PatFanKen Where Art Thou?

[Clonamery]

If you all miss PFK posts I would recommend similar reads such as the phone book and also the encyclopedia. Some of you really should read the Bible too

It's not Ken's fault that he learned how to construct a sentence and a paragraph in grade school and remembers it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You are right I was saying if they somehow fell out of the top five which I don't think is possible. So I agree in this case if they can get a qb go for it. It still doesn't guarantee he will be good, but it is the best you can do.

There’s no guarantees, but if you look at the best QB’s, particularly in the AFC, they are all high picks. The position is so integral to winning that I would be fine with taking a QB in the first every year until they find one of Mahomes caliber.

Anyone remember this offseason when @patfanken and @Ring 6 argued that Bill purposely brought in Patricia, knowing he’d fail, resulting in a limited tenure, as a 4D chess move so he could bring in Bill O’Brien? All part of the master plan.

I don’t think Belichick expected Patricia to fail, but I think he decided to go with someone on his staff for a season because he wanted to hire O’Brien, and didn’t want to hire an OC from outside that he would have to fire to bring O’Brien in. Belichick has always believed ( and it’s hubris on his part) that a football coach can coach whatever they are asked to coach, and believed that was true with Patricia. If you look at the crossover duties of his staff over the years you see that he has done it repeatedly. MacDaniels started out coaching defensive backs and ended up the OC, Belichick started out coaching special teams before becoming a defensive coordinator. I think he believed Patricia and Judge, with his oversight could get it done, but he couldn’t have been more wrong. That said O’Brien hasn’t done any better, as their QB room has deteriorated to the worst in the NFL.

 

[PATS16N0]

All I know is I posted at the beginning of our 2022 season saying Mac Jones is hot garbage + fools gold + ****ing trash, then I accurately predicted our season and accurately predicted when our season would be over and accurately predicted our W’s and L’s and they were all deleted and I was locked out of threads because of some nu-male beta-energy wanting to _enforce_ the “MaC cEiLiNg” narrative.

This was after Brady-hate was encouraged and fostered for ****ing years.

Was like the up-is-down left-is-right Soviet Union. Having state-sponsored narratives enforced on ****ing football forums is a recipe for killing it. Who cares if someone posts “he sucks he sucks he sucks.”

He does suck. He did suck. He will suck.

The “he sucks he sucks he sucks” crowd were wildly more accurate than the ‘let me just write this forum novel that isn’t even a good read on why Mac’s awesome’ crowd.

 

[PATS16N0]

Everyone who liked Mac Jones should have had all their posts deleted and be locked out of threads for contributing to WTF we had to watch this year.

Very early on in THIS YEAR I posted about how Mac Jones is always throwing WTF passes off his back foot when pressured, and I was met with a million mother ****ers telling me that’s wrong and ******ed and not true, then three weeks later the very same observation was making its rounds on ALL the national television panels.

Pressure. Backfoot. WTF. Interception.

There’s a crew of people here who vainly believe they’re expert football analysts, and think each other are expert football analysts, when in fact they’re all ****ing ******ed.

 

[venecol]

Good morning to my 2-10 team!

I agree with the above from @PATS16N0 . There's been this crew that since Brady left has done nothing but attempt to silence any criticism of the team due to it being an indirect attack on Bill. There are posters that actually still believe that the team will be perfectly fine with Bill moving forward because $100M and top draft picks. Lol

Ian says we should remain objectively positive but continues to ignore the reality of what's been happening to the team under the 71 yo GM/HC. The belief that Bill still has it despite dozens of obvious warning signs that he's lost it, because "Bill is still a great coach that can beat anyone," has to be the most subjective narrative in this forum. Yet, it gets repeated over and over again un-challenged. But repeat actual facts like the above 2 posts say, and it's an excuse for banishment.

Bill Belichick, the greatest coach evah just lost to Brandon ****ing Staley, one of the worse coaches in the NFL. McDaniel, a 2nd yr coach owns Bill. He never beat Josh, who sucked so bad as a HC, he got fired before his 2nd year was complete. All of these are facts. Yet, it'll be painted as: you're repeating it over and over.

This is a football forum. Everything is repeated over and over. Everything! You guys just want happy talk repeated and real concerns squashed. Ken was one of those that admonished posters for questioning "the coaches."

 

[BTTA]

All I know is I posted at the beginning of our 2022 season saying Mac Jones is hot garbage + fools gold + ****ing trash, then I accurately predicted our season and accurately predicted when our season would be over and accurately predicted our W’s and L’s and they were all deleted and I was locked out of threads because of some nu-male beta-energy wanting to _enforce_ the “MaC cEiLiNg” narrative.

I absolutely guarantee you that you were not locked out of any conversation here because of what you professed about the coach, QB, or team. Ian doesn't do that.

If you were locked out, it is solely because of how you expressed yourself.

These two things are entirely different. Posters who do not understand this distinction and constantly play a victim card is the most tiresome aspect of Patsfans. They double down on their destructiveness.

The freedom to express viewpoints that Ian kindly grants us here is not license to do so in a manner that's destructive to the quality of the conversation, and in a manner that discourages others from participating. Ian and the mods are the evaluators of all that.

And speaking to your point, this confusion about freedoms does seem to get locked up in the insecurities of guys about their masculinity and general identity. There are predatory belief systems out there (like "alpha/beta") that prey on that insecurity and create more of it. All that free floating anger and self loathing gets redirected into conversations about a sports team. Those conversations take on an importance that, if viewed from some distance, become comical.

I've been concerned about the decision making on the Pats every since Belichick started hiring his family members. That's always a sign of compromised thinking for me, in any organization. It inevitably leads to lesser results. But what the heck, the guy has been a key part of creating much celebration and joy for us Patsfans, so I was willing to see how it played out. At this point, seems like the party is over. So be it. On to the next one. I just hope he can leave with some dignity, and we can all focus on the contributions over the long term.

 

[PATS16N0]

I absolutely guarantee you that you were not locked out of any conversation here because of what you professed about the coach, QB, or team. Ian doesn't do that.

If you were locked out, it is solely because of how you expressed yourself.

These two things are entirely different. Posters who do not understand this distinction and constantly play a victim card is the most tiresome aspect of Patsfans. They double down on their destructiveness.

The freedom to express viewpoints that Ian kindly grants us here is not license to do so in a manner that's destructive to the quality of the conversation, and in a manner that discourages others from participating. Ian and the mods are the evaluators of all that.

And speaking to your point, this confusion about freedoms does seem to get locked up in the insecurities of guys about their masculinity and general identity. There are predatory belief systems out there (like "alpha/beta") that prey on that insecurity and create more of it. All that free floating anger and self loathing gets redirected into conversations about a sports team. Those conversations take on an importance that, if viewed from some distance, become comical.

I've been concerned about the decision making on the Pats every since Belichick started hiring his family members. That's always a sign of compromised thinking for me, in any organization. It inevitably leads to lesser results. But what the heck, the guy has been a key part of creating much celebration and joy for us Patsfans, so I was willing to see how it played out. At this point, seems like the party is over. So be it. On to the next one. I just hope he can leave with some dignity, and we can all focus on the contributions over the long term.

Your “absolute guarantee” doesn’t mean jack ****ing **** because it wasn’t Ian and Ian already said it shouldn’t have happened.

You already lost all credibility not even two sentences in.

This is what I mean with the ****ing blowhards on this page. Good God.

You didn’t even make it to sentence #2, bro.

 

[n1997y]

This was after Brady-hate was encouraged and fostered for ****ing years.

Was like the up-is-down left-is-right Soviet Union. Having state-sponsored narratives enforced on ****ing football forums is a recipe for killing it. Who cares if someone posts “he sucks he sucks he sucks.”

He does suck. He did suck. He will suck.

The “he sucks he sucks he sucks” crowd were wildly more accurate than the ‘let me just write this forum novel that isn’t even a good read on why Mac’s awesome’ crowd.

J.F.C.

what alternate reality did that spew from?

I’ve been paying attention to this forum for a long time. I’ve seen no “Brady-hate”. Closest thing to any hatred I’ve seen has been from those projecting the false dichotomy of Team Bill and Team Tom and fomenting hate between them. And that’s more their own narrative than reality.

Take your meds, dude.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Just talked Ken out of seppuku at the last minute so all should be well shortly.

 

[ralmat55]

Mac by far although Ken was #1 overall and didn't live up to it

Easily Ken Sims, DEs taken 1st overall should be Bruce Smiths or Myles Garretts not non-factors like Sims.

History tells us mid-first round QBs are a coin flip at best. Making the playoffs as a rookie like Jones perhaps puts him in the upper 50 percentile of what one should expect from a QB drafted 15th overall.

I’ve really been disappointed in the scapegoating of Mac Jones in this forum. It’s been personal, vulgar and way over the top. He’s not a good QB. That fact doesn’t deserve the ridicule directed at him. I certainly hope we’re all fairer, more realistic and patient with the next guy.

Moderators who are all too eager to shut down any mild criticism of Belichick are allowing page after page of pure hate to be directed at a 25 year old kid. Hell, they are even piling on. Over the weekend, Ross posted about Jones “****ting himself “ and Ian was making up stuff about Mac’s “camp” telling him it wasn’t his fault.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Easily Ken Sims, DEs taken 1st overall should be Bruce Smiths or Myles Garretts not non-factors like Sims.

Sims was not a complete bust but def a disappointment. He was 4th in DPOY in the 82 season and played for another 7. Yes he had work ethic, drug and injury issues but he did contribute and didn't flame out like Steve Emtman. I put him up there with guys like Dan Wilkinson, Courtney Brown Andre Wadsworth

History tells us mid-first round QBs are a coin flip at best. Making the playoffs as a rookie like Jones perhaps puts him in the upper 50 percentile of what one should expect from a QB drafted 15th overall.

I’ve really been disappointed in the scapegoating of Mac Jones in this forum. It’s been personal, vulgar and way over the top. He’s not a good QB. That fact doesn’t deserve the ridicule directed at him. I certainly hope we’re all fairer, more realistic and patient with the next guy.

Moderators who are all too eager to shut down any mild criticism of Belichick are allowing page after page of pure hate to be directed at a 25 year old kid. Hell, they are even piling on. Over the weekend, Ross posted about Jones “****ting himself “ and Ian was making up stuff about Mac’s “camp” telling him it wasn’t his fault.

I haven't seen what you mentioned but to me, defenses have caught up to Mac and he has zero confidence back there. The criticism is warranted but the personal attacks aren't.

 

[n1997y]

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I’ve really been disappointed in the scapegoating of Mac Jones in this forum. It’s been personal, vulgar and way over the top. He’s not a good QB. That fact doesn’t deserve the ridicule directed at him. I certainly hope we’re all fairer, more realistic and patient with the next guy.

Moderators who are all too eager to shut down any mild criticism of Belichick are allowing page after page of pure hate to be directed at a 25 year old kid. Hell, they are even piling on. Over the weekend, Ross posted about Jones “****ting himself “ and Ian was making up stuff about Mac’s “camp” telling him it wasn’t his fault.

I agree personal attacks are unacceptable, regardless of whether they’re directed at Mac, Tom, Bill, Bob, BOB, Matt, Ian, or fellow posters on here.

I think there are some areas where it’s hard to draw a clear line between legitimate scrutiny of player traits and personal attacks. For example, saying Mac panics easily isn’t to me a personal attack on him, it’s an observation of behavior. Maybe it should be better expressed as “appears to panic” rather than asserting that he loses his ****, but in the context of these discussions that’s an understandable verbal shortcut.

i haven’t seen mods shutting down much recently, think that was a former mod to the extent its real at all. I do know that it seems to me Team Anti-Bill is quick to complain about anything posted that doesn’t comport with their agenda. I don’t think anyone has been shutting down even “mild criticism of Belichick”.

Also, I think it’s unreasonable to expect mods not to participate in discussions. I don’t see either Ian or Ross as out of line for joining the rest of us in critizing Mac, and regardless of that neither example you cited was “piling on”.

i think one factor that incites over the top criticism of Mac is that there are still posts defending him when most of us think his performance is indefensible. The current style of this board isn’t to have discussion about such disagreements, it’s to shout them down and crush the other side. It’s the same thing that happens when it’s Bill not Mac. It’s toxic, but it is what it is.

one last thought about Mac. More interceptions than games played. Eleven games played, only two have been free of interceptions. After every game he says the right things about needing to play better, but how long can he talk that talk while getting a pass for not walking the walk? We know Belichick hates error repeaters, what do you think he should say and do about the worst error repeater on the team?

 

[Guts]

Team Bill’s pseudo analyst has jumped ship as expected. Where is the Minister of Propaganda these days?

BiLL HaS a pLaN!!!

Yup

Easily Ken Sims, DEs taken 1st overall should be Bruce Smiths or Myles Garretts not non-factors like Sims.

History tells us mid-first round QBs are a coin flip at best. Making the playoffs as a rookie like Jones perhaps puts him in the upper 50 percentile of what one should expect from a QB drafted 15th overall.

I’ve really been disappointed in the scapegoating of Mac Jones in this forum. It’s been personal, vulgar and way over the top. He’s not a good QB. That fact doesn’t deserve the ridicule directed at him. I certainly hope we’re all fairer, more realistic and patient with the next guy.

Moderators who are all too eager to shut down any mild criticism of Belichick are allowing page after page of pure hate to be directed at a 25 year old kid. Hell, they are even piling on. Over the weekend, Ross posted about Jones “****ting himself “ and Ian was making up stuff about Mac’s “camp” telling him it wasn’t his fault.

He's a millionaire in the NFL
Hell be fine

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Good morning to my 2-10 team!

I agree with the above from @PATS16N0 . There's been this crew that since Brady left has done nothing but attempt to silence any criticism of the team due to it being an indirect attack on Bill. There are posters that actually still believe that the team will be perfectly fine with Bill moving forward because $100M and top draft picks. Lol

Ian says we should remain objectively positive but continues to ignore the reality of what's been happening to the team under the 71 yo GM/HC. The belief that Bill still has it despite dozens of obvious warning signs that he's lost it, because "Bill is still a great coach that can beat anyone," has to be the most subjective narrative in this forum. Yet, it gets repeated over and over again un-challenged. But repeat actual facts like the above 2 posts say, and it's an excuse for banishment.

Bill Belichick, the greatest coach evah just lost to Brandon ****ing Staley, one of the worse coaches in the NFL. McDaniel, a 2nd yr coach owns Bill. He never beat Josh, who sucked so bad as a HC, he got fired before his 2nd year was complete. All of these are facts. Yet, it'll be painted as: you're repeating it over and over.

This is a football forum. Everything is repeated over and over. Everything! You guys just want happy talk repeated and real concerns squashed. Ken was one of those that admonished posters for questioning "the coaches."

I haven't seen what you said in the bolded on this site for a long time, you going back a year or two?

 

[Rob0729]

I'm not about persuading anyone just voicing my opinions. Unfortunately, I've seen posters with opinions that aren't in keeping with the forum 'motto' be chased away or banned. That's total BS to me. Even if I don't agree with someone's opinion, I'll defend their right to voice it. There's been way too much blind homerism on this forum to the detriment of the site. I like disagreements. Makes life more interesting. Having an echo chamber in a football forum is boring as ****.

I assume you are including Kontra in this. He was banned for making a totally tasteless joke about another poster's wife which was way out of bounds and deserved at least a time out.

And cry me a river about you claiming people were driven away from this site. You and the rest of your Mean Girl posse have ganged up on so many posters in an effort to drive them away from the message board. Anyone you don't like you all try to gang up on them to try to humiliate them and even tell them to leave. So don't act like a little snowflake crying about things you are guilty of. You cry victim when you do virtually everything you accused others of doing in this thread.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Everyone who liked Mac Jones should have had all their posts deleted and be locked out of threads for contributing to WTF we had to watch this year.

Very early on in THIS YEAR I posted about how Mac Jones is always throwing WTF passes off his back foot when pressured, and I was met with a million mother ****ers telling me that’s wrong and ******ed and not true, then three weeks later the very same observation was making its rounds on ALL the national television panels.

Pressure. Backfoot. WTF. Interception.

There’s a crew of people here who vainly believe they’re expert football analysts, and think each other are expert football analysts, when in fact they’re all ****ing ******ed.

Hehe. I admit I was a Mac believer, even through a few games this season. I think the game he finally lost me was NO. Dallas was bad but we've had massive stinkers before. He just could not seem to recover from that and it was evident the next few games

 

[Rob0729]

I miss Ken like many others. I hope Ian is wrong that he left because of the toxic nature of this board. I feel a responsibility to that since I have played into the toxicity as much as many on the other side of my arguments. This board used to be a great place to debate things. There was always some more brutal debates, but it is becoming more of the norm. I guess that comes with losing and not being an elite team year in and year out.

Unfortunately, we all talk at each other these days. I am as guilty of it as any. So I am not just blaming others. I bet a lot of people besides Ken have left because of it.

 

[sb1]

Hehe. I admit I was a Mac believer, even through a few games this season. I think the game he finally lost me was NO. Dallas was bad but we've had massive stinkers before. He just could not seem to recover from that and it was evident the next few games

At the start I was willing to see them roll with Jones the rest of the way in 2023. Figured a large sample size after the coaching clownery last season would give them enough to determine if he really was the guy or had any potential to be.

I think they got their answer a lot sooner than I thought.

 

[Ian]

Ian says we should remain objectively positive but continues to ignore the reality of what's been happening to the team under the 71 yo GM/HC.

Yeah, Ian isn't ignoring anything. I've been pretty vocal about that situation for the last month as soon as things started getting real. My issue has always been don't make an assumption about the season in September and at least give things time to play out. Obviously, that's happened, and I don't know how you can't look at this team and not realize there are issues. I think most people fall into that category.

 

[venecol]

I assume you are including Kontra in this. He was banned for making a totally tasteless joke about another poster's wife which was way out of bounds and deserved at least a time out.

Nope, not Kontra. That's a separate matter.

And cry me a river about you claiming people were driven away from this site. You and the rest of your Mean Girl posse have ganged up on so many posters in an effort to drive them away from the message board. Anyone you don't like you all try to gang up on them to try to humiliate them and even tell them to leave. So don't act like a little snowflake crying about things you are guilty of. You cry victim when you do virtually everything you accused others of doing in this thread.

You're confusing trying to shut down discussions with ridiculing obvious bias from posters hell bent on supporting a view that's frankly comical. I have no issues with you having the right to your views and I certainly don't want to drive anyone from the board.

We're all still waiting for you admitting to eat crow about Mac, but instead you pivoted to blaming Bill for all of Mac's problems (there's some merit to that).

At least we agree on one thing, Bill has to go.