Patriots' Hernandez questioned by police in homicide probe

[Yehoodi]

You don't understand prosecution very well then. It can be difficult to get a conviction and conviction rates are like batting averages for these people. You won't make it very far as a prosecutor if you choose to let your personal opinion of innocence get in your way.

Hernandez might be in some serious trouble here, not because he murdered anyone (i'm assuming he didn't) but he might get in trouble for how much he knew prior to when the police came knocking.

These guys who tried to get away from Hernandez house look really guilty right now, if they are, it becomes a matter of how much Aaron knew; these guys are probably his friends and if he tried to hide them in his house, that might result in jail time and even more likely - a suspension from our overzealous commissioner.

yes but its your personal opinion on the legality of the crime that is important . . . and for the sake of discussion I think the poster meant your personal legal opinion on the guilty or innocence of the defendant . . .

your not going to help your "batting average" as you called it if you try to prosecute someone and come to find out the judge allows a required finding of not guilty (at the close of the Commonwealth's case) , or it is found on appeal that the a required finding should of been allowed . . .

you are not going to look good among your peers (on all three parts of the legal system - defense-judge-DAs) if you have a number of those on your resume . . .

so it is best not to prosecute when there is no evidence, both from the binding ethical requirement but also from your resume position . . .

 

[Joker]

Y'all always say you hate lawyers. Why you always gotta try to talk like us?

You're a lawyer?? Hey, so how's things at the bottom of the sea??? (that's a joke, son...)

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

This statement is the truest thing written in this thread. Everyone who says it never benefits you to talk to the police are totally clueless. Every situation is different so blanket statements are stupid. In many situations, being cooperative can get you out of a lot of trouble.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm talking about THIS situation

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

You're a lawyer?? Hey, so how's things at the bottom of the sea??? (that's a joke, son...)

Fishy.


10 characters.

 

[Nitro]

yah but I am sure you be all smiles and apologies the next time you get pulled over by a cop for a traffic violation . . .

BS, last police interaction was last summer, pulled over for speeding and was asked "where you coming from" my exact words were "do we know each other? arrest me and you can get the answer from my lawyer". He was none to happy about that and I didn't get a warning but I couldn't care less.. watch that youtube video that's been posted in this thread a few times.. study it.. probably the most valuable video that's ever been posted on the internet... Speaking with police can in no way whatsoever make your life better, only the exact same, worse, or much much worse.

 

[lurker1965]

Patriots' Hernandez questioned by police in homicide probe

Patriots' Aaron Hernandez questioned by police in homicide probe - NFL - SI.com

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/347109862909546496

Hopefully he becomes HOF worthy like Ray Lewis.

 

[Deus Irae]

Almost never? There's nothing you can possibly say to a cop that will make your life better in any way, only worse.

I wouldn't even answer a "nice weather we're having" from a cop, nothing good can come from it.

There are times when cooperation is best, although they are rarities. I've been in such circumstances.

 

[Yehoodi]

BS, last police interaction was last summer, pulled over for speeding and was asked "where you coming from" my exact words were "do we know each other? arrest me and you can get the answer from my lawyer". He was none to happy about that and I didn't get a warning but I couldn't care less.. watch that youtube video that's been posted in this thread a few times.. study it.. probably the most valuable video that's ever been posted on the internet... Speaking with police can in no way whatsoever make your life better, only the exact same, worse, or much much worse.

oh tough guy . . . keep talking all you want . . . you got lucky, but I would advise you not to cop an attitude with the cops, they are you first line of defense . . . cause the next time you get pulled over and have a had a few drinks and there may be a tad smell of alcohol on your breath and the cop has to make a decision to run you in or let you go, the next cop may not be so nice . . . . just a warning . . .

and just to complete the circle, I have had the opposite experience with cops . . .

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Not to go all conspiracy but where exactly was TE wannabe Zach Sudfeld at the time of the crime?

 

[SB39]

There are times when cooperation is best, although they are rarities. I've been in such circumstances.

I've been in a bunch of situations myself, and probably a few where I shoulda been arrested. But I was always 100% cooperative and I always went home to sleep in my own bed.

BTW, just out of curiosity and in case you missed it, what type of lawyer are you?

 

[Deus Irae]

yah but I am sure you be all smiles and apologies the next time you get pulled over by a cop for a traffic violation . . . contrary to the "real" criminal lawyers and pretenda lawyers here on this thread . . . none of them, I repeat none of them would be given the "you talking to me" Taxi Driver speech if they get pulled over at 130 AM by a cop on 128 after perhaps having a beer or two earlier in the evening . . .

believe me for all of the bravado here in this thread about telling the cops to talk to the hand will go away at 130 AM on the shoulder of Route 128 with the blue lights flashing . . .

no you don't want to grab a cob by the hand and lead them to your stash of drugs, but a little common courtesy and answer a few simple questions and making justifiable denials can not hurt your situation . . .

The police are your first line of defense and if pissed them off them might get frisky and push harder and find something that they might not have found had you just answer a few questions and kept the cops happy . . .

You're so far off the mark that it's not even worth saying more than that.

 

[Joker]

they're tearing the car apart!!!

run for your....uh...lawyers!!!!!!

 

[BB4PRez]

There are times when cooperation is best, although they are rarities. I've been in such circumstances.

In my experience there are lots of times when cooperation is best. However, in those times at least in my opinion it is best to cooperate with the assistance of a competent criminal attorney.

From what I have read Hernandez has merely stated he wanted to talk with his attorney prior to speaking with the police - in my opinion that is always a smart move. My opinion is also that if those are the facts, than whoever is dropping the "not cooperating" story line is a hack. Dropping a story like that is only going to drive Henrandez's attorney to recommend he shut up. It is a very rare case where anything beyond "no comment regarding an ongoing investigation" is the only thing for the government side to say (at least at this point of the game)

 

[Nitro]

oh tough guy . . . keep talking all you want . . . you got lucky, but I would advise you not to cop an attitude with the cops, they are you first line of defense . . . cause the next time you get pulled over and have a had a few drinks and there may be a tad smell of alcohol on your breath and the cop has to make a decision to run you in or let you go, the next cop may not be so nice . . . . just a warning . . .

and just to complete the circle, I have had the opposite experience with cops . . .

Don't drink often and when I do it's at home so continue on with your fantasy that everyone should be intimidated by cops and beg for their mercy. And I didn't get lucky, there was nothing happening that was arrestable, god I wish he would have arrested me for that, free money in the lawsuit that follows.

 

[lurker1965]

I am talking about ethical prosecutors. All you people who have watched way too many movies can have it your way, but I find it impossible to believe that the Bristol district attorney's office has some sort of nefarious intent here.

I do not know the Bristol County district attorney but I bet he (or she) is like any other politician and if using Hernandez gets him/her media coverage / votes he/she will be human.

 

[Deus Irae]

In my experience there are lots of times when cooperation is best. However, in those times at least in my opinion it is best to cooperate with the assistance of a competent criminal attorney.

Well, once you've got your attorney, things can change. He's there to protect you, after all. Just be sure that you haven't hired an imcompetent.

From what I have read Hernandez has merely stated he wanted to talk with his attorney prior to speaking with the police - in my opinion that is always a smart move.

Exactly

My opinion is also that if those are the facts, than whoever is dropping the "not cooperating" story line is a hack. Dropping a story like that is only going to drive Henrandez's attorney to recommend he shut up. It is a very rare case where anything beyond "no comment regarding an ongoing investigation" is the only thing for the government side to say (at least at this point of the game)

Anytime you don't give the police 100% of what they want and exactly when they want it, you'll be in a position where you're not cooperating, in their eyes. It's really a meaningless statement because it's so vague.

 

[robbomango]

This statement is the truest thing written in this thread. Everyone who says it never benefits you to talk to the police are totally clueless. Every situation is different so blanket statements are stupid. In many situations, being cooperative can get you out of a lot of trouble.

This may be true for small instances but we're talking about a murder investigation. Letting the cops ransack your home isn't a great idea.

His friends may have hid evidence that could be pinned on him without his foreknowledge, who knows? Best to get a lawyer, tell him your story 1st and get his opinion.

 

[supafly]

The search is over. Lasted little more than 2.5 hrs.

Investigators left with a cardboard box as evidence, but the million dollar question will obviously be what is in there

 

[Joker]

Dad was a RI State trooper for 20 years...finished his career as investigator for the DMV.

when I turned 16, he gave me the keys to a used 56 Chevy and told me "you say yes sir..no sir..and if you get arrested you call THIS Person before you say a word to anybody..."...that person was lawyer and later judge, Bill McGair. Bill was well known and respected among all the RI police departments.

The kicker to this story is I never used Judge Bill to handle any traffic beefs I ever got into...I used Adam Berberian, the lawyer in RI who could fix any speeding ticket...HOW?...pay HIM $50 and he would automatically appeal any traffic fine all the way to the state Supreme Court...and they all knew it too.

BTW...my Dad was so straight that he once stopped my mother's youngest brother for going 5 miles over the limit on RT 1...my godfather, Uncle Joe...from the way Uncle Joe told the story, dad came up to the window saw it was him and the two of them sat there and bull*****ted for half an hour about the family and stuff...and then Dad wrote him up...true story.

What's my point?...it's that even today, twenty years since Dad passed on, I always heed his advice if need be. Call your lawyer.

 

[Joker]

The search is over. Lasted little more than 2.5 hrs.

Investigators left with a cardboard box as evidence, but the million dollar question will obviously be what is in there

Tebow's virginity???????????