have been this season, and what that has meant for Robyn Glaser.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

 

[RobertWeathers]

Do you have anything to back that up? There's a lot of Robyn Glaser hate out there that I don't understand. My understanding, based on reporting that was out there, is that she was there in an administrative/compliance role.

Nope. Just a suspicion.

She is now Exec VP of Football Business. Got that title once BB got canned.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He traded back when players between 15-30 were rated the same as players 30-45. That made sense.

When Seymour was there, he took him.

It's all irrelevant anyway. what are we even talking about?

Im talking about trusting a guy in Wolf who can't evaluate players with a very important draft.

He dumped on the pick when they made it. Said he was nothing special. You can making **** up all you want but he was clear as day about it.

 

[Ring 6]

He was a beast. Can play all 4 downs. It’s a shame injuries cut his career short.

He legitimately could have played any of the LB spots in any scheme.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Actually he was pretty hype on McCarthy based off of the draft grades he was handing out on McAfee's show. However, that could've been underscored by anger with the Patriots, as he seemed pretty unimpressed with Maye.

No, he wasn’t. He said that Maye like to compare himself to Josh Allen, but Allen is a special player. Making it clear he didn’t thin Maye was anything special.

 

[Ring 6]

He dumped on the pick when they made it. Said he was nothing special. You can making **** up all you want but he was clear as day about it.

No that’s not what he said.

 

[TomPatriot]

I think it’s one of Glaser, wolf or groh.

Bill certainly dug his own grave, but he definitely had an enemy in the offices. I always assumed it was Jonathan who was the one who worked that aspect, but you could be right.

I suspect Bill’s biggest enemy was Bill.

 

[Ring 6]

No, he wasn’t. He said that Maye like to compare himself to Josh Allen, but Allen is a special player. Making it clear he didn’t thin Maye was anything special.

Making it clear and consistent with everything he has ever said you can’t compare a guy who never played in the league to one of the best players in the league.

The argument that someone said something and between the lines they really meant what you want to make up that they meant is just an awful argument

 

[Vindicate]

Do you have anything to back that up? There's a lot of Robyn Glaser hate out there that I don't understand. My understanding, based on reporting that was out there, is that she was there in an administrative/compliance role.

Robyn Glaser is most likely responsible for the programs linked to the Patriots that are largely social-forward. Her involvement in meetings was, as suggested by Breer, largely as someone who is familiar with NFL business to be advising to very new people in Mayo and Wolf. I'd argue that the main "personnel" decision in which she probably both offered input and lobbied for, was Jerod Mayo as coach, as they had both worked together for a few years beforehand.

Source: How Robyn Glaser's role changed after Belichick's departure

The main extent of soft-control I'd imagine could be that her being big on social justice led to some of the more socially driven approaches to last year, which could've spilled into how Mayo approached media as a friendly figure, which definitely did conflict with his leadership (the constant inability to be clear, the propensity to put his foot in his mouth), and played a hand in culture development of the organization, which could impact actual player development.

That's about as much as I got, though. I think it's a bit overblown. Even if she has input on Mayo being hired, that's still more of an egg on RK's face than anyone else.

 

[Ross12]

Yes, I agree. It makes no sense that she was making any decisions whatsoever. If she's to be criticized, it's on the Krafts for making her part of the interview process.

I've never heard she made any football decisions on hiring herself.

It's got to be Jonathan or Wolf who are targeted by Bruschi.

This is what I'm guessing: Bruschi heard from Vrabel that his own guy and Vrabel himself will have to "collaborate" with Wolf, and Bruschi is telling the Krafts to stop the nonsense and get out of Vrabel's way

It’s definitely not Jonathan and I highly doubt it is Wolf. It’s most likely guys under Wolf who have been around a while - Groh, Williams, Stewart, others

 

[bakes781]

So first off, lemme say I'm not high on Wolf, either. BUT:

Is it possible that Wolf may be open to more input and help? Could Vrabel furnish enough support in that office - from what I understand, is still very small compared to most - to help steer drafts in the correct direction?

And then there is the one hundred percent factual reality: the coaching was so inept last season that development could truly have been badly hampered. We are FINALLY in a position to be confident that there is someone here with a proven history of developing players (whatever gripe I have with Vrabel, he did bring that offensive line up to it's best, regardless of he built it or not). One year post-draft is possible to grade if you have a competent coaching staff. I just don't think we actually had that.

Anyway, that's my way of trying to step back from the ledge and hope for improvement in that area, even if the face is the same.

I'm all for 2nd chances and sure the coaching staff may have been a mitigating factor. I just dont know how anyone could defend his inability to address the most glaring hole at LT. And if the excuse is "the prospects weren't there" then what did you get by selecting Polk and Baker instead?

 

[Huckleberry1]

He traded back when players between 15-30 were rated the same as players 30-45. That made sense.

When Seymour was there, he took him.

It's all irrelevant anyway. what are we even talking about?

Im talking about trusting a guy in Wolf who can't evaluate players with a very important draft.

Funny, you trusted Belichick with the draft, and no one was worse at drafting Wide Receivers than he was. Aaron Dobson over Keenan Allen, N’Jeal Harry over Deebo Samuel, and that’s only a couple of e samples.