PATRIOTS NEWS Parcells going in Patriots HoF

[sportnik]

Anyone who was a fan before 1993 understands that the Patriots, as we know know them, were founded on the day that Parcells was hired. No one has had a greater impact on the franchise than Parcells. Before Parcells the Patriots were an afterthought, no one gave a **** about the franchise. I was a season ticket holder at the time. The stadium was half filled & none of the games were on TV. That all immediately changed the day Parcells was hired and it's been mostly incredible ever since.

If there was no Parcells, there would be no Belichick, no Brady, no Championships. The team would probably be in St. Louis, Hartford or some other second tier city. Parcells had a presence that captivated the New England media & made the team instantly relevant. They went from the 4th team in town, to the first team overnight.

Parcells should have been the first person inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame. I commend Mr. Kraft for doing the right thing and making certain Parcells was inducted during his lifetime.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Anyone who was a fan before 1993 understands that the Patriots, as we know know them, were founded on the day that Parcells was hired. No one has had a greater impact on the franchise than Parcells. Before Parcells the Patriots were an afterthought, no one gave a **** about the franchise. I was a season ticket holder at the time. The stadium was half filled & none of the games were on TV. That all immediately changed the day Parcells was hired and it's been mostly incredible ever since.

If there was no Parcells, there would be no Belichick, no Brady, no Championships. The team would probably be in St. Louis, Hartford or some other second tier city. Parcells had a presence that captivated the New England media & made the team instantly relevant. They went from the 4th team in town, to the first team overnight.

Parcells should have been the first person inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame. I commend Mr. Kraft for doing the right thing and making certain Parcells was inducted during his lifetime.

Well said. There are many people over looking what Parcells did.

Had Parcells not brought over BB in 1996, Kraft probably hires Dom Capers in 2000 who was also have a lot success in Jacksonville.

I did notice Parcells had a weird habit of leaving teams on the verge of success. The Pats would’ve been the class of the AFC with Denver had Parcells stayed. Then he ditched Dallas right before they exploded in 2007. They easily go to the Super Bowl had Parcells stayed.

 

[p8ryts]

Anyone who was a fan before 1993 understands that the Patriots, as we know know them, were founded on the day that Parcells was hired. No one has had a greater impact on the franchise than Parcells. Before Parcells the Patriots were an afterthought, no one gave a **** about the franchise. I was a season ticket holder at the time. The stadium was half filled & none of the games were on TV. That all immediately changed the day Parcells was hired and it's been mostly incredible ever since.

If there was no Parcells, there would be no Belichick, no Brady, no Championships. The team would probably be in St. Louis, Hartford or some other second tier city. Parcells had a presence that captivated the New England media & made the team instantly relevant. They went from the 4th team in town, to the first team overnight.

Parcells should have been the first person inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame. I commend Mr. Kraft for doing the right thing and making certain Parcells was inducted during his lifetime.

I usually don't hold grudges, but Parcells is one of those rare exceptions.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Well said. There are many people over looking what Parcells did.

Had Parcells not brought over BB in 1996, Kraft probably hires Dom Capers in 2000 who was also have a lot success in Jacksonville.

I did notice Parcells had a weird habit of leaving teams on the verge of success. The Pats would’ve been the class of the AFC with Denver had Parcells stayed. Then he ditched Dallas right before they exploded in 2007. They easily go to the Super Bowl had Parcells stayed.

Not only that but Parcells tried to leave the Giants during the SB year vs Denver. He would have gone to ATL had Rozelle not shot it down.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Not only that but Parcells tried to leave the Giants during the SB year vs Denver. He would have gone to ATL had Rozelle not shot it down.

The one thing I didn’t like about Parcells. The moment things don’t go his ways, he leaves.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The one thing I didn’t like about Parcells. The moment things don’t go his ways, he leaves.

Parcells is/was always about power/personnel control......and ego.

 

[1960Pats]

Have you guys considered, given Kraft backstabbing ways (Brady, BB, Mayo just in my life time watching this team), maybe he backstabbed Parcell in some way?


Alright, so, I PROMISE to keep a level-headed discussion, if no name calling is made here. Unless it's Kraft, but he aint in this forum, and nobody here is his ***** (right?)

If there was some other reason beside shopping for the groceries then we would have heard them loud and clear already. Tuna's friends in the media would already have given us the whole story. Tuna wasn't the screw-ee, he was the screw-er.

Now the question is, if there was so much backstabbing going on, and even if there wasn't, why would Kraft honor him? Is he saying he's sorry?

 

[RobertWeathers]

If there was some other reason beside shopping for the groceries then we would have heard them loud and clear already. Tuna's friends in the media would already have given us the whole story. Tuna wasn't the screw-ee, he was the screw-er.

Now the question is, if there was so much backstabbing going on, and even if there wasn't, why would Kraft honor him? Is he saying he's sorry?

I submit that Kraft is showing his pot'l HoF voters an example of what, "let bygones by bygones/time heals all wounds" means.

In addition, Parcells carries so much clout still with owners and sportswriters. I wouldn't be surprised if Parcells, to some effect publicly supported Kraft's HoF candidacy.

 

[Tunescribe]

If there was some other reason beside shopping for the groceries then we would have heard them loud and clear already. Tuna's friends in the media would already have given us the whole story. Tuna wasn't the screw-ee, he was the screw-er.

Now the question is, if there was so much backstabbing going on, and even if there wasn't, why would Kraft honor him? Is he saying he's sorry?

It's fair to consider that Kraft might have unwisely limited Parcells' input on draft decisions. One has to wonder if he would have left given greater latitude to pick "the groceries." Remember that Kraft hadn't owned the team very long at that point and was still learning his role.

 

[signbabybrady]

I usually don't hold grudges, but Parcells is one of those rare exceptions.

You have got to let it go.

Hmmm

 

[TheRainMaker]

Have you guys considered, given Kraft backstabbing ways (Brady, BB, Mayo just in my life time watching this team), maybe he backstabbed Parcell in some way?


Alright, so, I PROMISE to keep a level-headed discussion, if no name calling is made here. Unless it's Kraft, but he aint in this forum, and nobody here is his ***** (right?)

Bob has had a history of making poor decisions and then finding the scapegoat to cover up his mess. From what I have read on the board, the reason why Kraft took away Parcells power during the draft was because he signed some FA’s that were duds. That excuse really doesn’t make as it had nothing to do with the draft. Kraft messed up and caused this mess that ruined the late 90’s Pats.

You also left Pete Carroll off the list who was screwed over by Bob. Drew Bledsoe had said he liked Carroll and that the locker room was divided because they were used to Parcells’ style. Carroll was and has proven since, he was not the problem. The real problem during the late 90’s was that other teams were catching up to the Pats within their own division alone and that was pissing them off. They had one of the best young cores in the NFL, but the drafts and personnel moves were atrocious and they couldn’t build off it. Injuries piled up as well. Flutie and the Bills, Jets and the Dolphins were a pain in the ass. Then the Colts came out of nowhere in 1999. Jacksonville, who struggled against the Pats, would’ve annihilated them by that year.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

I think the position (and I apologize for any incorrect assumptions I make here) of those who don't want Parcells in the Hall of Fame is not that his work is unappreciated. On the contrary, his time as coach is what really got me into football. The players that were brought in during these years remain some of my favorites to this day.

HOWEVER, a TEAM Hall of Fame should not be just about 'greatness'. There should also be something to how they endeared themselves to the fanbase. Steve Grogan is a prime example. There is no way he gets into the NFL Hall of Fame where the 'greatness' standard applies. But he made his mark with the fans and was rewarded.

Parcells' actions at the end of his time here in New England MAY have cost the team a Super Bowl. Taking away Curtis Martin broke apart the Bledsoe/Glenn/Martin trio that could have become something truly special.

I understand that Parcells had his issues with Kraft. I even understand that Kraft botched his relationship with Parcells. But, to me, and others, that is no excuse to abandon his responsibilities to the players and to the fans. They are not Kraft, and we are not Kraft. If Parcells wanted to leave, fine. But to orchestrate it in the leadup to a Super Bowl appearance? That is inexcusable.

And that's why Parcells should not be in a PATRIOTS Hall of Fame.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Parcels has always been a Fat **** that NEVER GAVE A **** about anyone but himself.
Fkn that fat fkn loser, Krafty is fkn stupid.

 

[Tunescribe]

Parcels has always been a Fat ****

I remember when Kevin Mannix, who covered the Patriots for the Boston Herald, called Parcells "a pantload of a coach."

 

[JayNM]

Bob has had a history of making poor decisions and then finding the scapegoat to cover up his mess. From what I have read on the board, the reason why Kraft took away Parcells power during the draft was because he signed some FA’s that were duds. That excuse really doesn’t make as it had nothing to do with the draft. Kraft messed up and caused this mess that ruined the late 90’s Pats.

You also left Pete Carroll off the list who was screwed over by Bob. Drew Bledsoe had said he liked Carroll and that the locker room was divided because they were used to Parcells’ style. Carroll was and has proven since, he was not the problem. The real problem during the late 90’s was that other teams were catching up to the Pats within their own division alone and that was pissing them off. They had one of the best young cores in the NFL, but the drafts and personnel moves were atrocious and they couldn’t build off it. Injuries piled up as well. Flutie and the Bills, Jets and the Dolphins were a pain in the ass. Then the Colts came out of nowhere in 1999. Jacksonville, who struggled against the Pats, would’ve annihilated them by that year.

Thanks for the input, I appreciatte it. I really can't say much about Pete Carrol, people don't talk about it enough in this forum lol. I've read about the team's history awhile ago, but Parcells at least is brought up enough here that I know that some shady **** happened. Back then it wasn't trend (I hope)

To get a bit more detailed for my disdain of Kraft, read below. Gets a bit ""personal""

Since I started following the Pats, 2007, my vision of Kraft is absolutely different from this forum, on majority, clearly.

I'll admit that, to me, a team having an owner is different. In Brazil, Teams (or Clubs) are institutions, some even intrinsically connected to the country history. And im not exageretting one bit. Take my club for example, 2 just occasions:

- 1st to accept black players in a professional competition (1920s)

- Stadium, constructed by player and residents of the region/district/favela nierby, housed some historical presidential discourses (as in the president of Brasil talked from there (1930s)

So, it's impossible to own it, even if they have a "owner". Obviously this is not the case in the US.

Then I liked the Kraft, until deflate gate. I don't know how you can rationalize what he did to Brady. How do you side with guys who deileberatly bought LITERAL FAKE SCIENCE over a guy who gave you EVERYTHING. I am very glad he went to Vegas as part owner. Sure, there is compliance bs, but oh boy I HOPE he spit on any of Robbies' venomous offers.

Anyway, then there is a lot of -other- good arguments to why I dislike him. One is that he wants all the glory for the BB years, except all he did was offer BB the offer, given the fact that BB operated freely for the golden years. In Fact, everytime he meddled with management (Brady's renewal, promising Mayo's the HC position), he ****s up badly. But Im supposed to be on his side to enter the Pro FOOTBALL Hall of fame for his contributions to football??????? Well, ok, I guess he did give money to the right people.

Surely this can't be enough to enter a high institute and be recognize... you know what never mind.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Thanks for the input, I appreciatte it. I really can't say much about Pete Carrol, people don't talk about it enough in this forum lol. I've read about the team's history awhile ago, but Parcells at least is brought up enough here that I know that some shady **** happened. Back then it wasn't trend (I hope)

To get a bit more detailed for my disdain of Kraft, read below. Gets a bit ""personal""

Since I started following the Pats, 2007, my vision of Kraft is absolutely different from this forum, on majority, clearly.

I'll admit that, to me, a team having an owner is different. In Brazil, Teams (or Clubs) are institutions, some even intrinsically connected to the country history. And im not exageretting one bit. Take my club for example, 2 just occasions:

- 1st to accept black players in a professional competition (1920s)

- Stadium, constructed by player and residents of the region/district/favela nierby, housed some historical presidential discourses (as in the president of Brasil talked from there (1930s)

So, it's impossible to own it, even if they have a "owner". Obviously this is not the case in the US.

Then I liked the Kraft, until deflate gate. I don't know how you can rationalize what he did to Brady. How do you side with guys who deileberatly bought LITERAL FAKE SCIENCE over a guy who gave you EVERYTHING. I am very glad he went to Vegas as part owner. Sure, there is compliance bs, but oh boy I HOPE he spit on any of Robbies' venomous offers.

Anyway, then there is a lot of -other- good arguments to why I dislike him. One is that he wants all the glory for the BB years, except all he did was offer BB the offer, given the fact that BB operated freely for the golden years. In Fact, everytime he meddled with management (Brady's renewal, promising Mayo's the HC position), he ****s up badly. But Im supposed to be on his side to enter the Pro FOOTBALL Hall of fame for his contributions to football??????? Well, ok, I guess he did give money to the right people.

Surely this can't be enough to enter a high institute and be recognize... you know what never mind.

Did I read it right that you started following in 2007 or that's when your opinion changed on Kraft?

I'm not sure why Carroll isn't talked about more on here or those years in general. Even though other teams where a pain in the ass, the consensus was still the Pats were a Super Bowl contending team from 1997-1999.

What Kraft did to Bill during deflate gate and even blaming him in the documentary is when I turned it off. I think I stopped watching after episode 4. Then he's nowhere to be found with Brady's dumb accusations by the Colts. Talk about reaching when there's video proof on YouTube of teams actually doing it. The NFL turning this into a crime scene investigation is just one of the many things that has ruined the game for me.

I've made it clear many times on the forum that I don't like Bob Kraft who has a history of throwing people under the bus for his mistakes and the documentary made him look even worse.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Thanks for the input, I appreciatte it. I really can't say much about Pete Carrol, people don't talk about it enough in this forum lol. I've read about the team's history awhile ago, but Parcells at least is brought up enough here that I know that some shady **** happened. Back then it wasn't trend (I hope)

To get a bit more detailed for my disdain of Kraft, read below. Gets a bit ""personal""

Since I started following the Pats, 2007, my vision of Kraft is absolutely different from this forum, on majority, clearly.

I'll admit that, to me, a team having an owner is different. In Brazil, Teams (or Clubs) are institutions, some even intrinsically connected to the country history. And im not exageretting one bit. Take my club for example, 2 just occasions:

- 1st to accept black players in a professional competition (1920s)

- Stadium, constructed by player and residents of the region/district/favela nierby, housed some historical presidential discourses (as in the president of Brasil talked from there (1930s)

So, it's impossible to own it, even if they have a "owner". Obviously this is not the case in the US.

Then I liked the Kraft, until deflate gate. I don't know how you can rationalize what he did to Brady. How do you side with guys who deileberatly bought LITERAL FAKE SCIENCE over a guy who gave you EVERYTHING. I am very glad he went to Vegas as part owner. Sure, there is compliance bs, but oh boy I HOPE he spit on any of Robbies' venomous offers.

Anyway, then there is a lot of -other- good arguments to why I dislike him. One is that he wants all the glory for the BB years, except all he did was offer BB the offer, given the fact that BB operated freely for the golden years. In Fact, everytime he meddled with management (Brady's renewal, promising Mayo's the HC position), he ****s up badly. But Im supposed to be on his side to enter the Pro FOOTBALL Hall of fame for his contributions to football??????? Well, ok, I guess he did give money to the right people.

Surely this can't be enough to enter a high institute and be recognize... you know what never mind.

Did I read it right that you started following in 2007 or that's when your opinion changed on Kraft?

I'm not sure why Carroll isn't talked about more on here or those years in general. Even though other teams where a pain in the ass, the consensus was still the Pats were a Super Bowl contending team from 1997-1999.

What Kraft did to Bill during deflate gate and even blaming him in the documentary is when I turned it off. I think I stopped watching after episode 4. Then he's nowhere to be found with Brady's dumb accusations by the Colts. Talk about reaching when there's video proof on YouTube of teams actually doing it. The NFL turning this into a crime scene investigation is just one of the many things that has ruined the game for me.

I've made it clear many times on the forum that I don't like Bob Kraft who has a history of throwing people under the bus for his mistakes and the documentary made him look even worse.

Al Davis took the opposite approach, standing up for himself and his team, rightfully suing the NFL many times. He was a prick, but his players appreciated him and felt entirely supported by him (including being fairly paid).

Robert genuinely has always wanted to win, but he's never been able to get out of his own milquetoast sense of decorum way. The league eternally ****s all over him because they know he'll never stand up for himself and his team, beyond passing references to facts and amicus briefs and public demands for an apology that if it ever came (it won't) would be fake and meaningless. He's earned the nickname which I think we coined right here on Patsfans? You know, "BB"

 

[Pape]

I'm not sure why Carroll isn't talked about more on here or those years in general. Even though other teams where a pain in the ass, the consensus was still the Pats were a Super Bowl contending team from 1997-1999.

The reason why the PC era is never talked about is two- (or three) fold...

one he was completely overshadowed by Tuna in new york... his best season, 1997, was spent howling about Parcells... that continued for the next few years... the betrayal, the jete posting a winning record in his first year there, followed by the poison pill contract, followed by the jete winning the division... people were gnashing their teeth about the whole scenario... Carroll was second fiddle to Parcells even though BP was no longer here... it was the topic du jour for three years running... And this thread is a testament to just how deep the hate for Parcells ran, and still runs to this day

secondly, Pete's teams were blah, kinda like having a discussion about white bread... they were not considered to be serious contenders at all... there was no hook or excitement surrounding those teams... the best thing that did come out of the Carroll era was robert edwards, and he lasted just one season...

and his third year, the Pats had lost their edge.., it was a soft football team that basically wasn't bad, but they did nothing well either... just middle of the pack meh... the afce was a five team division back then (three divisions - east, central, west)... the Pats went from first to worst in the East under Carroll... There was nothing good to talk about, to shift to conversation away from the tuna...

Pete wasn't really ready to be a head coach then... did not know how/wasn't allowed to shape the team he wanted to carry out his vision... he would learn those lessons at USC, and execute his vision in Seattle years later... but in New England, he was being lead around on a leash instead of leading when it came to team building...

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

I never understood why the NFL thinks it’s ok for teams to allow interviewing of coaches during the season. I remember what he did and thought that would feel so ****ty as a player on his team. Why would you be motivated to give it your all for a guy trying to leave the same exact team? They should not be able to do interviews AT ALL until the season is over for EVERYONE. I get why people think he should be in. Regardless of how we feel, he DID lay the groundwork for the dynasties. How he exited was the kick in the balls.

 

[JayNM]

Did I read it right that you started following in 2007 or that's when your opinion changed on Kraft?

I'm not sure why Carroll isn't talked about more on here or those years in general. Even though other teams where a pain in the ass, the consensus was still the Pats were a Super Bowl contending team from 1997-1999.

What Kraft did to Bill during deflate gate and even blaming him in the documentary is when I turned it off. I think I stopped watching after episode 4. Then he's nowhere to be found with Brady's dumb accusations by the Colts. Talk about reaching when there's video proof on YouTube of teams actually doing it. The NFL turning this into a crime scene investigation is just one of the many things that has ruined the game for me.

I've made it clear many times on the forum that I don't like Bob Kraft who has a history of throwing people under the bus for his mistakes and the documentary made him look even worse.

Following the Patriots at all in 2007. I started watching football in general the year before (2006) with the Bears vs Colts the game that made me realize the game was awesome

I havent watched this documentary nor will I ever. Save my nostalgia for my own memories, not a well-edited version of it. I do appreciate your comments regarding Carrol and what was said there, though, for real

Kraft, and other well-positioned billionaires, have... well... billions of ways to get out of bad situations. They can and will buy whoever is possible, when the time is right. Its telling, to me at least, that Kraft is only on the news to "correct" the boat, bc he causes the holes on the low.

He's a *****, at best. Too bad its not clear to everybody.