Owners including Kraft must turn over all cell phone records

[brdmaverick]

owners turn over their cell phones?

I don't think they will STAND for this

 

[Tunescribe]

Let's hope there are no photos on Bob's phone of him sexting his beanpole bimbo.

 

[NormZauchin]

Kapernick was a very good QB when he first entered the league
He did very well (1 superbowl appearance where he excelled in a loss, and one NFCCG where he also did well in a loss) He was fortunate to be developed in an offense that specifically suited his skill set. There is no question that when NFL defenses started to catch up to that offense he didn't respond and adapt. It is also true that during the same time his performance declined, so too did the rest of the SF organization declined too.

There is no question that his skill level, even during his last year with SF qualifies him to be among the 90 odd QB jobs that exist in the NFL. So I ask a few questions to to those wh.o would keep him from working strictly for his political beliefs.

Has there ever been a quote from Kapernick where he ruled out any job because he he wouldn't be guaranteed a starting position. I cant recall any, but its been used several times in this tread.

I recognize that Kapernick's skills aren't a good mix for certain offensive systems, like the one we have here in NE. But there ARE several where his skill set could be of value. Seattle, Carolina, and Houston to name 3 of the top of my head, would all be better teams with Kapernick on the roster, as well as Buffalo, the Jets, and Browns.

BTW- it should also be noted that the read- option offense that he did so well with, has had a bit of a resurgence around the league. (ie KC, Houston).

BOTTOM LINE- Colin Kapernick was never a good fit (schematically) with the Pats. So I doubt he was even a conversation over the past 9 months. However, there is no doubt that he SHOULD have been a serious consideration on several teams.

That being said, I find it repugnant that anyone can be kept from working simply because you don't like his peaceful political opinion. If it can be done to Kapernick then it can be done to everyone else. I don't look forward to an America where you have have to give up your right to an opinion in order to get a job. But the truth is that THAT is what we are gradually moving toward.

I agree with you Ken, but this is also a problem on the other side of the political aisle. It is quite difficult in our age for someone with conservative political beliefs to gain a tenured faculty position at an elite university. Surveys of faculty at such institutions show overwhelming (like 90 percent) preference for the left.

 

[TommyD4207]

Right. HE had a 1-10 record. It had NOTHING to do with the rest of the team, or the organization, it was him that had a 1-10 record. I certainly don't think he's great, but it's instructive that you don't note his 16-4 TD-INT ration, or his 91 quarterback rating. No, HE was 1-10.

You say '91 QB Rating' like it's some amazing number. It would be 24th in the league, currently. His 59.1% Completions would be 40th. 5 Fumbles to go along with those 4 INTs is 9 turnovers in 11 games.

Also, 1-10 and was benched in favor of Blaine Gabbert. And it wasn't because of kneeling. Also, he opted out of his contract.

 

[TommyD4207]

They indicate that the team might just possibly have had other, worse problems than the QB who was good enough to take them to the Super Bowl a few years earlier.

5. 5 years earlier. And has never played anywhere approaching that level since then.

 

[Wordsmyth]

Fraudger Goodell* = a less intelligent version of Colonel Wilhelm Klink.

 

[TommyD4207]

Let us say that the top 5 owners let it be know that it would damage the NFL if he were hired, perhaps even saying that the president might punch them. BTW, the tax treatment of stadium funding has been made much worse for the NFL.

This should be collusion, especially if everyone complied.

This is the other thing. Kaepernick is a crappy QB. I would think the owners of good teams would be encouraging another team to sign him.

Just because he COULD be a 2nd or 3rd QB on a team doesn't mean he deserves to be. Having a younger, cheaper developmental prospect in that position makes much more sense.

 

[Kontradiction]

Ohhhhh man I cannot wait for this.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

So let me get this straight, a guy with a 1-10 record as a starting quarterback LAST YEAR is suing the NFL because he is believes his unemployment is due to reasons outside of his playing abilities?

He could actually argue they were better with him...

1-10 is better than the 1-12 the 49ers are without him the past 2 seasons.

Holy ****, the 49ers are a smoking pile of garbage.

 

[luuked]

Good. Burn the league and all of its hypocrite owners down.

 

[seven]

Kaep will either be offered a job, or the day the judge says the NFL turns over the email cellphone data, the negotiation will begin.

Kaep needs the money. He has an expensive SJW girlfriend in a 3 million dollar condo in NYC, and his own multi million dollar joint on the West Coast.

The dynamic, the framing around that will be interesting, because he has been hoisted up as a modern civil rights hero, especially by Harry Edwards. Harry has been hovering around him since before protest day one. Between Edwards and the extreme SJW girlfriend, Kaep has been useful.

This will not play well with the fact that Kaep needs serious money to maintain the current lifestyle, and at some point Kaep will feel played. So it will be interesting to watch.

But there is No Way the NFL releases the emails and cellphone data. Anyone really think otherwise?

OT: If it were about playing football, Kaep would be at the Ravens, or playing in Canada.
Lewis was extremely passionate, even for him, in making the point that he had Kaep set up
for a job,until lady love immediately blew it up.

 

[rochrist]

5. 5 years earlier. And has never played anywhere approaching that level since then.

He was very good the next year and pretty good the year after that.

I get that everybody hates him. Just stop pretending it's about his playing.

 

[Soliel]

he has poor conduct to go along with years of poor performance. What more do you need not to hire a guy?

 

[rochrist]

You say '91 QB Rating' like it's some amazing number. It would be 24th in the league, currently. His 59.1% Completions would be 40th. 5 Fumbles to go along with those 4 INTs is 9 turnovers in 11 games.

Also, 1-10 and was benched in favor of Blaine Gabbert. And it wasn't because of kneeling. Also, he opted out of his contract.

Which means there are 8 starting QBs that are worse, not to mention the backups. Christ, I heard a list of every QB who's been signed this year and it was like a hall of fame of clowns. And those were just the ones I'd heard of. How about Garrett Gilbert, David Fales, Alec Torgersen, Sefo Liufau(??), Wes Lundt, Trevor Knight, Philip Walker, Nick Mullins, Zach Terrell, Taysom Hill, Tyler Ferguson, Cooper Rush, Skyler Howard, Zach Dysert, Dane Evans, David Olsen, Josh Woodrum, Mitch Leidner, Keith Wenning, Brad Kaaya. Heard of ANY of those guys?

Again. I don't think Kaepernick is great. But I'd be willing to be he's better than every single guy on that list. Just stop pretending it's because of his play that you hate him.

 

[rochrist]

he has poor conduct to go along with years of poor performance. What more do you need not to hire a guy?

Poor conduct. When did he beat a woman or get involved in a drug bust? Plenty of guys who did one, or the other or both are still employed by the league. You don't LIKE his conduct because you don't like his politics. That doesn't mean it's poor conduct.

 

[Joey007]

He opted out in the same way that you get "asked to resign" so your boss doesn't have to give you **** afterward.

So what's the explanation for not taking a backup role? Seattle offered it to him did they not?

 

[PlainOldEd]

Bob Kraft texts Jonathan and says "Tommy dressed as an Avacado this year? I don't know what the big fuss is about avacados. I don't like them. I won't order a California chicken sandwich because they usually have Avacado on them"
Ted Wells investigates. Finds it more probable than not that Avacado is a code word for Kaepernick, being as that he was a player in California and avacados are grown there. And Kraft was in fact saying that no NFL team should hire him. Patriots docked 3 consecutive first round draft picks.

 

[mgteich]

You say '91 QB Rating' like it's some amazing number. It would be 24th in the league, currently. His 59.1% Completions would be 40th. 5 Fumbles to go along with those 4 INTs is 9 turnovers in 11 games.

Also, 1-10 and was benched in favor of Blaine Gabbert. And it wasn't because of kneeling. Also, he opted out of his contract.

????

So, there are 8 STARTERS with poorer ratings. Folks have been primarily discussion a backup job.

 

[PlainOldEd]

For the sake of arguement, if a player with the exact same skillset had a swastika tattoo on his forehead does anyone think that guy would have a job?

 

[mgteich]

For the sake of arguement, if a player with the exact same skillset had a swastika tattoo on his forehead does anyone think that guy would have a job?

Certainly with one on this arm.