OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

If players can stay healthy, and Brady doesn't show some big decline, it's going to be wild just watching all the various personnel combinations. The passing attack personnel is at least 9 players deep (though Johnson would seem to be the clear #9), and that's with dismissing all but one RB as part of it.

Evans
Godwin
Brown
Miller
Johnson

Gronk
Howard
Brate

Bernard

Weapunz r stoopid and dont matter.

 

[amfootball]

WITH HEALTH it’s one of the most stacked offenses I’ve ever seen. What are the rivals? 2013 Broncos? 2007 Pats? I feel like those two were a bit too top heavy and then it came to bite them in the ass. 2017 Pats might have been close but Edelman goes down in the preseason.

The only team that comes close is the 2001 Rams with those 3 receivers and Faulk. I don't remember the TE position though.

I think Tampa is still better because they are so deep at every offensive skill position and have Brady.

 

[Deus Irae]

The only team that comes close is the 2001 Rams with those 3 receivers and Faulk. I don't remember the TE position though.

I think Tampa is still better because they are so deep at every offensive skill position and have Brady.

Something to think about:

The 90's Cowboys didn't have quite the depth, but Smith (RB), Johnston (FB), Novacek (TE), Irving (WR1), Harper (WR2), Kelvin Martin (WR3) is a damn fine top 6, and some of those Walsh/Montana 49 teams were insanely well stocked on offense.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Something to think about:

The 90's Cowboys didn't have quite the depth, but Smith (RB), Johnston (FB), Novacek (TE), Irving (WR1), Harper (WR2), Kelvin Martin (WR3) is a damn fine top 6, and some of those Walsh/Montana 49 teams were insanely well stocked on offense.

Cowboys also with one of the great offensive lines ever. Worth mentioning, even if that’s beyond the scope. That front 5 was so dominant.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Here’s one where you wonder what could have been with some competence:

1995 Detroit Lions
Sanders (RB) - 1,500 yards, 11 TDs, 4.8 ypa
Moore (WR) - 1,686 yards, 14 TDs
Perriman (WR) - 1,488 yards, 9 TDs
Morton (WR) - 590 yards, 8 TDs

Morton would ultimately get Perriman’s targets to become a perennial 1,000 yard receiver.

Scott Mitchell only threw 12 INTs…the defense ranked 14th.

10-6, bounced in first round after getting down 51-7 to the Eagles, who had the 22nd ranked offense led by Rodney Peete.

Wayne Fontes.

 

[amfootball]

Something to think about:

The 90's Cowboys didn't have quite the depth, but Smith (RB), Johnston (FB), Novacek (TE), Irving (WR1), Harper (WR2), Kelvin Martin (WR3) is a damn fine top 6, and some of those Walsh/Montana 49 teams were insanely well stocked on offense.

For sure. They were built to run though with Smith. Tampa is such a dynamic pass team with the WRs and TEs AND also has a collection of pretty solid RBs especially with the addition of Bernard. Of course, football was so different in the 90s compared to today's game. But Dallas really was built to dominate during that era and they did.

 

[1960Pats]

I saw a guy this week with this logo on his shirt...

...and it got me thinking about how all of that has changed.

Right now, Tampa Bay is the City of Champions and is looking at a possible double repeat.

 

[amfootball]

I saw a guy this week with this logo on his shirt...

...and it got me thinking about how all of that has changed.

Right now, Tampa Bay is the City of Champions and is looking at a possible double repeat.

It is surreal isn't it? As soon as Brady arrives, the Lightning win it all and are poised to do so again. The Rays get to the Finals and of course the Bucs win it all.

 

[sb1]

Barring injury I can’t see where this team likely loses a game. We know about the offense but the defense is excellent too. Division is weak. Chiefs in a rematch? Not sold. Bills? Don’t think they have the defense to slow them down and let their offense keep up in a shootout. Pats? Cam Newton vs that pass rush? Lol

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

If it wasn't for Covid last year giving him and the Lakers a 2 month break in the middle of the regular season, he is bounced from the West before the Finals. Basically in 3 years in the West he has missed the playoffs, had the Covid run, bounced in first round this year. To your point, I give him very little credit for his runs to the Finals when he was in the East. His teams never had any real flow because he was so focused on NOT being Jordan that he would not just take the ball and score and win the game(s). That is what is so irksome about him. He totally could be THAT guy but he does not want to be because Jordan is rammed so far up his head he can't see straight.

BTW, what about his statement on the Shop when he said he is the all time GOAT over Brady because he plays offense and defense. LOL, LOL, LOL.
I think you actually have to be the consensus GOAT in your own sport before you can be the GOAT over the undisputed GOAT of football. The guy is such a buffoon. Brady actually DID surpass Michael which makes Lebron's take even more amusing.

LeBron’s “I’m the GOAT” boasts are outright embarassing. He sounds like a moron inventing self-serving criteria and shows zero awareness of anyone before him. Also he uses “I” describe the team accomplishments.

 

[Deus Irae]

Barring injury I can’t see where this team likely loses a game. We know about the offense but the defense is excellent too. Division is weak. Chiefs in a rematch? Not sold. Bills? Don’t think they have the defense to slow them down and let their offense keep up in a shootout. Pats? Cam Newton vs that pass rush? Lol

They've got a tough schedule and, as we've seen, they are a team that can string together a whole bunch of bad plays in a game. They might win every game. Then again, they could drop a bunch of games and be considered a disappointment heading into the latter part of the season.

 

[amfootball]

LeBron’s “I’m the GOAT” boasts are outright embarassing. He sounds like a moron inventing self-serving criteria and shows zero awareness of anyone before him. Also he uses “I” describe the team accomplishments.

It is rather ironic that he says Brady plays more of a TEAM game when he is the one that left Cleveland twice to assemble dream teams so he could win titles.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Truly cringy...who is that guy on the couch who is trying to distance himself? Lmfaooo

 

[VectorPrime]

Truly cringy...who is that guy on the couch who is trying to distance himself? Lmfaooo

This is two Super Bowl wins ago.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

This is two Super Bowl wins ago.

He's not talking about Brady here...he's talking about being the GOAT basketball player.

That 2015/16 Warriors team was something else, going 73-9 during the regular season. But they ran out of gas down the stretch; they were down 3-1 to Oklahoma City in the conference finals before scratching and clawing to the finals. The team itself, with Curry, Thompson, and Green as their "Big 3" wasn't even close to being some unbeatable juggernaut. They had a great formula that other teams hadn't caught up to but were starting to catch up to. As it relates to the Finals, Curry had been slowed down with a bum ankle all postseason. Green was ejected from Game 6. Bogut blew out his knee in Game 4.

LeBron had a strong supporting cast with Irving and Love, along with a handful of solid contributors. Of course, they underachieved all year in terms of having dominant talent but not a dominant w/l record, much like LeBron's teams have often done.

Preseason Championship Odds, 2015
Cleveland, +280
Golden State, +480

LeBron was awesome in the Finals...there's no doubt...but this view that he personally took down an invincible opponent is hog wash.

 

[amfootball]

It was a very pathetic interview. The guy has the skin of an onion. He will never catch Jordan. He knows it so he has to play up one Finals win when that same team has beaten him 3 other times.

 

[VectorPrime]

The Warriors winning 73 games wore them out just like 16-0 wore out the 2007 Patriots.

 

[amfootball]

The Warriors winning 73 games wore them out just like 16-0 wore out the 2007 Patriots.

If Green does not get suspended for name calling Lebron, GS wins in 5. Weakest suspension ever.

 

[VectorPrime]

If Green does not get suspended for name calling Lebron, GS wins in 5. Weakest suspension ever.

Green did like 3 groin shots that post season it was his own fault.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It annoys me that the Warriors overachieved all season and their players put it all out there. They were talented, sure, but they sprinted all year to chase history. The Cavs underachieved all year, went through the ego drama with LeBron and firing Blatt (Lue’s record was worse btw but he bowed to LeBron.). Cavs such a typical team of selfish a-hole divas with LeBron and Kyrie…couldn’t figure out how to play together while Warriors were incredibly selfless with their team approach.

In the end the Cavs got the breaks down the stretch with health, lack of expectations, etc. And LeBron brags and rubs salt about the series and laughs that the Warriors were chokers, acting like he was David versus a team of Goliaths. Again, the Cavs were the actual hatable super team; the Warriors were all homegrown and greater than the sum of their parts. The Cavs were the championship favorites with the well known all star players who manufactured a contender, even if that got obscured by their immaturity and poor leadership.

That changed with the KD signing, after which point yes, the Warriors were virtually invincible and LeBron taking his crappy supporting casts in 2016 and 2017 to the Finals to beat Curry, Thompson, Durant, Green…would have been absolutely bonkers. But he didn’t. Not even close…1-8 record. He’s basically taking credit for something he didn’t really accomplish.