Owners including Kraft must turn over all cell phone records

[TheBostonStraggler]

Kap is still a good backup. I hope the Pats sign him. OK, bring on the wrath.

Sarcasm or serious?
If serious you should keep the bag over your head .

There's a plausible argument to be made that there are teams with primary backup QBs that are not as "good" as Kap and some of these teams have schemes suited for Kap. However, given the Patriots offensive scheme is built around Brady's skillset of pocket-reads-drift-identify high% pass to throw, Kap is not suited. The Patriots need someone that can step in and fill as much as possible Brady's skillset/execute existing playcalling book.

Despite Hoyer's limited success we have actually filled the backup QB position well. Hoyer is suited to come in without the basis of the offense having to drastically change. No, it isn't going to be the second coming of Brady but it will be someone who can take many of the existing plays and execute them with the skillset he posses/has used over his career.

Argue Kap's viability for another team and it's a plausible football argument. Argue Kap as a good fit as Brady's backup and it suggests an argument that isn't about football.

 

[meatface]

Sarcasm or serious?
If serious you should keep the bag over your head .

There's a plausible argument to be made that there are teams with primary backup QBs that are not as "good" as Kap and some of these teams have schemes suited for Kap. However, given the Patriots offensive scheme is built around Brady's skillset of pocket-reads-drift-identify high% pass to throw, Kap is not suited. The Patriots need someone that can step in and fill as much as possible Brady's skillset/execute existing playcalling book.

Despite Hoyer's limited success we have actually filled the backup QB position well. Hoyer is suited to come in without the basis of the offense having to drastically change. No, it isn't going to be the second coming of Brady but it will be someone who can take many of the existing plays and execute them with the skillset he posses/has used over his career.

Argue Kap's viability for another team and it's a plausible football argument. Argue Kap as a good fit as Brady's backup and it suggests an argument that isn't about football.

This team once brought in Tim Tebow, granted they did not keep him but its not like having a QB with CK's skill set is a foreign concept to them. ex: Jacoby Brisset. Still Hoyer makes more sense in the short term and I expect when they add a third Qb eventually it will be in the draft.

 

[TommyD4207]

the fact that he can't even get a tryout is clearly because of his politics, without question.

He's gotten tryouts. Just not a job.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Right. HE had a 1-10 record. It had NOTHING to do with the rest of the team, or the organization, it was him that had a 1-10 record. I certainly don't think he's great, but it's instructive that you don't note his 16-4 TD-INT ration, or his 91 quarterback rating. No, HE was 1-10.

He’s horrible, I agree

 

[DarrylS]

Aside from his politics is Kapernick a better QB statistically than McGloin or Hoyer?? Interesting statistics....

There are a lot of "horrible" back ups in the NFL, is Kapernick the most horrible??.. sooner the NFL owners will acquiesce to this lawsuit, as none of them want all the dirty details of the NFL to come out..

It is interesting that the NFL will forgive a child beater like Adrian Peterson or give abusers like Hardy and Elliot the benefit of the doubt, but not Kapernick??

In 5 years Kapernick..
72 TD's
30 int
QB rating of 88.9
2300 yards rushing.. 13 TD's

In 9 years Hoyer...
48 TD's
38 int
QB rating of 83.3
124 yards rushing.. 2 TD's

In 4 years Matt McGloin now the back up in Houston, I know Bill O'B knows him from Penn State..

11 TD's
11 Int
QB rating 75.3
27 yards rushing..0 TD's

 

[PatsWSB47]

Kapernick's probably better than some backups but he might not make a team better than it would be with a lesser backup. The distraction very plausibly could disrupt focus and preperation and divide a locker room.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Were I the Pats owner, I would not want the guy. However, I would not collude against the guy & would love to have any rival sign him.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Turn over that cell phone Roger. What goes around comes around assshole.

 

[fourhour]

Just a thought. Can't previous text/calls be deleted from cell phones? And is it possible that more than one cell phone is used by some people, like an company phone and personal phone? I just recently dumped a ton of texts and voicemails from my phone as I believed they were contributing to slowing it down and or eating battery, etc.

I would think the possibility of extreme personal information (banking, investment, etc) could be viewed by persons with no business viewing it, could be detrimental to the owners. I held that belief in TB12's case as well.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Turn over that cell phone Roger. What goes around comes around assshole.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

In a league where EJ Manuel, Matt Cassel, and Scott Tolzien have already gotten starts, there's no ****ing way in hell that Kaepernick can't play based on talent alone. That argument needs to end.

It's not just the sitting, it's the socks with pigs with cops' heads at practice which ended it for me. Kaepernick playing for them would be one way for me to not watch the Patriots. It's a lot more than talent alone with this guy (and his talent is mediocre, though good enough to be a backup all things being equal).

 

[convertedpatsfan]

It's not just the sitting, it's the socks with pigs with cops' heads at practice which ended it for me. Kaepernick playing for them would be one way for me to not watch the Patriots. It's a lot more than talent alone with this guy (and his talent is mediocre, though good enough to be a backup all things being equal).

That is fair and totally understandable. But I just read through several pages of people legitimately arguing he's not talented enough to play.

He is. It's other things. It's okay to admit that. I just wish more people would.

And this isn't just an NFL thing. We all know people we work with who suck, but are pleasant to be around. Meanwhile, we have all seen less pleasant but more effective colleagues leave first. It's not a new concept.

And if people say there is baggage and drama with Kaep, I won't disagree. But the posts bashing his play as the reason he doesn't have a job are totally wrong.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Perhaps some teams don't think his "talent" is a net gain over the distraction/disruption factor. It might be as simple as that for those teams at least.

 

[Koma]

Turn over that cell phone Roger. What goes around comes around assshole.

That’s the NFL’s worst nightmare right there. That arrogant empty suit in an environment where an unfriendly party can ask him follow up questions. The league’s attorney is going to go hoarse shouting “Objection!” that day.

 

[mgteich]

Perhaps some teams don't think his "talent" is a net gain over the distraction/disruption factor. It might be as simple as that for those teams at least.

The operative word is "some".

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

This may sound Machiavellian but what would happen if Kraft admitted that there was collusion? What if he said, " we wanted to sign Kaepernick after we traded Brissett because we had a 40 year old and a backup who wasn't going to be here next year. We wanted to sign Kap but Goodell threatened me if we did and after the punishment in Deflategate, I didn't want to cross him."

It would cost the NFL money and bad PR but I honestly believe it would cost Goodell his job.....

 

[SalemPats]

Aside from his politics is Kapernick a better QB statistically than McGloin or Hoyer?? Interesting statistics....

There are a lot of "horrible" back ups in the NFL, is Kapernick the most horrible??.. sooner the NFL owners will acquiesce to this lawsuit, as none of them want all the dirty details of the NFL to come out..

It is interesting that the NFL will forgive a child beater like Adrian Peterson or give abusers like Hardy and Elliot the benefit of the doubt, but not Kapernick??

In 5 years Kapernick..
72 TD's
30 int
QB rating of 88.9
2300 yards rushing.. 13 TD's

In 9 years Hoyer...
48 TD's
38 int
QB rating of 83.3
124 yards rushing.. 2 TD's

In 4 years Matt McGloin now the back up in Houston, I know Bill O'B knows him from Penn State..

11 TD's
11 Int
QB rating 75.3
27 yards rushing..0 TD's

I would say over the past 4 years, Kaep was probably the worst starter in the league. Under 60% accuracy, average less than 20 TDs a season and average almost 3 sacks a game. Even worse he averaged less than 200 yards/per game and about 7 yards/rec. He was so inaccurate not even the other team could intercept them. I'm sorry those are horrible numbers.


Year

Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
2016 San Francisco 49ers 12 331 196 59.2 27.6 2,241 6.8 186.8 16 4.8 4 1.2 65T 25 5 36 207 90.7

2015 San Francisco 49ers 9 244 144 59.0 27.1 1,615 6.6 179.4 6 2.5 5 2.0 76T 19 7 28 166 78.5

2014 San Francisco 49ers 16 478 289 60.5 29.9 3,369 7.0 210.6 19 4.0 10 2.1 80T 48 5 52 344 86.4

2013 San Francisco 49ers 16 416 243 58.4 26.0 3,197 7.7 199.8 21 5.0 8 1.9 64T 46 10 39 231 91.6

 

[neali]

Sarcasm or serious?
If serious you should keep the bag over your head .

There's a plausible argument to be made that there are teams with primary backup QBs that are not as "good" as Kap and some of these teams have schemes suited for Kap. However, given the Patriots offensive scheme is built around Brady's skillset of pocket-reads-drift-identify high% pass to throw, Kap is not suited. The Patriots need someone that can step in and fill as much as possible Brady's skillset/execute existing playcalling book.

Despite Hoyer's limited success we have actually filled the backup QB position well. Hoyer is suited to come in without the basis of the offense having to drastically change. No, it isn't going to be the second coming of Brady but it will be someone who can take many of the existing plays and execute them with the skillset he posses/has used over his career.

Argue Kap's viability for another team and it's a plausible football argument. Argue Kap as a good fit as Brady's backup and it suggests an argument that isn't about football.

Mostly sarcasm, just because I would like to see this board lose its collective mind. I am not a Kap hater though but too much of a distraction.

 

[goheels22002]

The Texans just lost their starting QB for the season. It might make sense for Kap to be a player they'd look into. However, several days ago Kaepernick tweeted out an article calling Bob McNair a stupid, ignorant, racist. I know a lot of people were upset by McNair's comment, but spreading around information that would clearly be offensive to a potential employer is not a good way to get hired.

I can just hear the job interview.

Texans HR: "So, Colin, can I call you Colin?"

Kaepernick: "Yes, sir."

Texans HR: "What would you say is your greatest weakness?"

Kaepernick: "Well, sometimes I use Twitter to call people names."

Texans HR: "Names? What kind of names?"

Kaepernick: "Well, you know. Stuff that people call each other all the time on the news. Stuff like ignorant, stupid, racist,...that sort of thing."

Texans HR: "Well that's not so bad. Sometimes people need to be called things like that so they'll change. So who have you called a stupid, ignorant racist lately?"

Kaepernick: "I think his name is Bob."

 

[thecore762]

I thought Kaep was a mediocre QB, but boy I’d love to see owners like Jerry Jones crash and burn! Same goes for the Ravens owner too!