OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Deus Irae]

Why do you have Godwin so high? Even without Evans that WR core is very good no add in AB and there still elite without paying two WR’s stupid money. They literally can’t replace what David does there no linebacker out there, David/White is arguably the best foul in the league they can’t lose him he’s too important

Because, since AB can't be counted on as a centerpiece player, Godwin's the Edelman/Brown/Welker of the Bucs.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Who cares - let Tampa do what they want. It doesn't affect us.

Since you asked.
I care. And apparently so do some other pats fans. You can easily Ignore this thread.

 

[Kontradiction]

Since you asked.
I care. And apparently so do some other pats fans. You can easily Ignore this thread.

Meh. If he doesn’t, we can always bump some of his old, terrible posts. There’s a treasure trove of them.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Because, since AB can't be counted on as a centerpiece player, Godwin's the Edelman/Brown/Welker of the Bucs.

I don't think any of the 3 had as many drops per playoff series as Godwin did.
Brown, Edelman and Dola always played their best, post season.
Godwin finally did play reliably in the final, SB game.
Bucs need a reliable short yardage across the middle move the chains guy. Godwin is too expensive for that and hasn't shown that ability. He's a fast, usually reliable (but not in post season) mid range guy. Maybe he's over the post season butterflies but I'm not all in for a $$$ contract.

 

[amfootball]

I don't think any of the 3 had as many drops per playoff series as Godwin did.
Brown, Edelman and Dola always played their best, post season.
Godwin finally did play reliably in the final, SB game.
Bucs need a reliable short yardage across the middle move the chains guy. Godwin is too expensive for that and hasn't shown that ability. He's a fast, usually reliable (but not in post season) mid range guy. Maybe he's over the post season butterflies but I'm not all in for a $$$ contract.

Brady loves him. He will be back.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Rooting for the Patriots has been by random birth location, but I love having my team, especially no longer living there but keeping the tradition. It's fun not only rooting for Boston teams but talking to my kids about the older times.

Rooting for Brady has been by conscious choice and principle. I sure wouldn't be a superfan like this if it weren't for Deflategate, but Deflategate happened, and there's no possible way I'd feel right rooting against Brady or even being neutral. And to anyone, including our resident bipolar troll, who thinks I'll enjoy rooting for Brady any less due to some dumbass idea of guilt or betrayal...

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't think any of the 3 had as many drops per playoff series as Godwin did.
Brown, Edelman and Dola always played their best, post season.
Godwin finally did play reliably in the final, SB game.
Bucs need a reliable short yardage across the middle move the chains guy. Godwin is too expensive for that and hasn't shown that ability. He's a fast, usually reliable (but not in post season) mid range guy. Maybe he's over the post season butterflies but I'm not all in for a $$$ contract.

Godwin was in his first playoffs, and had that finger that he'd broken earlier in the year. And, really, he wasn't much different from Edelman, who gets the mother of all hall passes for his drops.

If you look at the 2020 Bucs, you find a WR corps that was strikingly similar in makeup to the 2007 Patriots (I'm talking about style/game play/usage, not talent level).

Evans = Moss
Godwin = Welker
Miller = Stallworth
AB = Gaffney

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Rooting for the Patriots has been by random birth location, but I love having my team, especially no longer living there but keeping the tradition. It's fun not only rooting for Boston teams but talking to my kids about the older times.

Rooting for Brady has been by conscious choice and principle. I sure wouldn't be a superfan like this if it weren't for Deflategate, but Deflategate happened, and there's no possible way I'd feel right rooting against Brady or even being neutral. And to anyone, including our resident bipolar troll, who thinks I'll enjoy rooting for Brady any less due to some dumbass idea of guilt or betrayal...

Well, it seems like some people on this forum would rather have JJ Watt. Godwin, and a whole bunch of other star players sign with Tampa just for Brady to have a loaded team as opposed to those guys signing here for the right price. It's almost as if these same fans have given up on the 2021 Patriots and have looked south to boost their happiness or something...

 

[Deus Irae]

Well, it seems like some people on this forum would rather have JJ Watt. Godwin, and a whole bunch of other star players sign with Tampa just for Brady to have a loaded team as opposed to those guys signing here for the right price. It's almost as if these same fans have given up on the 2021 Patriots and have looked southward...

If only there were some way, some mechanism or method, for you to be able to ignore this thread...

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Well, it seems like some people on this forum would rather have JJ Watt. Godwin, and a whole bunch of other star players sign with Tampa just for Brady to have a loaded team as opposed to those guys signing here for the right price. It's almost as if these same fans have given up on the 2021 Patriots and have looked southward...

I've said for a year they should be trading all of their older assets for draft picks and starting over. They didn't in 2020 and now look where they are...even more holes, a worse roster, fewer opportunities to flip those players for picks. Now there's all this cap space not allotted to their own guys; that's a very bad situation to be in. A "cap reset" is actually the worst position to be in where you have too much money to spend on free agency, which by its nature gives poor returns.

The Bucs should be looking at elite, veteran players since their roster is so complete and middle-class guys won't improve them.

The Patriots should be looking at finding some higher-upside, younger players (first non-rookie contract) and trying for 4-year deals. It's okay if they overpay for potential right now.

You should give up on the 2021 season, too, in terms of being focused on the win/loss results. It will be better for the Patriots in the long run to prioritize future potential value over present established value. It will also be a lot more fun for us all to watch the team re-invent itself as players start to gel, rather than watching a team without much future optimism struggle to win 8 games.

If Bill can't see that, he really does need to bring some new football people in to check and balance his oversight. Sometimes wisdom is doing the obvious thing when the situation calls for it, rather than playing a contrarian strategy to your own demise.

 

[amfootball]

I've said for a year they should be trading all of their assets for draft picks and starting over. They didn't in 2020 and now look where they are...even more holes, a worse roster, fewer opportunities to flip those players for picks.

The Bucs should be looking at elite, veteran players since their roster is so complete and middle-class guys won't improve them.

The Patriots should be looking at finding some higher-upside, younger players (first non-rookie contract) and trying for 4-year deals. It's okay if they overpay for potential right now.

You should give up on the 2021 season, too, in terms of being focused on the win/loss results. It will be better for the Patriots in the long run to prioritize future potential value over present established value. It will also be a lot more fun for us all to watch the team re-invent itself as players start to gel, rather than watching a team without much future optimism struggle to win 8 games.

If Bill can't see that, he really does need to bring some new football people in to check and balance his oversight. Sometimes wisdom is doing the obvious thing when the situation calls for it, rather than playing a contrarian strategy to your own demise.

I agree with this but I doubt it happens. There is no luxury in the NFL for a slow rebuild especially for a franchise that set the record for winning the last 2 decades. Brady winning a SB in year one has set a fire to this org to produce. I would rather they do what you are saying but I don't see it. I do think they will spend a ton of money on FAs and use picks to acquire talent now. The egos on One Patriots are enormous and they will not be looked at less than for even one season. Last year was the reset. This year is the load up year.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I agree with this but I doubt it happens. There is no luxury in the NFL for a slow rebuild especially for a franchise that set the record for winning the last 2 decades. Brady winning a SB in year one has set a fire to this org to produce. I would rather they do what you are saying but I don't see it. I do think they will spend a ton of money on FAs and use picks to acquire talent now. The egos on One Patriots are enormous and they will not be looked at less than for even one season. Last year was the reset. This year is the load up year.

Oh man...I hope that doesn't happen.

It would really fly in the face of everything I've thought about why Bill Belichick is so brilliant for the last twenty years. I agree that a "slow rebuild" doesn't make a lot of sense either, but pushing all of your chips in just seems like such a bad play right now.

 

[Angelpats]

Who cares - let Tampa do what they want. It doesn't affect us.

They play our division next year, they could help determine the division winner.

 

[Tony2046]

It may not have been a called play, but it's hard for me to believe that Brady and AB didn't go over that at some point, in one of the many "if....then" scenarios that Brady loves to go over with his receivers. Brady, like BB, is a man of a thousand and one details.

Case in point, (and my argument is this) Brady locks right on AB after the fake handoff. He doesn't look anywhere else.

That's a good point. It seemed to be too much of a bang bang play to be improvised after the snap.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's a good point. It seemed to be to much of a bang bang play to be improvised after the snap.

It was a read off of the DB leverage. That's classic Brady/WR synergy. It's interesting (to me) to note the lack of that between Brady and Evans as a comparison.

 

[sb1]

Who cares - let Tampa do what they want. It doesn't affect us.

Kind of does. They are playing the AFCE next year.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Kind of does. They are playing the AFCE next year.

So we should hope that the Bucs DON'T sign Godwin...unlike what @PatsWickedPissah is hoping for...

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I've said for a year they should be trading all of their older assets for draft picks and starting over. They didn't in 2020 and now look where they are...even more holes, a worse roster, fewer opportunities to flip those players for picks. Now there's all this cap space not allotted to their own guys; that's a very bad situation to be in. A "cap reset" is actually the worst position to be in where you have too much money to spend on free agency, which by its nature gives poor returns.

The Bucs should be looking at elite, veteran players since their roster is so complete and middle-class guys won't improve them.

The Patriots should be looking at finding some higher-upside, younger players (first non-rookie contract) and trying for 4-year deals. It's okay if they overpay for potential right now.

You should give up on the 2021 season, too, in terms of being focused on the win/loss results. It will be better for the Patriots in the long run to prioritize future potential value over present established value. It will also be a lot more fun for us all to watch the team re-invent itself as players start to gel, rather than watching a team without much future optimism struggle to win 8 games.

If Bill can't see that, he really does need to bring some new football people in to check and balance his oversight. Sometimes wisdom is doing the obvious thing when the situation calls for it, rather than playing a contrarian strategy to your own demise.

So you would root for the Pats to do poorly over the next several years and root for Brady to pad his ring total? Sorry, I'm not going there...I can fully understand Pats fans cheering hard for Brady in 2020 to show the world he's not a system QB, but that is done and over with. It should be Pats and only Pats. At this point, everyone is 0-0 heading into the 2021 season. Can you imagine if we gave up before 2001 even started because the Pats went 5-11 the previous year?

 

[Brandon_Cox]

Evans = Moss
Godwin = Welker
Miller = Stallworth
AB = Gaffney

I would respectfully add: Tyler Johnson = Malcolm Mitchell (with 2 good knees)

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

So you would root for the Pats to do poorly over the next several years and root for Brady to pad his ring total? Sorry, I'm not going there...I can fully understand Pats fans cheering hard for Brady in 2020 to show the world he's not a system QB, but that is done and over with. It should be Pats and only Pats. At this point, everyone is 0-0 heading into the 2021 season. Can you imagine if we gave up before 2001 even started because the Pats went 5-11 the previous year?

I want the Patriots to get as many championships as possible. They're not doing that without some big-time draft picks, so I want them to get as much draft capital as possible. If they can go 11-5 while doing that, awesome! I'm not rooting for them to tank; I want them to win. But I want them at the same time to put an emphasis on developing a young, homegrown core of players to build around, and that means trading away assets for whatever they're worth. I'm shocked they didn't trade Gilmore, McCourty, etc this year for best offer. That's what teams do when they have a ton of roster holes. They do not have a solid young base now, and it's comical how much some people on this forum will reach to claim that a handful of guys like Wynn, Dugger, Jackson, Harris, Meyers, etc. are actually a great core rather than closer to the bare minium that any team has from drafting.

Look at Tampa Bay's core team that Brady walked into. I'm not saying it has to be that, but look at the huge amount of great young players they have. That's the result of some really favorable draft positions, some of which they traded down and some of which they drafted studs.