OT: Team that has the best home field advantage

[FootballFan85]

Re: OT: What team has the biggest home field advantage

I googled "spygate" and can't come up with "undeniable evidence"

So you dont consider the camera man being caught, an NFL investigation, and the league handing out fines and penalties, to be irrefutable evidence that it happened? Or did the NFL, the entire media, the Pats, and every single football fan on Earth just imagine the whole thing?

Versus what evidence for crowd noise or heat being turned up? None? Angry fans on message boards?

Get real. If you wan't people to forget spygate, something that actually happened, then people need to stop spouting off conspiracy theories about other teams.

 

[upstater1]

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How is it people who would love the rest of the league to forget about SpyGate still have no problem throwing out things like piped in crowd noise, heat turned up, etc.

Remember SpyGate, happened and there was undeniable evidence.

There is NO evidence of piped in crowd noise, or heat being turned up, etc. etc.
Those are inventions of teams that got beat and need an excuse. Google the heat thing and you'll find almost nothing except from this board. And as for the crowd noise thing, remember, the "CD skipping" was a network audio problem and the network took responsibility for it. But I guess they're in on the conspiracy too right?

Pointing to those things sounds just as stupid as when fans of other teams call the Pats the Cheatriots.

So why lower yourselves?


As for the poll, from a weather perspective, the Pats by far. But since that likely wont come into play much this playoffs, Im going to say the Saints simply because this playoffs (and possibly superbowl) is going to be the biggest thing to happen to that city since the disaster.

Other teams call the Patriots cheaters because they're jealous. Nothing more than that. It's still legal to film signals to this day. There's no NFL rule against it.

You told me to Google the heat thing and I found more than 100 sites referencing it.

Read this: Front and center - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

The fact is, Phil Simms said it was incredibly hot in the Dome during the game, and a bunch of your fans on your Colts boards said it was steaming in there.

 

[reflexblue]

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Denver..... Miami ......

 

[Patspsycho]

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So you dont consider the camera man being caught, an NFL investigation, and the league handing out fines and penalties, to be irrefutable evidence that it happened? Or did the NFL, the entire media, the Pats, and every single football fan on Earth just imagine the whole thing?

Versus what evidence for crowd noise or heat being turned up? None? Angry fans on message boards?

Get real. If you wan't people to forget spygate, something that actually happened, then people need to stop spouting off conspiracy theories about other teams.

Irrefutable evidence of what? That the rest of the league was doing it and we were the one who were picked to be made an example of?

The idea that the placement of a camera on the sidelines (over being in the stands, e.g., legal) having a hand in creating a dynasty is so much more ridiculous and far-fetched than the "conspiracy-hatching" you are ridiculing here.

 

[upstater1]

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So you dont consider the camera man being caught, an NFL investigation, and the league handing out fines and penalties, to be irrefutable evidence that it happened? Or did the NFL, the entire media, the Pats, and every single football fan on Earth just imagine the whole thing?

Versus what evidence for crowd noise or heat being turned up? None? Angry fans on message boards?

Get real. If you wan't people to forget spygate, something that actually happened, then people need to stop spouting off conspiracy theories about other teams.

The heat thing is a certainty.

As for spygate, big deal. Cameramen were caught before on other teams, and the NFL did nothing about it. Not to mention that it's still legal to film signals from points in the stadium. Not to mention the fact that your own guy, Howard Mudd, is the dean of filming signals. He's the guy that taught Jimmy Johnson to do it.

 

[FootballFan85]

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Other teams call the Patriots cheaters because they're jealous. Nothing more than that. It's still legal to film signals to this day. There's no NFL rule against it.

You told me to Google the heat thing and I found more than 100 sites referencing it.

Read this: Front and center - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

The fact is, Phil Simms said it was incredibly hot in the Dome during the game, and a bunch of your fans on your Colts boards said it was steaming in there.

So wait, you're telling me that NOTHING against the rules was done during SpyGate, and the NFL investigated and handed out penalties based on nothing where no rules were broken, and that the whole thing was because people are jealous of the Pats?

And you found 100 results in Google about the Colts. But 'spygate' returns over 100,000 and 'pats cheating' returns over 200,000.

And your evidence is that Phil Simms said it was hot?

Laughable.

Face it, the Pats got caught actually doing something. Every other team has that on you. Did it matter, almost certainly not. And anyone who spouts off on the 'Cheatriots' or SpyGate winning rings has probably never seen the Pats play.

But it is JUST as stupid, maybe even more so, to be constantly pointing to things that are purely based on conjecture. Anything where "Phil Simms said" is the lead in to your evidence, is probably something you should just keep to yourself! lol

The conspiracy theories here run deep. Very deep. I'd love to hear the opinions of some people here on the moon landings, the Kennedy assassination, Paul McCartney being dead, etc.

 

[FootballFan85]

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The idea that the placement of a camera on the sidelines (over being in the stands, e.g., legal) having a hand in creating a dynasty is so much more ridiculous and far-fetched than the "conspiracy-hatching" you are ridiculing here.

I never said it had ANYTHING to do with the dynasty. In fact Id say it probably had very LITTLE effect. But the fact is, it still happened, and whether or not everyone was doing it is something you and I will never know. You can say it, and fine, you may be right, but the Pats actually got caught. Read my above post to Upstarter.

Im not saying SpyGate had any effect on the Pats wins or rings. In fact I don't see why a guy as smart as Bellichick would even need it. But the fact is it happened.

So why do people around here sling **** about stuff that is based purely on conjecture?

What is the difference between people calling the Pats the cheatriots and people around here spewing conspiracy theories about the Colts?

Why is one stupid and the other isn't?

 

[FootballFan85]

Re: OT: What team has the biggest home field advantage

The heat thing is a certainty.

As for spygate, big deal. Cameramen were caught before on other teams, and the NFL did nothing about it. Not to mention that it's still legal to film signals from points in the stadium. Not to mention the fact that your own guy, Howard Mudd, is the dean of filming signals. He's the guy that taught Jimmy Johnson to do it.

How is the heat thing a certainty? So because Phil Simms and a handful of fans said it was hot in the stadium that proves that the Colts intentionally cranked up the heat to thwart the Pats? You should be a lawyer!

As for Mudd, you're 100% right, but Mudd did his signal stealing a long time before the memo was sent out by the NFL specifically saying

"Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

 

[upstater1]

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So wait, you're telling me that NOTHING against the rules was done during SpyGate, and the NFL investigated and handed out penalties based on nothing where no rules were broken, and that the whole thing was because people are jealous of the Pats?

EXACTLY. If you want to refute this, go ahead, what rule was broken?

And you found 100 results in Google about the Colts. But 'spygate' returns over 100,000 and 'pats cheating' returns over 200,000.

Irrelevant. What's your point? I didn't say what the results of a search were, I said I found that many references to it. The responses to the search were in the hundreds of thousands.

And your evidence is that Phil Simms said it was hot?

Laughable.

No, what's laughable is that you deliberately ignored the link I showed you. It was 85 degrees that day, that much is undeniable. There are plenty of news reports that showed that.

Face it, the Pats got caught actually doing something. Every other team has that on you. Did it matter, almost certainly not. And anyone who spouts off on the 'Cheatriots' or SpyGate winning rings has probably never seen the Pats play.

But it is JUST as stupid, maybe even more so, to be constantly pointing to things that are purely based on conjecture. Anything where "Phil Simms said" is the lead in to your evidence, is probably something you should just keep to yourself! lol

The conspiracy theories here run deep. Very deep. I'd love to hear the opinions of some people here on the moon landings, the Kennedy assassination, Paul McCartney being dead, etc.

You excel at bogus strawman arguments.

 

[FootballFan85]

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So wait, you're telling me that NOTHING against the rules was done during SpyGate, and the NFL investigated and handed out penalties based on nothing where no rules were broken, and that the whole thing was because people are jealous of the Pats?

EXACTLY. If you want to refute this, go ahead, what rule was broken?
NFL Memo: "Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game." What does prohibited mean in New England?


And you found 100 results in Google about the Colts. But 'spygate' returns over 100,000 and 'pats cheating' returns over 200,000.

Irrelevant. What's your point? I didn't say what the results of a search were, I said I found that many references to it. The responses to the search were in the hundreds of thousands.

So you're telling me you personally filtered through hundreds of thousands of results and found 100 specific references, all in a matter of minutes? Either you're superman or you're full of it. Please provide me with the search string you used.

And your evidence is that Phil Simms said it was hot?

Laughable.

No, what's laughable is that you deliberately ignored the link I showed you. It was 85 degrees that day, that much is undeniable. There are plenty of news reports that showed that.

I read your article, and like I said, it was all conjecture. Was it hot? Sure, I guess. But the Colts played in that same heat. Maybe something was broken? Maybe someone made a mistake? How can you possibly say there is any evidence it was done intentionally? Like I said, you should be a lawyer.

Face it, the Pats got caught actually doing something. Every other team has that on you. Did it matter, almost certainly not. And anyone who spouts off on the 'Cheatriots' or SpyGate winning rings has probably never seen the Pats play.

But it is JUST as stupid, maybe even more so, to be constantly pointing to things that are purely based on conjecture. Anything where "Phil Simms said" is the lead in to your evidence, is probably something you should just keep to yourself! lol

The conspiracy theories here run deep. Very deep. I'd love to hear the opinions of some people here on the moon landings, the Kennedy assassination, Paul McCartney being dead, etc.

I notice you didn't bother trying to refute the fact its as stupid to point to all this stuff as it is for other fans to point to the 'cheatriots'. Also, I'm glad you haven't tried to defend the crowd noise thing either. Another example of something based purely on conjecture with no real evidence.

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[upstater1]

Re: OT: What team has the biggest home field advantage

How is the heat thing a certainty? So because Phil Simms and a handful of fans said it was hot in the stadium that proves that the Colts intentionally cranked up the heat to thwart the Pats? You should be a lawyer!

As for Mudd, you're 100% right, but Mudd did his signal stealing a long time before the memo was sent out by the NFL specifically saying

"Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

If that memo specifically said that (AND IT CONTRADICTED THE ACTUAL RULE IN THE BOOK WHICH SAID YOU COULDN'T USE THAT FILM IN A GAME) then why didn't the NFL do anything about it when the Jets were caught filming the previous year. The NFL said it was OK for the Jets because they had permission. The Patriots said no one gave them permission. The NFL apparently thought you can break the rules about filming signals as long as you have permission. Couple that with the fact that the Dolphins also used tape to steal offensive signals that year, and the NFL responded with, "That's football!", well then it's clear why the Patriots thought the rule in the rulebook was still in force rather than the memo. Memos are to be ignored, unless you're a Patriot and the commissioner is an ex-Jets executive.

The heat thing is a certainty, I don't know why you keep bringing up Simms when I showed you other evidence. There are a hundred news articles out there citing the heat in the Dome.

 

[FootballFan85]

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If that memo specifically said that (AND IT CONTRADICTED THE ACTUAL RULE IN THE BOOK WHICH SAID YOU COULDN'T USE THAT FILM IN A GAME) then why didn't the NFL do anything about it when the Jets were caught filming the previous year. The NFL said it was OK for the Jets because they had permission. The Patriots said no one gave them permission. The NFL apparently thought you can break the rules about filming signals as long as you have permission. Couple that with the fact that the Dolphins also used tape to steal offensive signals that year, and the NFL responded with, "That's football!", well then it's clear why the Patriots thought the rule in the rulebook was still in force rather than the memo. Memos are to be ignored, unless you're a Patriot and the commissioner is an ex-Jets executive.

The heat thing is a certainty, I don't know why you keep bringing up Simms when I showed you other evidence. There are a hundred news articles out there citing the heat in the Dome.

Heat in the dome is fine. Malicious intent is something completely different altogether. Yet you so casually and certainly make the jump from one to the other.

The dome was hot, therefore the evil Polian instructed someone to crank up the heat specifically to foil the Pats and their flu ridden team!

Again, absolutely no evidence what soever. 100% conjecture.

 

[upstater1]

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10 char outside of quote box

I addressed the dumb memo above.

I looked through the first page of my search and saw 100 references. Why would I need to sift through 100,000s? Do you know how to do a search? Apparently not.

LOL, you are gullible about the heat. Late January and it's 85 degrees in the Dome? Heat malfunction? Please.

 

[upstater1]

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Heat in the dome is fine. Malicious intent is something completely different altogether. Yet you so casually and certainly make the jump from one to the other.

The dome was hot, therefore the evil Polian instructed someone to crank up the heat specifically to foil the Pats and their flu ridden team!

Again, absolutely no evidence what soever. 100% conjecture.

And Santa Claus is visiting your home this evening. Talk about naive.

Are you going to address what I wrote about the memo?

 

[FootballFan85]

Re: OT: What team has the biggest home field advantage

I addressed the dumb memo above.

I looked through the first page of my search and saw 100 references. Why would I need to sift through 100,000s? Do you know how to do a search? Apparently not.

LOL, you are gullible about the heat. Late January and it's 85 degrees in the Dome? Heat malfunction? Please.

Wow so you looked through the first page of a Google search, which returns 10 results per page, and saw 100 references! Amazing! You ARE Superman!!!! Stop making stuff up, it's obvious and it doesn't do anything for your argument.

And you can call it a 'stupid memo' all you want, the fact is it was sent out and ignored. Period. Justify it however you want.

And explain to me how late January, the coldest time of year, when the heat is most likely to be pumping anyways, is a bad time for there to be a mistake or malfunction that causes the heat to go higher than it should?

See what I mean. You can say all you want, but all you're doing is spouting conjecture. You say I'm gullible, but you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to back up your assertion that the heat in the dome was intentionally cranked up to thwart a few of the Pats flu ridden players, even tho the COlts would have to play in the same heat, and all the fans in the building would have to deal with it as well. You have no evidence of that at all, yet you say it like its irrefutable.

This is exactly my point. When other fans point to SpyGate, at least they have something concrete to point to whether you like it or not. All you've got is conjecture.

So why not stop spewing **** you have nothing to back up, and maybe, just maybe, the people on the Colts side will let SpyGate go?

My personal opinion, I think the majority of people here KNOW none of this BS is worth its weight in ****, and Id say most Colts fans KNOW that SpyGate means NOTHING in terms of the Pats success.

 

[upstater1]

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Jets videotaped Patriots last season in Foxborough - NFL - ESPN

Patriots claimed they did not allow the Jets to film.

The Jets say they film from end zones.

Yet that's against NFL rules. The NFL says it's OK to break the rules.

This is why Patriot fans see Goodell's punishment as a sham from a twit and a hypocrite.

 

[upstater1]

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Wow so you looked through the first page of a Google search, which returns 10 results per page, and saw 100 references! Amazing! You ARE Superman!!!! Stop making stuff up, it's obvious and it doesn't do anything for your argument.

And you can call it a 'stupid memo' all you want, the fact is it was sent out and ignored. Period. Justify it however you want.

And explain to me how late January, the coldest time of year, when the heat is most likely to be pumping anyways, is a bad time for there to be a mistake or malfunction that causes the heat to go higher than it should?

See what I mean. You can say all you want, but all you're doing is spouting conjecture. You say I'm gullible, but you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to back up your assertion that the heat in the dome was intentionally cranked up to thwart a few of the Pats flu ridden players, even tho the COlts would have to play in the same heat, and all the fans in the building would have to deal with it as well. You have no evidence of that at all, yet you say it like its irrefutable.

This is exactly my point. When other fans point to SpyGate, at least they have something concrete to point to whether you like it or not. All you've got is conjecture.

So why not stop spewing **** you have nothing to back up, and maybe, just maybe, the people on the Colts side will let SpyGate go?

My personal opinion, I think the majority of people here KNOW none of this BS is worth its weight in ****, and Id say most Colts fans KNOW that SpyGate means NOTHING in terms of the Pats success.

Sigh, my Google prefs are set to return 100 references. You can also set it to do 500 if you like, not to mention the fact that my firefox has an add-on which just scrolls page after page so you can literally get 1 million results on the same page. Jeez!!

The memo was also ignored multiplpe times by the NFL. That right there is justification to ignore it. The NFL ignored it too, and only applied it when it could be used against the Patriots. That's called hypocrisy. Look up the definition of the word in the dictionary.

Glad to see you're admitting it was hot in the dome, but you're totally naie to not realize it was intentional because of reports of lots of Patriots getting the flu.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

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How is it people who would love the rest of the league to forget about SpyGate still have no problem throwing out things like piped in crowd noise, heat turned up, etc.

Remember SpyGate, happened and there was undeniable evidence.

There is NO evidence of piped in crowd noise, or heat being turned up, etc. etc.
Those are inventions of teams that got beat and need an excuse. Google the heat thing and you'll find almost nothing except from this board. And as for the crowd noise thing, remember, the "CD skipping" was a network audio problem and the network took responsibility for it. But I guess they're in on the conspiracy too right?

Pointing to those things sounds just as stupid as when fans of other teams call the Pats the Cheatriots.

So why lower yourselves?


As for the poll, from a weather perspective, the Pats by far. But since that likely wont come into play much this playoffs, Im going to say the Saints simply because this playoffs (and possibly superbowl) is going to be the biggest thing to happen to that city since the disaster.

Spygate was what it was. Yes, there was "undeniable evidence" in the form of the tapes from the Jets game. Taping wasn't against the rules, but taping from the sidelines was. The same tapes would have been legit if taken five rows up in the stands, which shows how nefarious the league found the practice. The Patriots got caught because Mangini had an ax to grind, recognized the setup (no doubt because he ran it when he was Patriot DC) and turned them in; others didn't get caught, immediately stopped and breathed a sigh of relief. As for what it meant, the only official finding was that the Patriots had not benefited from the taping during the Jets game. The league also had to say that there was no evidence they ever had benefited from it during a game. Belichick and the team were fined heavily and that was pretty much it.

It all would have died down if some idiot from a local paper in Boston hadn't printed what he later acknowledged was an unverified and false story to the effect that the pats had illegally taped the Rams walk through before SB XXXVI. The story broke right before the SB in Arizona. Of course the damage was done for several months before everyone admitted it was a total lie.

I for one can't wait to read Belichick's memoir when he discusses the practices of the Giants, Jets, Browns, Baltimore Colts and others.

The Indy stories are anecdotal, but many feel strongly about them. Like the untrue parts of the spygate story, they may or may not be an example of something becoming the truth if people repeat it often enough.

I think the 2009 SB team from the NFC will come from the NFC East; just my opinion.

 

[mgteich]

If we are talking about 2009, there are two contenders: New England and Baltimore. The patriots have 7 wins at home, 1 away, and 1 on a neutral field. The ravens have 6 wins at home and 2 away.

Who is it???

 

[Brady to Brown]

I find playing the Colts and the Refs in Indy tough.