OT: Steelers ship Santonio to the Jets

[BostonPatriot]

WTF does this incoherant oft repeated rant have to do with my post, Jets fan?

Here we go with the Jets fan crap, again. The homers get so butthurt over being called out.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Wow.... another knock on post count. How original from you.

About as original as your post Mr. I-know-everything- because - I'm - on patsfan.com - 23 hours per day.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Where was any of this said? Do you get off on being an jagoff calling everyone who doesn't ball walsh the rest of the NFL in particular the Jets a homer?

Have you watched football in a while? LT is not any good and hasn't been in a few years. He is done and come November he won't even get up off the bench when playing in the cold, he will have some sort of phantom injury.

Cromartie has done jack **** the past two seasons other than make babies. Hell, I think he has more kids than Int's the past two years. I like Shonne Green loved him coming out of college but he has yet to be the man and with LT in the shadows that won't be an easy task.

And as far as Sanchez goes 53.8% Comp for 2,444 yards 12 TD and 20 Int's is pretty bad! Especially when you consider they were playing 8 man fronts the majority of the time

And in 2007 Moss has done **** and was considered a locker room cancer. Welker was an unknown who was thought of as a jag - etc...

My point: you have no clue what you're talking about. All the players the Jets aquired have just as much of a chance of doing well as you claim they have at doing poorly.

 

[ausbacker]

Here we go with the Jets fan crap, again. The homers get so butthurt over being called out.

About as original as your post Mr. I-know-everything- because - I'm - on patsfan.com - 23 hours per day.

And in 2007 Moss has done **** and was considered a locker room cancer. Welker was an unknown who was thought of as a jag - etc...

My point: you have no clue what you're talking about. All the players the Jets aquired have just as much of a chance of doing well as you claim they have at doing poorly.

Using your rationale, nobody knows what they are talking about if they don't agree with you yet you have the audacity to call others homers.

And you wonder why people have the right or wrong perception that you're a Jets troll in disguise or one of the stranger Patsfans contributers...

 

[mgcolby]

And in 2007 Moss has done **** and was considered a locker room cancer. Welker was an unknown who was thought of as a jag - etc...

Moss was in hell without a QB or a resemblance of an offense. And if you considered Welker a JAG when he came here then I would suggest you watch football instead of talking about it!

My point: you have no clue what you're talking about. All the players the Jets aquired have just as much of a chance of doing well as you claim they have at doing poorly.

What are you talking about? How about you read what I said and then put together a coherent statement. I'm starting to think 9:20 is past your bedtime.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Moss was in hell without a QB or a resemblance of an offense. And if you considered Welker a JAG when he came here then I would suggest you watch football instead of talking about it!



What are you talking about? How about you read what I said and then put together a coherent statement. I'm starting to think 9:20 is past your bedtime.

Translation - make excuse for Moss

You were a huge fan of Wes Welker before he came to the Pats - prove it. Welker was thought of as a jag by most rival fans prior to joining the Pats. That was my point.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Using your rationale, nobody knows what they are talking about if they don't agree with you yet you have the audacity to call others homers.

And you wonder why people have the right or wrong perception that you're a Jets troll in disguise or one of the stranger Patsfans contributers...

No, my rationale states that the players the Jets have picked up have just as much of a chance of doing a good job as they do of failing and all these posters who are trying to discredit all the moves the Jets have made are the same people who were hailing the Pats as brilliant when they were using free agency to stock the team in 2007.

And no, I'm not a Jets fan.

 

[ausbacker]

No, my rationale states that the players the Jets have picked up have just as much of a chance of doing a good job as they do of failing and all these posters who are trying to discredit all the moves the Jets have made are the same people who were hailing the Pats as brilliant when they were using free agency to stock the team in 2007.

And no, I'm not a Jets fan.

Have you actually thought through any of your preceding posts and the fashion in which they reflect upon you, your opinion and your commentary which denigrates others who don't share the same point of view as you? I really don't think you have.

The Jets have chosen to attack their team construction through free agency and a smaller amount of draft picks. Good for them. What you're failing to realize is the Patriots in 2007 didn't bring in a bunch of head cases and morally questionable character men in 1 year like the Jets have. The opportunity for fireworks in the locker room and off the field is well and truly with the Jets and never was with the Patriots in 2007. That's what you're failing to address.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Have you actually thought through any of your preceding posts and the fashion in which they reflect upon you, your opinion and your commentary which denigrates others who don't share the same point of view as you? I really don't think you have.

The Jets have chosen to attack their team construction through free agency and a smaller amount of draft picks. Good for them. What you're failing to realize is the Patriots in 2007 didn't bring in a bunch of head cases and morally questionable character men in 1 year like the Jets have. The opportunity for fireworks in the locker room and off the field is well and truly with the Jets and never was with the Patriots in 2007. That's what you're failing to address.

The Pats brought in 2 -- AD and Moss. The Jets brought in 2 --Cromartie and Holmes.

For all you know Holmes and Cromartie could fit in just fine.

AD destroyerd the locker room last year. My point: you don't know how these guys will fit in.

 

[ausbacker]

The Pats brought in 2 AD and Moss. The Jets have brought in 2 in Cromartie and Holmes.

For all you know Holmes and Cromartie could fit in just fine.

You're not being serious comparing Thomas and Moss to Holmes and Cromartie are you?

 

[BostonPatriot]

You're not being serious comparing Thomas and Moss to Holmes and Cromartie are you?

So now youre saying that Randy Moss does not have a long and storied history of behavior issues and outbursts on the field?

 

[ausbacker]

So now youre saying that Randy Moss does not have a long and storied history of behavior issues and outbursts on the field?

Nope, but I'm waiting for your inclusion lists of the Jets across 2009/2010 to those of the Patriots across 2006/2007 and the comparisons. Interestingly you chose to ignore that. It's blatantly obvious why.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Since the Steelers claim they contacted all 31 teams about Holmes leaves keeps me wondering is not only did Belichick refuse the Steelers offer but Bill Parcells who also is in dire need of a receiver denied it too as well as Bill Polian who should be looking for a Wayne replacement in the near future .

These are 3 of the greatest minds,not only in today's NFL but in NFL history and all rejected the offer

Was it because of the 4 weeks of suspension,do they think Santonio is just not the right fit for thier team or maybe too much of a troublemaker? or maybe they think he is overated?

Whatever the reason these 3 teams and thier top notch leaders have rejected what we all think would be a valuable addition to any team for such a low draft pick is a mystery.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Nope, but I'm waiting for your inclusion lists of the Jets across 2009/2010 to those of the Patriots across 2006/2007 and the comparisons. Interestingly you chose to ignore that. It's blatantly obvious why.

I'm not going to do a in depth study on this issue you lunatic. Here is my opinion: You (like many other homers on this site) are putting down all the Jets free agent moves as if they are bound to fail. Newflash, the Jets moves have a pretty good chance of working out, and as a Pats fan, I'm hoping the Pats make some big moves via the draft, or it's going to be a longggg season.

Cromatrie having the Jets pass rush in front of him and Revis on the other side will do wonders for his skills. Holmes is a very good #2 and he will make a direct impact on the Jets wr corps. LT is past his prime, but still a decent depth option and can catch the ball pretty well. The Jets are a better team, no doubt about it.

 

[ausbacker]

I'm not going to do a in depth study on this issue you lunatic. Here is my opinion: You (like many other homers on this site) are putting down all the Jets free agent moves as if they are bound to fail. Newflash, the Jets moves have a pretty good chance of working out, and as a Pats fan, I'm hoping the Pats make some big moves via the draft, or it's going to be a long season.

Right, even though I have repeatedly commended the Jets on the way they've gone about roster moves in countless threads I'm a homer because I've illustrated to you why some people believe the Jets roster moves have the potential to create the most toxic locker room seen in the history of the NFL or a championship calibre outfit.

You sir, are a flog.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Since the Steelers claim they contacted all 31 teams about Holmes leaves keeps me wondering is not only did Belichick refuse the Steelers offer but Bill Parcells who also is in dire need of a receiver denied it too as well as Bill Polian who should be looking for a Wayne replacement in the near future .

These are 3 of the greatest minds,not only in today's NFL but in NFL history and all rejected the offer

Was it because of the 4 weeks of suspension,do they think Santonio is just not the right fit for thier team or maybe too much of a troublemaker? or maybe they think he is overated?

Whatever the reason these 3 teams and thier top notch leaders have rejected what we all think would be a valuable addition to any team for such a low draft pick is a mystery.

Belichick has taken in several guys with issues.

 

[Kontradiction]

Yes and no. The fluke is they only had to beat the Bungles and the Chokers.

Shortly after Sexy wrecksie ruled them out of the playoffs, their last 6 games looked like this.

Atlanta L Matt Ryan doesn't play
Colts w Gift wrapped
Bungles w Bungles being the Bungles/Gift
Bungles w Bungles
Chokers w fire Norv Turner for not kicking off/SD Chokers
Colts L not a chance in hell

You can't possibly be serious about the Bungles and the SD Chokers? It's difficult for me to take those teams seriously.

So, by your rationale, our playoff run in 2006 was a complete fluke as we "only" had to beat the Jets and the San Diego "Chokers" before we lost to the Colts. Uh huh. And yes, I am serious. The Bengals finished first in their division and the Chargers were 13-3, not having lost a game in 10 weeks. I hate the Jets, but what they were able to do despite not having a passing game was impressive.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Belichick has taken in several guys with issues.

Heres where the difference is....

In the past Belichick could take in troubled guys because he had confidence in his fellow players who were locker room veterans to be able to handle a troubled guy and make him learn the Patriot way...he does not have those type of guys in the locker room now to deal with troubled athletes...thats why I think its one of the reasons he might have passed.

I think BB realizes his team has no true leader on this team and is probably doing all he can to promote team chemistry before the season starts....getting rid of AD and Springs who I think is another closet cancer,is a beginning

 

[PatsFanStnfrd]

Give the NY Jets their due: they dare to reach for the stars... (the Super Bowl). They know what they want and they are not afraid to go out and get it......at a REASONABLE price relative to the RISK.

Not too long ago, you could say that of the Patriots (witness the Moss and Welker trade). No longer.

The Patriots mistakes of last season are haunting Patriot management. Their free agent foray of last year netted Galloway and Baker (one didn't last the season and the other was dumped this off season) and they traded valuable draft picks for mediocre talents like Lewis (from the Iggles) and Burgess from Oakland Raiders (for a third and fifth draft picks this year). Compounding these errors in talent evaluation was the lack of locker room cohesion, largely blamed on Adalius Thomas (a 07 free agent whose signing was much acclaimed at that time) and unnamed others.

Having been bitten by their past off season mistakes, they are now too shy -- too vary of making ANY risky moves no matter how low the price.

Team management and ownership seem frozen -- unable or unwilling to undertake the kind of prior signature moves that paid great dividends in the past (witness Dillon or Moss). This off season alone, the Patriots could have signed Stallworth (for near the league minimum) -- but did not. They could have traded for and signed Boldin, by all accounts a good team member, for a reasonable price -- but did not. (Yes, I know they did not have a third round draft choice to offer the Cardinals but could easily have worked out something acceptable). They could have traded for Holmes -- but did not. (Again the third and fifth pick given up for Burgess turns out to have a very high opportunity cost) Yes they deserve credit for signing their own free agents but that simply preserves the status quo team of last year. Where is the improvement? The Pats don't even seem to be involved with Jason Taylor -- who is an unrestricted free agent and one whom they openly admired.

I know part of the answer will be from the 12 picks -- four in the first two rounds -- in what is believed to be a deep draft. NY Jets now have only six picks total and two in the first two rounds. But arguably they have banked a lot of talent in Holmes and Cromartie. Last year they hit homeruns with free agents and they are willing to dare. But they are not rash -- they are taking on calculated and acceptable risk -- at a risk adjusted price they deem affordable. Indeed, if the epic length of this thread is any indication, Patriot Nation seems to have taken notice of the intelligent moves made by the Jets. Neutral observers are lauding the Jets for their moves. By any definition getting a talent like Holmes for a fifth draft choice is only possible because he is a troubled talent. But that did not stop the Patriots in the past?

What should concern us is not any specific signing by the Jets or the Ravens or any other team. What should concern Pat Fans is the evident pattern this off season of a complete LACK of willingness on the part of Patriot management in doing anything in adding through free agents. Banking on the draft is itself not without risk. This inability or unwillingness to engage is a cause for concern. As is also the management's ability to evaluate talent available through free agency or through trades.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The Patriots mistakes of last season are haunting Patriot management. Their free agent foray of last year netted Galloway and Baker (one didn't last the season and the other was dumped this off season) and they traded valuable draft picks for mediocre talents like Lewis (from the Iggles) and Burgess from Oakland Raiders (for a third and fifth draft picks this year). Compounding these errors in talent evaluation was the lack of locker room cohesion, largely blamed on Adalius Thomas (a 07 free agent whose signing was much acclaimed at that time) and unnamed others.

So you're going to mention the Pats' net FA acquisitions without bringing up Bodden? Agenda fail.