Patriots are signing WR Michael Jenkins

[Texxx]

If this guy was signing on the Jets or the Broncos people on this site would be laughing at this signing.

But since he is signing with the Pats, there is all of this positive talk and upside to this guy? Lol!

Who are some of you guys fooling here? This signing does nothing. Jenkins has been trash his entire career.

The Pats have done nothing to upgrade their WR situation even with all that cap room after BRady restructured. They've barely made the defense any better.

BB is the most overrated GM in the league. THe guy has made a reputation purely off of Brady's greatness as a QB the last 6 years or so. The Patriots organization most likely will never win another SB until BB is replaced as a GM. Great coach, terrible GM.

 

[Brady6]

If this guy was signing on the Jets or the Broncos people on this site would be laughing at this signing.

But since he is signing with the Pats, there is all of this positive talk and upside to this guy? Lol!

Who are some of you guys fooling here? This signing does nothing. Jenkins has been trash his entire career.

The Pats have done nothing to upgrade their WR situation even with all that cap room after BRady restructured. They've barely made the defense any better.

BB is the most overrated GM in the league. THe guy has made a reputation purely off of Brady's greatness as a QB the last 6 years or so. The Patriots organization most likely will never win another SB until BB is replaced as a GM. Great coach, terrible GM.

I see know upside but I see him as a great signing to for insurance if the 2 WR we draft in rounds 1 & 3 fail.

 

[hwc]

Who are some of you guys fooling here? This signing does nothing. Jenkins has been trash his entire career.

I must havea different yardstick. Seems like to me that a guy who has played in the NFL for ten seasons, averaging a consistent 40 catches a year (not counting his rookie year when he didn't play) is hardly "trash". That seems like a solid, reliable NFL contributor. Franchise player? No. But, it's a 53 man roster. You want all the solid reliable 10 year contributor- caliber players you can get.

 

[BradyFTW!]

If this guy was signing on the Jets or the Broncos people on this site would be laughing at this signing.

But since he is signing with the Pats, there is all of this positive talk and upside to this guy? Lol!

Who are some of you guys fooling here? This signing does nothing. Jenkins has been trash his entire career.

The Pats have done nothing to upgrade their WR situation even with all that cap room after BRady restructured. They've barely made the defense any better.

BB is the most overrated GM in the league. THe guy has made a reputation purely off of Brady's greatness as a QB the last 6 years or so. The Patriots organization most likely will never win another SB until BB is replaced as a GM. Great coach, terrible GM.

Pretty much everything in this post is wrong, but let's start by pointing out the part that's actually relevant to this thread: nobody thinks Jenkins is going to come here and be a #1 receiver. If he can present Brady with a big target outside the numbers and beat single coverage with something vaguely resembling consistency, then he'll be a contributor who will help space out the defense. That's basically his ceiling, and we all know and are fine with that. You're just arguing against a straw man.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I see it breaking down as this.

Base 4-3

LDE - Armstead, Bequette
3DT - Draft/UFA, Deaderick
1DT - Wilfork, Love
RDE - Jones, Francis/Cunningham

Nickel

LE - Ninkovich, Benard/Vega
DT - Armstead, Bequette
DT - Wilfork, Draft/UFA
RE - Jones, Francis/Cunningham

So we agree when it comes of the sub packages I just envision use going back to a 4-3 under like we ran in 2011-12 with the LDE as a 5-technique allowing the SAM which will be Hightower and Ninkovich to rush the passer or drop into coverage. That scheme also allows the RDE to be able to rush the passer without having to much of a run stoping assignment which will allow Jones to be free like Carter was a lot of the time.

I think that the league's moved past that being a valid defensive strategy, as nowadays you need more than one defender who is a threat to generate pressure on the QB. The Pats tried something like what you're talking about in 2011, and it just didn't work. Granted, Shaun Ellis had nothing at all left in the tank, but it even went beyond that. The pass/run ratio league-wide is so far skewed that you simply have to be able to get pressure with your base defense. It's no longer optional, and the Pats have suffered greatly from having this deficiency for several years now.

 

[manxman2601]

I must havea different yardstick. Seems like to me that a guy who has played in the NFL for ten seasons, averaging a consistent 40 catches a year (not counting his rookie year when he didn't play) is hardly "trash". That seems like a solid, reliable NFL contributor. Franchise player? No. But, it's a 53 man roster. You want all the solid reliable 10 year contributor- caliber players you can get.

This, this and every day this.

 

[Brady6]

I think that the league's moved past that being a valid defensive strategy, as nowadays you need more than one defender who is a threat to generate pressure on the QB. The Pats tried something like what you're talking about in 2011, and it just didn't work. Granted, Shaun Ellis had nothing at all left in the tank, but it even went beyond that. The pass/run ratio league-wide is so far skewed that you simply have to be able to get pressure with your base defense. It's no longer optional, and the Pats have suffered greatly from having this deficiency for several years now.

Seattle uses Red Bryant at LDE, Denver used Wolfe at LDE both top 5 defense. It just takes a good LDE and SAM and its actually the best front for the run and pass in base fronts.

 

[Deus Irae]

...The Pats have done nothing to upgrade their WR situation even with all that cap room after BRady restructured. They've barely made the defense any better.

Valid point, and I think it's fair to say that the Patriots have had a lousy offseason so far, particularly in comparison to what it might have been. There's still a lot of time to go before camp, though, and the team really only had a few true "holes" to start with. Time will tell us whether they're able to fix them or not.

 

[Coach42]

Valid point, and I think it's fair to say that the Patriots have had a lousy offseason so far, particularly in comparison to what it might have been. There's still a lot of time to go before camp, though, and the team really only had a few true "holes" to start with. Time will tell us whether they're able to fix them or not.

Lousy seems harsh. It certainly hasn't been spectacular to this point but it could have been much worse. Imagine losing out on Talib, welker, vollmer, and ammendola. THAT's lousy.

 

[supafly]

Lousy seems harsh. It certainly hasn't been spectacular to this point but it could have been much worse. Imagine losing out on Talib, welker, vollmer, and ammendola. THAT's lousy.

I think they did okay when assuming the fact that they had a limited number of holes, as Deus points out, combined with the idea that we kept all 3 of the bigger 3 names (with a swap for Amendola since that's what Belichick wanted--but it certainly shouldn't be considered "losing out" on Welker).

I'd never have thought that it'd have been reasonable to think that we could have actually kept those bigger names in addition to giving Amendola the money that most assumed going to Welker.

On top of that they kept all 3 CB's in Talib, Arrington, and Cole (for ST), and addressed the need for a safety too.

They also have been careful of their future financial implications and also still have 13+ million remaining in room.

 

[hwc]

Valid point, and I think it's fair to say that the Patriots have had a lousy offseason so far, particularly in comparison to what it might have been.

I don't know. Seems to me that the biggest challenge of the off-season was dealing with the Wes Welker situation and an agent (or player/agent) with panties in a bunch after being "disrespected" with a $9 million franchise tag and determined to go to free agency.

The fact that there was an ideal replacement (skill set, production, age) coming on the market and that the Pats were able to get him on a five year deal makes this a strong off-season so far.

Imagine if they had screwed around, watched Welker leave and not moved quickly enough to get Amendola? Now, that would really suck...

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Assuming he's healthy enough to play, the Vollmer signing was good. IMO, signing Talib was terrific. A one-year deal is fine. The vets they are bringing in (solid production, reliable, low cost) seem like sensible moves. As Belichick always says, their role on the team (if any) will sort itself out.

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I haven't seen a lot of high value free agents being signed. For the most part, they are either big dollar deals for old players or bad teams trading free agents like they always do (part of the reason they are bad teams). It's easy to say that the Pats should have signed Freeney or whatever... But, signed him at $6 million a year? Not in this market.

 

[supafly]

I don't know. Seems to me that the biggest challenge of the off-season was dealing with the Wes Welker situation and an agent (or player/agent) with panties in a bunch after being "disrespected" with a $9 million franchise tag and determined to go to free agency.

The fact that there was an ideal replacement (skill set, production, age) coming on the market and that the Pats were able to get him on a five year deal makes this a strong off-season so far.

Imagine if they had screwed around, watched Welker leave and not moved quickly enough to get Amendola? Now, that would really suck...

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Assuming he's healthy enough to play, the Vollmer signing was good. IMO, signing Talib was terrific. A one-year deal is fine.

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I haven't seen a lot of high value free agents being signed. For the most part, they are either big dollar deals for old players or bad teams trading free agents like they always do (part of the reason they are bad teams). It's easy to say that the Pats should have signed Freeney or whatever... But, signed him at $6 million a year? Not in this market.

I can respect Deus' comments since the expectations were a bit higher due to the recent Brady extension which freed up additional money. That was really the factor that led many to believe that we were making big moves etc. Prior to that we would've all been happy with retaining 2/3 of the bigger named free agents, let alone Arrington etc.

When you take that into account and also the fact that we seem to be rather close to being on top again, I find it fairly reasonable to accept BOTH stances regarding our free agency haul. Personally I lean towards the side that says that we have done just fine, and if a pass rusher were brought in I'd change my answer to "good." I can certainly see the point from the other side of the coin though, as people's expectations were fairly high to bring in a couple/few bigger named players to push us over the top. The loss of Llyod didn't help to ease any minds either for our glaring current hole at WR.

One thing I try to remember is that the bulk of the team building philosophy is made via the draft and retaining our own FA's. Free agency itself is meant more to patch up holes with a couple/few additions from outside. That's one of the reasons why the consistently successful teams tend to shy away from bigger moves in the FA period, along with the obvious market and salary cap implications.

 

[BritPat]

Most posters here do not take PFF seriously, and with good reason. PFF has done a great job getting itself publicity, mainly by appealing to Peter King's ignorance and then riding his coattails, but the results are consistently wrong. Not just kinda wrong, either - 'back-to-the-drawing-board' wrong.

I'd also have to disagree with anyone who seriously projects Donald Jones as a potential #1. It's probably 50/50 that he even makes the team.

Amen dude, Amen. Their entire grading system is flawed. The stats are pretty good, but I'd stay well away from everything else.

 

[Triumph]

If this guy was signing on the Jets or the Broncos people on this site would be laughing at this signing.

But since he is signing with the Pats, there is all of this positive talk and upside to this guy? Lol!

Who are some of you guys fooling here? This signing does nothing. Jenkins has been trash his entire career.

The Pats have done nothing to upgrade their WR situation even with all that cap room after BRady restructured. They've barely made the defense any better.

BB is the most overrated GM in the league. THe guy has made a reputation purely off of Brady's greatness as a QB the last 6 years or so. The Patriots organization most likely will never win another SB until BB is replaced as a GM. Great coach, terrible GM.

Try on a pair of these jewels. Everything is beautiful.

 

[BPF]

He has size and a bit of talent. I like the signing, personally. He could actually stick and provide something valuable. Even if he doesn't, he's worth a training camp roster spot for however long it will take to determine his value.

I agree with this take, let's see what he does in camp. Why the rush to see where he's going to fit now? The guy has been a solid player, his stats aren't spectacular but very solid and he makes clutch plays for his teams in Atl & Min. Caught go ahead TD in reg season game last yr that clinced W/playoffs for Min and also caught a TD in playoff game. For a slow guy he sure has made some long receptions in his career. He did that quite a bit with Matty Ryan, Ponder is not a QB who can throw 20 yd passes and be counted on deep. Min O was all short stuff. Jenkins is a big, physical guy with good hands. He is a good route runner and has deceptive speed, was 4.46 guy coming out he's not that now but he can and has made big plays down the field. He has length & strength which is something Pats haven't had at WR and if healthy he has a chance to stick.

 

[AzPatsFan]

If this guy was signing on the Jets or the Broncos people on this site would be laughing at this signing.

But since he is signing with the Pats, there is all of this positive talk and upside to this guy? Lol!

Who are some of you guys fooling here? This signing does nothing. Jenkins has been trash his entire career.

The Pats have done nothing to upgrade their WR situation even with all that cap room after BRady restructured. They've barely made the defense any better.

BB is the most overrated GM in the league. THe guy has made a reputation purely off of Brady's greatness as a QB the last 6 years or so. The Patriots organization most likely will never win another SB until BB is replaced as a GM. Great coach, terrible GM.

Please don't post until you know what you're saying.

 

[Rob0729]

Wow! The Pats really overpaid for Jenkins. Stupid move by the Pats, if they cut him in the preseason it looks like they may be on the hook for a $15k cap hit. Too much risk.

Michael Jenkins' one-year contract with the Patriots has a max value of $855,000 and includes no guaranteed money.

He didn't even get a signing bonus. Jenkins can earn $15,000 by reporting to offseason workouts, but will have to win a roster spot in training camp before locking in his $840,000 base salary. If the Pats see anything they don't like from Jenkins in the offseason or training camp, they can release the 31-year-old essentially free of charge. He'll be squarely on the roster bubble. Apr 1 - 4:43 PM

Michael Jenkins - New England Patriots - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Wow! The Pats really overpaid for Jenkins. Stupid move by the Pats, if they cut him in the preseason it looks like they may be on the hook for a $15k cap hit. Too much risk.



Michael Jenkins - New England Patriots - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

Low risk, high reward! Lets hope he can contribute than be a camp fodder!

 

[Drake&BarmoreFTW]

Please don't post until you know what you're saying.

Amen to that.

 

[Rob0729]

Also:

Jenkins' cap hit is $570,000.

https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/318826195003273217