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nothing bothering me, Ray Ray...what's bothering YOU...why can't you answer a simple question?? You have no problem vomiting up scads of these longwinded pseudo-intellectual breakdowns of Patriot personnel...seems you should be MORE than able to answer a simple question like "who do YOU think IS a better QB and who will END UP the better QB?" when all is said and done....what's so tough ABOUT THAT?

Just an observation, sorry if anybody questioning the great Patriots bothers you so much.

show me ONE post in the thread that states in print that the Patriots are "great!!!!!"....what bothers me is you won't answer A simple question that ANY NFL should be able to offer up IMMEDIATELY...now why is THAT?
 
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nothing bothering me, Ray Ray...what's bothering YOU...why can't you answer a simple question?? You have no problem vomiting up scads of these longwinded pseudo-intellectual breakdowns of Patriot personnel...seems you should be MORE than able to answer a simple question like "who do YOU think IS a better QB and who will END UP the better QB?" when all is said and done....what's so tough ABOUT THAT?

Just an observation, sorry if anybody questioning the great Patriots bothers you so much.

show me ONE post in the thread that states in print that the Patriots are "great!!!!!"....what bothers me is you won't answer A simple question that ANY NFL should be able to offer up IMMEDIATELY...now why is THAT?

Again, you're trying to derail the the thread, if you want to create a thread "Tell me that Brady is a better QB than Sanchez, I need to see it," I'd be more than happy to satisfy your deranged maniacal obsessions.
 
Congratulations....spin number 10,000 by the great Ray Ray... I invite any other Pats fan member here to make an attempt to get Jetfan 1 to answer ONE simple question....I'm so deranged and maniacal and obsessed I've obviously forgotten that I am the Pats fan on a Pats board and should never ask a Jet troll to answer any direct, simple question...perhaps the simplicity of the request is too complex for Jetfan to comprehend...whatever
 
cut sanders and meriweather, wow im guessing one of Bodden or Dowling will end up being the starting FS by mid season
 
Tough decisions are a part of the NFL business, fans will just have to trust that it will all work out. Not the greatest move to get rid of him, but they will find a way, that is the 'Patriots Way.'
 
I'm sure it's been thrown out there, but what about Molden at safety? He's big enough, and apparently he played some safety in college.
 
Re: Pats trying to trade Brandon Merriweather

Because Sanders was awful. That was clearly on display during that horrific game against the lions. Why should BB keep a player who is ineffective?

100% correct. Not sure why so many post "I can't believe BB would cut _____". BB cuts players he thinks aren't worth keeping regardless of their stature or how much our "need" at that position. Is he always right? Nope, but it's a pretty consistent M.O. regardless of whether history proves him correct.

I am definitely in the camp with those concerned about Safety depth, however, DM's play was looking pretty poor. For a guy with veteran experience, his play just wasn't moving in the right direction. But no team would offer even a late round pick for him? Very surprising.
- This move certainly sends a message to the younger guys....
- I hope BB likes what he sees in some of the less proven guys (brown) because I am not super high on Chung.
 
Re: Pats trying to trade Brandon Merriweather

I can only think BB sees Dowling as our future FS. I hope so, the kid has got game.
 
And why is anyone responding to the Jets Troll?

Bin him off.
 
Meriweather getting cut has zero to do with the hotly debated "scheme change." He wasn't cut because BB is going to play more one-gap this year. He wasn't cut because the Pats are going to play more man coverage this year.

He was cut because he wasn't performing and he had run his course here. He was benched at times during both 2009 and 2010. He showed no significant improvement despite his Pro Bowl Selections. He was a guy that was expected to turn into a big time playmaker on this defense and it just never came to pass. It almost seemed like he began to regress as time grew on -- maybe due to a loss of confidence or unhappiness with how he was used/treated or a dislike for the scheme or whatever it may be.

I don't understand how the corners playing more man coverage affects Meriweather so much. Even if they do play more man with the corners, the Pats will likely still be a two deep team most of the time -- can't see BB turning into Rex Ryan or the late Jim Johnson and playing a ton of Cover 1 or Cover 0 on the back end for extended periods. They may be more penetrating with the DL and more active in the blitz game with the LB's, but I can't see BB continually sticking McCourty, Bodden, and Arrington out there and asking them to play press man on their WR's with only Chung as the deep safety. It's just not his style. And just because they are allegedly going to play more of a one-gap/pressure heavy defense, doesn't mean they are exclusively going to man coverage schemes. The Steelers are a zone blitz team -- an aggressive defense with zone heavy coverages. Dom Capers played a lot of zone behind his blitzes before Tramon Williams emerged as a big time corner. Even Gregg Williams does not exclusively play man behind his blitzes -- he uses plenty of combination coverages.

Even if they were, wouldn't playing more Cover 1, what's not to say Meriweather would be more productive in that type of system? He would now have the chance to be a centerfielder and "freelance" like he talked about wanting to do in 2009. I actually think Meriweather would probably be a better Cover 1 safety than Chung. Chung has struggled more in coverage than Meriweather over the past two years.

It's like sayin Ty Warren was cut because the Pats are getting away from the 2-gap 3-4 and changing to a one-gap 4-3. Yet a few days later, Warren signs with the Broncos, a 4-3 defense under John Fox. So much for that alleged theory.
 
Re: Merriweather a NY Jet - Soon to be Champs

Yes, I commented on that before.
Look back to 2003, and compare Eugene Wilson to Ras-I Dowling.
The similarities are eery.

I was too young to remember but did wilson play safety in preseason and such before milloy was cut? Can't see dowling playing safety with barely any preseason time and missing so much practice unless he does later in the year. Could be wrong for sure just my opinion.
 
That answer would seem to be obvious, so I'll just leave it at that.

NE was rumored to have Meri, Butler and Tate on the trading block. Big shocker right there.

Yeah, nothing was unusual this training camp and it wasnt like Meri played with the 2nd team or anything. And, the Pats dont mind if youre mentioned in shooting as long as nobody is killed.

Given that Bedard was reporting that he'd talked with more than half the league, who hadn't heard from the Patriots, it wouldn't seem to show that at all.

So, you believe that BB did not want to salvage something from a 1st round pick that didnt pan out.

Its obvious that BB doesnt like the dirty laundry aired in public. Teams that would want to deal with BB again would be foolish to go public with anything that was discussed with the Pats.
 
Re: Pats trying to trade Brandon Merriweather

I am more upset at cutting veteran Sanders who closed out a few games for the 14-2 team. Now I'm pissed both are gone leaving Chung as the leader with unprovens.

I was never a huge fan but we need experience or else the off season is a loss. Can we grab Sharper? Is Hill any good? A trade maybe? Thank god we have Brady to help with these random cuts. I still feel confident.
 
Even if they were, wouldn't playing more Cover 1, what's not to say Meriweather would be more productive in that type of system? He would now have the chance to be a centerfielder and "freelance" like he talked about wanting to do in 2009. I actually think Meriweather would probably be a better Cover 1 safety than Chung. Chung has struggled more in coverage than Meriweather over the past two years.

Chung has excellent reaction time, tackles well. His technique is better, he spots much better than a year ago and his reads have improved, even from last year to this pre-season. He learns from his mistakes. He's an improving player, like Mayo and Wilfolk in his love for the game.

Because he is one of the fastest safeties in the NFL, Josh Barrett would probably be the cover 1 safety in most schemes.
 
I can see cutting Meriweather, I'm sure that they would have loved to have gotten a late round pick for him, but he simpley doesn't fit the new scheme (not that he fit the old scheme too weel either). He is terrible in coverage and the only reason he got interceptions was that he was out of postion and the QB over/under threw the ball.

I think BB has had his eye on Barrett when he snatched him up from the Broncos last year, knowing he was going on IR. I look for him to emerge with Chung.

I think that you will see Solder play the third (blocker) TE spot, or this guy is available: Chris Gronkowski Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - Dallas Cowboys - ESPN, that could be fun (although he is more of a fullback).

I think that a DE or DT will be the first to go to make room for whoever the Patsbring in after week 1.
 
Re: (Edit: debunked) Merriweather a NY Jet - Soon to be Champs

Too bad if it's fake, it feels karmically right. Meriweather was born to be a Jet.

He was born to be a Raider.
 
Re: (Edit: debunked) Merriweather a NY Jet - Soon to be Champs

He probably jettisoned him now, cuz he doesn't want a sulking malcontent brooding on his sidelines when other guys are starting in front of him in a contract year.

BM's whining about his "role" suggests he'd already begun his brooding.
 
Re: (Edit: debunked) Merriweather a NY Jet - Soon to be Champs

I still cannot believe they could not haggle a draft pick for this guy from uncle Al
 
Re: Merriweather a NY Jet - Soon to be Champs

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, since it makes no sense to me that we'd go into the season with what we have at safety. If the Pats enter week 1 with Barrett and Brown as the #2/3 safeties, I'll 100% agree with you.

This is what I would like to think. But I would not be surprised to see one of Barrett or Brown be our staring FS until they start costing us games. BB might be thinking that our DL can make up for the loss in athleticism in our DBs by by being able to dictate the plays with pressure.

I'm putting my "In BB we trust" hat on because this is one of those decisions that on the surface defies logic.
 
Meriweather getting cut has zero to do with the hotly debated "scheme change." He wasn't cut because BB is going to play more one-gap this year. He wasn't cut because the Pats are going to play more man coverage this year.

He was cut because he wasn't performing and he had run his course here. He was benched at times during both 2009 and 2010. He showed no significant improvement despite his Pro Bowl Selections. He was a guy that was expected to turn into a big time playmaker on this defense and it just never came to pass. It almost seemed like he began to regress as time grew on -- maybe due to a loss of confidence or unhappiness with how he was used/treated or a dislike for the scheme or whatever it may be.

I don't understand how the corners playing more man coverage affects Meriweather so much. Even if they do play more man with the corners, the Pats will likely still be a two deep team most of the time -- can't see BB turning into Rex Ryan or the late Jim Johnson and playing a ton of Cover 1 or Cover 0 on the back end for extended periods. They may be more penetrating with the DL and more active in the blitz game with the LB's, but I can't see BB continually sticking McCourty, Bodden, and Arrington out there and asking them to play press man on their WR's with only Chung as the deep safety. It's just not his style. And just because they are allegedly going to play more of a one-gap/pressure heavy defense, doesn't mean they are exclusively going to man coverage schemes. The Steelers are a zone blitz team -- an aggressive defense with zone heavy coverages. Dom Capers played a lot of zone behind his blitzes before Tramon Williams emerged as a big time corner. Even Gregg Williams does not exclusively play man behind his blitzes -- he uses plenty of combination coverages.

Even if they were, wouldn't playing more Cover 1, what's not to say Meriweather would be more productive in that type of system? He would now have the chance to be a centerfielder and "freelance" like he talked about wanting to do in 2009. I actually think Meriweather would probably be a better Cover 1 safety than Chung. Chung has struggled more in coverage than Meriweather over the past two years.

It's like sayin Ty Warren was cut because the Pats are getting away from the 2-gap 3-4 and changing to a one-gap 4-3. Yet a few days later, Warren signs with the Broncos, a 4-3 defense under John Fox. So much for that alleged theory.

Although I brought up the Cover 1, I doubt the Pats would use it much at all. No team uses the Cover 1 except sparingly because it is not a play that has a high success rate unless you blitz multiple defenders and you might do it two or three times a game. It is just a man scheme coverage. There has never been a team that use the Cover 1 as a base or more than a half dozen times in a game.

But you cannot freelance in the Cover 1. The FS in the Cover 1 is the last line of defense just like he is in a cover 2. If he freelances and gambles wrong, he can turn a 15 yard reception into a 60 yard TD. The FS responsibility in the Cover 1 is the same as the Cover 2 except that he has to cover twice as much field and he must decide which CB needs the most help. The big difference is that the team is more agressive at the point of attack in the Cover 1 sending extra rushers. Typically, in the Cover 1, the safety is the last guy who can do freelancing and he is used more as insurance that gambling on a bllitz doesn't cost the team a huge play.

Even if they stay with a Cover 2, his responsibilities increase in a man coverage system. He will need to cover a much larger area since he is now responsible for what would have been the CB's zone. That means he needs to be more disciplined and diagnose the play and pick his coverage (or provide run support). He needs to decide whether he needs to provide over the top help or pick up another open receiver. He freelances or guesses wrong, he could give a receiver a 20 yard cushion to get YAC.

In zone coverage, he still has to make some of the same decisions but since he is covering much less field and since the CBs are also in a zone and typically no more a few yards away. The risk, reward in a zone coverage is far less than in man. Because if he freelances or guesses wrong, there is usually another defender who can get to the receiver within 5 yards.

To say that it is the same as cutting Ty Warren because they are moving to a 4-3 is wrong. In man coverage, the safety's responsibility chances because the CBs are not playing a zone meaning the CB zone is open in a lot of cases and the FS has to cover that zone. If the Pats stay with a 2 gap 3-4, Warren's responsibilities stay pretty much the same. I think safeties need to be more disciplined in a man coverage system than less.

What Meriweather needs is a system like the Tampa 2 or the Steelers' defense where freelancing is allowed.
 
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