OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Tony2046]

Drive 4 would have ended in a touchdown if not for an awful drop in the end zone.

Wasn't that thrown to a lineman? If it was I thought it was a good defensive play.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It's all part of the narrative of recent years, though. Diminish Brady's play in favor of Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Watson. And, in this case, it's easy to do just by keeping analysis at surface level. But the game was basically won right here, with drives 3-6 (Drive 4 was the Chiefs' goal line stand):




Super Bowl LV - Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Kansas City Chiefs - February 7th, 2021 | Pro-Football-Reference.com


Then, as you pointed out, the death blow was drive 7, after the Chiefs were forced to settle for that field goal.

Reid using his own timeouts to keep Tampa’s drive alive before halftime was an astonishingly bad move even without hindsight. The Bucs were slicing through them and the Chiefs weren’t doing anything if they managed to get the ball back with twenty seconds left. It was a terrible move using analytics and a much worse move using common sense.

Drive 4 would have ended in a touchdown if not for an awful drop in the end zone.

Ronald Jones failing to leap, stretch out and project himself over the defender was pathetic.

 

[amfootball]

It's all part of the narrative of recent years, though. Diminish Brady's play in favor of Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Watson. And, in this case, it's easy to do just by keeping analysis at surface level. But the game was basically won right here, with drives 3-6 (Drive 4 was the Chiefs' goal line stand):




Super Bowl LV - Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Kansas City Chiefs - February 7th, 2021 | Pro-Football-Reference.com


Then, as you pointed out, the death blow was drive 7, after the Chiefs were forced to settle for that field goal.

That is a great graphic. Pretty much the same thing happened in the GB game too. Brady scored the dagger to Miller to end the half. Then the Bucs get the fumble on GBs opening drive, and Brady hits the TD to the TE to go up 28-10. It makes it so easy for the defense to play like mad men with that type of lead in the third quarter.

You are right about the narrative to diminish Brady and prop up the other QBs. He basically played a flawless SB and led his team up and down the field from drive 3 on. If not for Jones not extending the ball on the goal line they score on 6 straight possessions (5Tds and 1 FG). I mean that is a total beatdown and just as dominant as what the D was doing to Mahomes. Brady and the O literally stopped trying to score with 6 minutes to go in the third. If they had kept going, they could have gotten to 45+ points easily.

 

[VectorPrime]

Brady and the Bucs just won all their ESPYs

 

[Deus Irae]

That is a great graphic. Pretty much the same thing happened in the GB game too. Brady scored the dagger to Miller to end the half. Then the Bucs get the fumble on GBs opening drive, and Brady hits the TD to the TE to go up 28-10. It makes it so easy for the defense to play like mad men with that type of lead in the third quarter.

You are right about the narrative to diminish Brady and prop up the other QBs. He basically played a flawless SB and led his team up and down the field from drive 3 on. If not for Jones not extending the ball on the goal line they score on 6 straight possessions (5Tds and 1 FG). I mean that is a total beatdown and just as dominant as what the D was doing to Mahomes. Brady and the O literally stopped trying to score with 6 minutes to go in the third. If they had kept going, they could have gotten to 45+ points easily.

We saw something similar with the AFCCG. The narrative there was the Brady almost gave the game away, as if Evans blowing 2 routes (or, arguably, 1 1/2) was Brady's fault. Some of that's just about story line and trying to craft a compelling finish to the games. But a lot of it, as we see with the talk show circuit after the games, is about creating the desired narratives (in the case of the NFCCG, that narrative was Rodgers gamely trying to win, only to be held back by his coach, even though it wasn't the coach who threw the pick at the end of the first half and it wasn't the coach who failed to get into the endzone with 3 shots from the Tampa Bay 8 at the end of the second half).

 

[amfootball]

We saw something similar with the AFCCG. The narrative there was the Brady almost gave the game away, as if Evans blowing 2 routes (or, arguably, 1 1/2) was Brady's fault. Some of that's just about story line and trying to craft a compelling finish to the games. But a lot of it, as we see with the talk show circuit after the games, is about creating the desired narratives (in the case of the NFCCG, that narrative was Rodgers gamely trying to win, only to be held back by his coach, even though it wasn't the coach who threw the pick at the end of the first half and it wasn't the coach who failed to get into the endzone with 3 shots from the Tampa Bay 8 at the end of the second half).

I have also heard Brady was a game manager for the post season with the D carrying him. 10 tds and 30+ points for 4 straight playoff games, an NFL record, and yet he was being carried.

Think about this - imagine if any of the 3 QBs Brady beat (Brees, Rodgers, Mahomes) had done what he did. Beating 3 HoF QBs scoring 30+ points in the process with 3 road wins. What would the narrative be? Rodgers might have been propped up as the undisputed Goat because he's soooo talented. Brees too as records + 2 Sbs means he's the goat. Mahomes with just 2 rings would be said to have almost caught Brady despite being 4 rings behind. They were already itching to say that leading up hence the baby goat nonsense.

It's interesting hearing the Chiefs players come out now saying they were shaclacked in the SB and embarrassed and their sooo motivated to show it was an abberation. I really think that game has left a deep mark. We'll find out just how mentally tough they are. I mean Kelce and Hill are really have never been tough guys. Front runners? Definitely. Dig down deep and get up when your teeth are punched in? Not so much.

 

[Tony2046]

We saw something similar with the AFCCG. The narrative there was the Brady almost gave the game away, as if Evans blowing 2 routes (or, arguably, 1 1/2) was Brady's fault. Some of that's just about story line and trying to craft a compelling finish to the games. But a lot of it, as we see with the talk show circuit after the games, is about creating the desired narratives (in the case of the NFCCG, that narrative was Rodgers gamely trying to win, only to be held back by his coach, even though it wasn't the coach who threw the pick at the end of the first half and it wasn't the coach who failed to get into the endzone with 3 shots from the Tampa Bay 8 at the end of the second half).

The failed TD at the end of the second half epitomizes Rodger's career imo. He froze. The TD was there.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The failed TD at the end of the second half epitomizes Rodger's career imo. He froze. The TD was there.

The INT at the end of the first half was such a back breaker too. They were down 14-10 at the time.

 

[Pats1971]

The INT at the end of the first half was such a back breaker too. They were down 14-10 at the time.

Especially with what happened next.

 

[amfootball]

Especially with what happened next.

Classic Brady. He smelled blood after that pick and finally had a HC that had the guts to let him stick the dagger in before half.

 

[VectorPrime]

Oh good god

 

[carmelo15]

Popovich out here proving Duncan/Brady right

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Popovich out here proving Duncan/Brady right

tHeY CoUlD wIn WiThOuT dUnCaN CaUsE tHe CoAcH

 

[amfootball]

Oh good god

I am sure that clip must make Saints fans so happy. LOL

 

[1960Pats]

Popovich out here proving Duncan/Brady right

Huh?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Huh?

Player > Coach

 

[VectorPrime]

Only vaguely related to Brady but I thought it was kind of notable that for the All Star Game in Denver last night they had Peyton Manning throw the first pitch. More evidence that he really identifies with the Broncos. Don’t be shocked if Brady kind of does the same kind of thing.

 

[amfootball]

Only vaguely related to Brady but I thought it was kind of notable that for the All Star Game in Denver last night they had Peyton Manning throw the first pitch. More evidence that he really identifies with the Broncos. Don’t be shocked if Brady kind of does the same kind of thing.

Peyton is living in Denver I believe. But your point is still valid. I can't say I blame Manning at all though. Irsay treated him like garbage on the way out calling him out for his star numbers and one ring, noodle arm, etc.

That being said, I could care less if Brady does more with Tampa than us. I do think his relationship with Kraft is still in tact so I am not sure if he will never come back or identify but I can see him doing more with Tampa. I think he may end up living there as well post-retirement.

 

[VectorPrime]

Watch Brady come back to do events and Patriots stuff in New England the day after Belichick retires.

 

[sb1]

Only vaguely related to Brady but I thought it was kind of notable that for the All Star Game in Denver last night they had Peyton Manning throw the first pitch. More evidence that he really identifies with the Broncos. Don’t be shocked if Brady kind of does the same kind of thing.

I think Manning absolutely identifies himself as a Denver Bronco and not a Colt. Being told about his induction in Mile High Stadium and he was wearing a Broncos jersey. I don't think that was a coincidence, it was definitely a diss at the Colts and this is probably why.
Peyton Manning's Arm 'Is A Noodle,' Super Bowl Leak Was 'Calculated,' Says Indy Columnist - SBNation.com

I really hope Brady doesn't feel that way about the Patriots. He talked about football being fun again but I think that was more about BB than the organization so we'll see.