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$100 Patriots -2.5 +205. Free money.
 
I'm surprised to see the spread in the Patriots game at the Jets had gone up from 7 to 9½ or 10 points, depending on venue.



Also surprised to see the money line so heavily weighted to one side (Sea > Buf; Atl > Den; Ten > Chi; Hou > Jax) in certain games.

 
Round robin parlay

Bears, Broncos, Lions, Dolphins
 
Pitt Over 41.5
Texans - 6.5
Balt Over 48
Houston Over 50
KC Over 51.5
Tenn - 6
Chicago Over 46.5
Sea - 3
Arizona - 6

*edit*
Brady - 3
 
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Browns -4.5
Cards -3
TB - 6
Phila -4.5
Edit another bad beat on Cleveland.

Teaser Pitt - 0.5 / SF +15.5
1st half Pitt - 3.5
 
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2 HORRIBLE bad beats for some people today. I was on the right side of 1 and the wrong side of the other:

Cleveland, giving 4, leading by 3 in garbage time. Chubb breaks one down the left sideline and has nothing between him in the end zone, but steps out at the one (deliberately) so Cleveland can just kneel to victory. (That's the one I lost :( )

Arizona, giving 2 1/2, trail by 4. Kyler Murray completes a Hail Mail to DeAndre (thanks Houston!) to take a 2 point lead. They decide to take a knee on the extra point instead of risking a block-return by the Bills. (That's the one I won :) )
 
A bit more on the Nick Chubb play:


Chubb took a pitch on a third-and-3 with 1:07 to play and bolted up the left sideline heading toward the end zone. The Texans had no timeouts, so Chubb just ran out of bounds instead of scoring and giving Houston the ball back.
That allowed Cleveland to kneel out the clock on the next two plays.
Now maybe he should’ve just given himself up inbounds. And scoring a touchdown plus an extra point would’ve put the game essentially out of reach with a 10-point margin and less than a minute left.
But Chubb did what he was told.
For some gamblers, though, that wasn’t a good thing. The Browns were favored by 4.5. So those who had big money on the game were clearly pulling their hair out as a result because the three-point margin allowed the Texans to cover.



At the Texans' 1-yard line, with no defender close, Chubb took a sharp left turn and went out of bounds. The Browns kneeled down on the final two plays and sealed the victory for their sixth win of the season.
"I got a call from the coaches, from [quarterback] Baker [Mayfield] to not score, get a first down to end the game. So that's what I did," Chubb said after the game. "Luckily the run was a little longer because I didn't think about it until the last 10 yards."
The Browns were supported heavily by the betting public. The line opened at Cleveland -2.5, but was bet up to -3.5 by Friday and closed at -4.5 at most sportsbooks.
At William Hill sportsbooks around the nation, 89% of the money bet on the point spread was on Cleveland, according to data reported by the bookmaker an hour before kickoff.
Jeff Stoneback, sportsbook book director for BetMGM in Nevada, said the Texans covering the spread produced a mid-six-figure swing in favor of the house and a collective moan from the crowd of bettors at the Mirage in Las Vegas.
"We were yelling and then, unbelievable, he runs out of bounds," Stoneback told ESPN on Sunday afternoon. "He was full speed, going down the sideline, and it was almost like an afterthought, 'Oops, let me get out.' That was our biggest game of the morning."
DraftKings also reported taking significantly more money on the Browns than the Texans. The action on Cleveland resulted in what DraftKings sportsbook director Johnny Avello characterized as a "pretty sizable" swing in favor of the house.
ESPN's win probability metric showed Cleveland had a greater than 99.9% chance of winning whether Chubb scored to put the Browns up nine with an extra point pending or if he decided to step out of bounds and let Mayfield kneel to run off the final seconds.



Betting on the Cleveland Browns long has been a frustrating and often futile endeavor. Since 2010, they have the NFL’s worst record against the spread at 67-96-6.
But bettors who backed Cleveland on Sunday — including one at BetMGM sportsbook in Las Vegas who wagered $100,000 on the Browns -4 over the Texans — were dealt an especially painful fate.
His decision turned their ecstasy into agony and caused a mid six-figure swing in favor of BetMGM. The number was higher when taking all books into account, as sharp bettors and the betting public were on Cleveland.
“You heard rumbling out in the room and people booing,” Sunset Station sportsbook director Chuck Esposito said. “It was probably one of the top two or three biggest decisions of the day. We needed the Texans. It was a huge swing industrywide.”

It should be noted that not everything went the way of the house on Sunday:

On the flip side, the books lost when DeAndre Hopkins pulled down Kyler Murray’s 43-yard Hail Mary heave in the end zone with one second left to lift Arizona to a 32-30 comeback win over Buffalo. The Cardinals, who opened at -1½ and closed at -3, knelt on the 2-point try to avoid the risk of a blocked kick return.
BetMGM essentially got middled on the game, as early Arizona bettors and late Bills bettors cashed tickets.
“I guess it kind of all evened out because we lost on the Cardinals game,” MGM Resorts director of trading Jeff Stoneback said.
Bettors recouped some money in Week 10 after back-to-back banner weeks for the books. Bettors won in the afternoon games, as favorites went 5-1 ATS, with Arizona the only point-spread loser.
Books lost big on the Steelers (-7, 36-10 over the Bengals), Raiders (-3½, 37-12 over the Broncos), Saints (-9½, 27-13 over the 49ers) and Buccaneers (-6, 46-23 over the Panthers).
“It was a pretty chalky weekend,” Westgate sportsbook vice president Jay Kornegay said. “That usually is not good if you’re on this side of the counter.”

After NFL underdogs went 19-9 ATS with 12 outright wins in Weeks 8 and 9, only one underdog won during the day Sunday, as the Giants (+4½) defeated the Eagles 27-17.
 
I consider the Chubb situation to be one where it would have been OK to score - and I am not just saying that because I lost money. It would have taken a 1 score game and made it a 2 score game. If you can't protect a 10 point lead with 1 minute to go then you deserve to lose. The recent blunders we saw where a guy scored when he shouldn't have were different:

1) Penn State had a 1 point lead and "accidentally" scored a TD to make it an 8 point lead. So it stayed a 1-score game.
2) The Falcons needed a FG to win but "accidentally" scored a TD to take a 6 point lead. So again, it was a 1-score game.
 
Cardinals -2
Colts -3
Panthers +155
Bengals +210
Bucs +150
 
A couple week 17 odds caught my eye.

Browns favored by 10½ vs Steelers
Pittsburgh still has something to play for: they can be the #2 seed with a win, plus Miami beating Buffalo. Not sure the reason for such a large spread.

Chargers favored by 3½ at Chiefs
KC has first round bye, so I doubt they'll rest their starters. Plus Andy Reid got burnt doing that a few years ago when he was in Philly.

Pats favored by 3½ vs Jets
Jets have performed much better than the Patriots over the last few weeks. Plus there's no home field advantage when there are no fans in the stadium.
 
A couple week 17 odds caught my eye.

Browns favored by 10½ vs Steelers
Pittsburgh still has something to play for: they can be the #2 seed with a win, plus Miami beating Buffalo. Not sure the reason for such a large spread.
Roethlisberger is sitting, hence the spread. It still seems high unless Tomlin is also going to rest other key players.

Chargers favored by 3½ at Chiefs
KC has first round bye, so I doubt they'll rest their starters. Plus Andy Reid got burnt doing that a few years ago when he was in Philly.
Many are apparently thinking Reid will stick with his past history, and rest starters - regardless of what happened to him in the past.
 
To piggy back on a post I made in another thread....

One of my favorite betting strategies is to evaluate which coaches are likely being fired the following week. Those are teams that often mail it in and get whupped. I will bet against Jax and NYJ. Decided not to bet against LAC even though they fit the bill too but they are playing against KC's 2nd stringers so I can't get on board with putting some money on KC. I also love the GB line since they are playing for real. So that's:

NE -3
Ind -14
Tenn -7' (hate that hook but I'm sticking with my strategy)
Vegas -3
GB-4
 
To piggy back on a post I made in another thread....

One of my favorite betting strategies is to evaluate which coaches are likely being fired the following week. Those are teams that often mail it in and get whupped. I will bet against Jax and NYJ. Decided not to bet against LAC even though they fit the bill too but they are playing against KC's 2nd stringers so I can't get on board with putting some money on KC. I also love the GB line since they are playing for real. So that's:

NE -3
Ind -14
Tenn -7' (hate that hook but I'm sticking with my strategy)
Vegas -3
GB-4
I sort of follow this logic in betting on a team the next game AFTER the coach is fired. Players seem to get fired up for those games, maybe to create the impression it was the coach, and not them, who sucked.
 
we're gonna get murdered tomorrow...no secondary...no pass rush...an offense that produces FG's and nothing else. Dam Darnit will throw for a TD early and that will be it.
 
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I'm glad to see this thread. I've already put down a sizable bet on the Pats over 9 wins (-125). I haven't found a bet on Mac's total starts but I'm taking the over. I'm also going to put down a small bet on him to win rookie of the year. After listening to Curran and Bedard, among others, I believe he'll start from day one. He's in a much better situation that the other rooke quarterbacks to win rookie of the year.

Even if Cam starts the season, looking at that schedule I can't see any way the Pats lose 9 games this year so a push at the least
 
I'm glad to see this thread. I've already put down a sizable bet on the Pats over 9 wins (-125). I haven't found a bet on Mac's total starts but I'm taking the over. I'm also going to put down a small bet on him to win rookie of the year. After listening to Curran and Bedard, among others, I believe he'll start from day one. He's in a much better situation that the other rooke quarterbacks to win rookie of the year.

Even if Cam starts the season, looking at that schedule I can't see any way the Pats lose 9 games this year so a push at the least
That's a good number, a lot of books had them at 9.5

Side note, I got -150 Russel Wilson (to be starter week 1 for SEA) a couple months ago when the trade rumors were going,
 


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