OT: Portnoy In Trouble?

[JarOfMayo51]

My judgment tells me that a 19 yo does not have the life experience to fully understand the downstream consequences of this type of interaction with someone like Portnoy. Do you disagree?

Even though you weren't directing it at me, I'd agree with that.. the same way that an 18 year old doesn't fully understand the downstream of big decisions like getting a student loan, joining the army, buying a house, getting married, etc but society has deemed them legally fit to make those life altering choices at the very ripe and impressionable age of 18, which I'm sure for all of us was our pinnacle years of wisdom and foresight.

 

[Grogan14]

Men are attracted to young fertile women of breeding age.

Women are attracted to security in men.

This literally goes back to the age of cavemen, it’s imprinted in our DNA.

I don’t care if you have daughters, you have thoughts when you see their beautiful college friends in bikinis. If you say you don’t then you’re full of baloney, even if you feel guilty about it.

Even though you weren't directing it at me, I'd agree with that.. the same way that an 18 year old doesn't fully understand the downstream of big decisions like getting a student loan, joining the army, buying a house, getting married, etc but society has deemed them legally fit to make those life altering choices at the very ripe and impressionable age of 18, which I'm sure for all of us was our pinnacle years of wisdom and foresight.

point well taken.

 

[Ian]

@Ian you know I love you, but if you are 42, it is time to grow up. There is kink and stock manipulation all over the world, for heavens sake, @Ian probably thinks Martha Stewart was framed. Are 19 and 20 year old women too young to understand kink? Is it creepy for a 44 year old to ask a 19 year old for a night of kink? Yes probably. Is it a hit piece? Yes absolutely. Was the hit piece published the day Penn's earnings were vulnerable? Yes absolutely. Is there anything wrong with kink between two consulting adults? No absolutely nothing wrong with that, and no federal law against it . Is there something wrong with a sex hit piece in Business Insider to manipulate Penn's stock price? OH sorry, that was simply a coincidence and I have teenage daughters, blah, blah, blah. Please grow up. Stock manipulation is a federal felony.

I'm almost 46 - and I'm aware of kink, etc. No, I don't think Martha Stewart was framed. No, I don't need to grow up. I don't live under a rock and I'm certainly not in denial of how the world works. But while you might not think it matters, having a daughter in that age group gives you a different perspective and it does affect your thinking. Or, at least for me, it does.

My issue is simply this, which I mentioned in a previous post. Again, he got her to agree to come to his home and they agreed to have sex. However, if what the girl in the article says is true, it seems like it crossed a line where he went too far. I won't pretend to understand its legalities and in the end, it may end up as nothing more than an incredibly damaging article to him in terms of his reputation.

And yes, he's done some great things for businesses, etc., that's definitely true and I've mentioned it previously and I'll give him all the credit in the world for that. But that has no bearing on this and none of this sheds a great light on him from a personal standpoint, regardless of how it goes.

And if you're into kink or whatever, hey, that's definitely cool if it's your thing. But again, based on what she said, this sounds like a fantasy that went way too far and it feels like he may not quite be able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality, which is definitely a serious "miscommunication" to say the least on his part. Especially for someone with a 20+ year age advantage who given his position, you would think would know better.

Either way, even should nothing come out of it, it would at least be nice if he would be more aware of it during any of his future conquests.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I confess I sometimes wonder if there is something about me that attracts this type of woman or if it is just an incredibly common desire amongst the females of the population. I am starting to lean towards the latter.

Its most likely the result of sh*tty parenting and/or deadbeat, absentee fathers

 

[XLIX]

you have someone stating they revoked consent yet he continued.....that's def crossing a line if true, although more than likely not prosecutable

If that is true, then it absolutely crosses the line we, as society, have drawn into our legal code. However, IMHO, there is plenty of reasonable doubt so, as you say, it is not prosecutable as a practical matter.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

I've always been a "I believe evidence" guy. I think that all sexual misconduct allegations should be taken deadly seriously and investigated to the fullest extent possible, and if found guilty the perpetrator should face the full weight of the law, but still be innocent until proven guilty.

That said I haven't liked Portnoy or Barstool personally for a while now, ever since I learned how they steal content from smaller creators. To my mind the only good thing Barstool ever did was the Goodell clown shirt, and I'd gladly wipe the memory of that from my brain if it meant they weren't allowed to get away with the stealing. Portnoy just seems to like being a douche for the sake of being a douche.

 

[Ian]

I've always been a "I believe evidence" guy. I think that all sexual misconduct allegations should be taken deadly seriously and investigated to the fullest extent possible, and if found guilty the perpetrator should face the full weight of the law, but still be innocent until proven guilty.

That said I haven't liked Portnoy or Barstool personally for a while now, ever since I learned how they steal content from smaller creators. To my mind the only good thing Barstool ever did was the Goodell clown shirt, and I'd gladly wipe the memory of that from my brain if it meant they weren't allowed to get away with the stealing. Portnoy just seems to like being a douche for the sake of being a douche.

I remember Jeff Howe calling him out when they were about to start selling T-Shirts with the Belichick drinking orange juice photo that Jeff took that's turned into a popular meme. He changed course on that one. But God only knows how many other people they've profited from who didn't have the platform or professional affiliation Jeff has.

But regardless, just to be clear, I'm certainly not hoping or rooting for anything bad to happen to him. At the same time, if this does turn out badly for him, I also won't feel bad for him either.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

"Crossed the line" is an incredibly vague term. Your line and my line and his line may be entirely different, so I am not going to debate something so vague. To me, the key question is: did he break the law? This returns me to my statement that people are going to believe whatever they want to believe but no one can intelligently claim at this point it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Quite honestly, I don't even see how one can argue it has been demonstrated by a preponderance of evidence.

We really won’t ever know barring some secret confession. More likely, one person believed a line was crossed and the other didn’t. The problem is that the law is actually based on consent, which can be complicated when it comes to these situations.

I‘m definitely not arguing that someone should be convicted of a crime based solely on the statement of another person, in the absence of any other evidence. But when it comes to public opinion, my point is this: Portnoy was already in the news about his rough sex stuff, and the issue of consent was already discussed then. The dog collar lady went on a publicity tour to proclaim that she consented to everything.

That’s all fine. Portnoy can do what he wants. But now you have a 19 year old basically claiming she was confused about where fantasy ended and about how much she was consenting to. We all know the line is thin between simulated rape and real rape. It doesn’t seem like Portnoy, a guy who is experienced at this and knows how much his image could be damaged, did too much to ensure this type of thing wouldn’t happen to him.

The guy has joked about rape in the past. He‘s built a cult of personality on the “**** off if you don’t like it” mantra and frequently invited the public into his personal life when it benefits him. If people think he probably is a sexual predator/scumbag, he has only himself to blame. This isn’t some “woke mob”; it’s just people who have no evidence to make a real judgment but judge his character negatively and don’t trust him.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I don't like Portnoy and think he's a douche. And I don't have a lot of sympathy for the heat he's taking now.

But at the same time I think it's also very troubling if a woman is the one who repeatedly, proactively reached out to a famous person, basically tells him they're up for X, shows up to that guy's house, and has post-event texts talking about how they liked it and are up for more.... and then years later starts to claim Y.

Does anyone else remember that girl who posted a pic next to a sleeping Edelman, trying to show off on social media? It's not always the guy's fault, there are definitely women throwing themselves at guys and it's very dangerous if they can just spin a different tune years down the road.

Famous guys need to contact-up before any physical contact, this is how crazy it's getting.

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[Steve102]

Pretty easy to see who has a dark side and who lives in a white picket fence 2 dogs and a cat world in this thread, that's for sure.

 

[Ian]

Pretty easy to see who has a dark side and who lives in a white picket fence 2 dogs and a cat world in this thread, that's for sure.

I didn't mean to be so harsh to @One-If-By-Sea because I get this sort of thing goes on and I doubt it was meant the way it seemed to come out...you obviously can't judge tone on a forum. And again, hey, I'll root for those who keep things interesting with their wives/husbands/significant others. All the power to them. But I do feel like you have to be ultra-aware of things in that situation and it sounds like, again - according to what she was quoted as saying in the article - he may not have been.

 

[Patjew]

This ^

The whole “I would never do that” argument is null and void unless you’re fabulously rich, good looking or famous.

And Barstool didn’t take advantage of girls by posting their Instagram pictures on their site. That was the entire purpose of girls posting thirst traps online, they wanted and reveled in the attention. They wanted clicks and free money or to become a social media influencer. These social media pages have privacy settings that only allow selected friends to see your photos... privacy was never their intention.

Leo is a great example, people wag their finger at the old fat wealthy guy who has young arm candy on his arm… but the old good looking famous guy… totally cool. No woman is coming back years later regretting her sex with Leo… she’s proudly announcing it to the world.

These girls (probably) regret screwing this not attractive guy because it didn’t lead to marriage, fame, tickets to the Met Gala or a lavish lifestyle they feel that they’re entitled to.

Hypocrites all, social media is a disease… and yes I’m fully aware of where I’m saying this.

Leo is kinda fat.

 

[Steve102]

Leo is kinda fat.

He enjoys life to the fullest, from what I see.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

That isn't what is happening here. From her story, she said she wanted to stop and he wouldn't. He had consent for sex, that doesn't mean he has consent to do whatever he wants, especially if she says stop.

I agree with you, and is one of the many reasons on a long list of why I never had the interest or desire to venture into this world. I know that some people take it to pretty intense extremes, at least from my perspective, and the very little i know of rape fantasy, etc is that some people actually play out pretty intense "rape scenes", and this also applies to like bondage/BDSM type stuff, where the line is very intentionally blurred for that thrill/excitement.. and often why safe words are implemented, so that participants can end the encounter and let the other person clearly know they want it to end without confusing it as part of the "experience"

This stuff is not my cup of tea, but I know there is a fairly large community of people who like to have these intense experiences

Louis CK had a funny skit about it; (sorry the video quality is horrendous, couldnt find a higher quality one that was short and to the point)

 

[Steve102]

I didn't mean to be so harsh to @One-If-By-Sea because I get this sort of thing goes on and I doubt it was meant the way it seemed to come out...you obviously can't judge tone on a forum. And again, hey, I'll root for those who keep things interesting with their wives/husbands/significant others. All the power to them. But I do feel like you have to be ultra-aware of things in that situation and it sounds like, again - according to what she was quoted as saying in the article - he may not have been.

The whole, you come to the house alone without your older 22 year old friends thing should be a red flag to even the most naïve in our society.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I didn't mean to be so harsh to @One-If-By-Sea because I get this sort of thing goes on and I doubt it was meant the way it seemed to come out...you obviously can't judge tone on a forum. And again, hey, I'll root for those who keep things interesting with their wives/husbands/significant others. All the power to them. But I do feel like you have to be ultra-aware of things in that situation and it sounds like, again - according to what she was quoted as saying in the article - he may not have been.

I did not think you were harsh.

I have 2 daughters but this situation with Pourtnoy does not make me think of them. If one of my daughters hooks up with an older rich guy and later regrets it, I will talk it through with them and help them learn from it. We all make mistakes, including my daughters. I do not see hooking up with an older rich guy as an egregious mistake, it is a quite mild mistake IMO, and would want to help them work their way through the emotional issue they have. There are a lot worse issues for you to worry about with your teenage daughter IMO.

 

[Kontradiction]

Me when people automatically say “BELIEVE HER!!!” after one of these accusations comes up…

 

[lancerman]

Portnoy has spent his entire life straddling the line, so no these allegations don't surprise me. That said, I doubt much comes of it because it sounds more like Portnoy doing just enough to blur the lines and be a creep but isn't clear enough to make a legal case. I grew out of Barstool once they stopped doing Ass of the Day so I am emotionally divorced from the drama over there.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

WTF is your problem? Someone piss in your cornflakes again this morning?

Leonardo DiCaprio is a brilliant, Academy Award winning actor. I am not even remotely ashamed to say I am a fan of many of his works. He was fantastic in such films as Wolf of Wall Street, Django Unchained, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, Inception, Blood Diamond, The Departed, The Aviator, and Growing Pains (ok that last one was a joke). The only problem is that he was dogsh*t in what is easily his most famous movie, Titanic... but I blame Cameron for that more than DiCaprio. Titanic's strengths were the effects and settings, less so the acting and their direction.

Not a huge fan of Leo’s acting, but he’s not bad. For whatever reason, I just rarely buy any of his characters. But you have to list The Revenant. That’s an amazing performance, and really hard to pull off when you’re already so famous and the performance is so hyped going in. Also, Shutter Island.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The Revenant. .

His best acting job.