OT: Gilmore still complaining about how the Pats treated his recovery

[Steve102]

I personally never cared for his antics, and didn’t find the “lovable meathead” thing funny, or endearing. Not a “prototypal patriot”. Find his smile goofy, and his spike celebration lame. Goat at the position tho. Diva as hell.

Loved him while he was here, but your point of not being a prototypical patriot is spot on. 100% sick of his chit at the end, IMO he turned into Yoko Ono.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Loved him while he was here, but your point of not being a prototypical patriot is spot on. 100% sick of his chit at the end, IMO he turned into Yoko Ono.

Specifically, what did he do that you were 100% sick of? Waiting six whole weeks after Super Bowl 53 before deciding to retire?

 

[Steve102]

Specifically, what did he do that you were 100% sick of? Waiting six whole weeks after Super Bowl 53 before deciding to retire?

Yeah, that. The motocross thing was horrible. The threatening to un-retire all the GD time, then only doing it when Tom left. I guess I got more sick of his crap after he left here. Absolute dude on the field, and could have helped in 2019. I get that Bill could grate on a player, really I do. But it's clear that he didn't mind playing football anymore, he just didn't want to play here, for Bill. In my mind, he was in Tom's ear the whole time.

You don't have to put up with his chit, bro. You're the best to ever play. Eff that guy. Johnny Foxboro my azz.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Yeah, that. The motocross thing was horrible. The threatening to un-retire all the GD time, then only doing it when Tom left. I guess I got more sick of his crap after he left here. Absolute dude on the field, and could have helped in 2019. I get that Bill could grate on a player, really I do. But it's clear that he didn't mind playing football anymore, he just didn't want to play here, for Bill. In my mind, he was in Tom's ear the whole time.

You don't have to put up with his chit, bro. You're the best to ever play. Eff that guy. Johnny Foxboro my azz.

A lot of fan fiction here, Steve.

Gronk didn't threaten to unretire all the time. That's simply not true. As a celebrity and public figure who has never minded the spotlight, he said a few times he'd think about coming back to play. That's quite different from having your finger on the un-retire button to screw the Patriots cap situation.

Have you considered that he may not have retired before 2019 had he not been pressed like hell for an answer in March? It was a month after the Super Bowl; we know about Gronk's injuries; we know about Gronk's annual contract renegotiations in New England. We know he had lingering issues, concerns, questions, both with the team, with his doctors, etc. He even told the press exactly this after the season. And I think it's straight up naive to think his retirement wasn't also due to the Patriots refusing to concede on money or other perks. Clearly what happened in March 2019 was a very accelerated timeframe to make a decision. Would it be better if he had retired in July, after a nasty contract dispute or after another injury? I've rarely seen players pressed like that to make a decision by the team/fans, and I think he finalized it well before he felt comfortable making a decision, due to pressure.

I agree he didn't want to play for Bill. Neither did Tom. Neither have a lot of players over the years. That's not all on the players. In fact, how many superstar players leave New England on good terms with the team? How many remain fan favorites if they don't retire with the team? Brady, Gronkowski, Mankins, Seymour, Law, Gilmore, Vinatieri. Every one of them are "traitors" who "took the money" and weren't winners because they couldn't handle Bill's grind. That's the narrative anyway. There's a thread on almost every departure with plenty of people trashing the formers players, basically taking it personally.

Bill's a tough SOB, and he's notoriously a hard ass when it comes to money, commitment, special exceptions, etc. That's part of what makes the Patriots a winning machine. But it doesn't mean the players all suddenly just go bad, sell out, betray the fans, etc. It's the other side of the coin of that ruthless approach by the Patriots.

 

[venecol]

Yeah, that. The motocross thing was horrible. The threatening to un-retire all the GD time, then only doing it when Tom left. I guess I got more sick of his crap after he left here. Absolute dude on the field, and could have helped in 2019. I get that Bill could grate on a player, really I do. But it's clear that he didn't mind playing football anymore, he just didn't want to play here, for Bill. In my mind, he was in Tom's ear the whole time.

You don't have to put up with his chit, bro. You're the best to ever play. Eff that guy. Johnny Foxboro my azz.

You need to get a gig at the Onion. You're great at satire.

 

[Steve102]

A lot of fan fiction here, Steve.

Gronk didn't threaten to unretire all the time. That's simply not true. As a celebrity and public figure who has never minded the spotlight, he said a few times he'd think about coming back to play.

Splitting hairs.

 

[‘Mondre]

Good point, you're the one making the claim why should you be the one to back it up. What is this 1984?!

Diva behavior is demanding the ball, or not caring about practice, or not wanting to hit someone because you might get hurt. Divas care more about their brand and their stats than the team.

Gronk aside, you might want to work on learning to not hate everyone who moves on from this team.

Be quiet.

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Just cause you project your good ole boy hopes into someone you’ll never be, doesn’t mean he ain’t without flaws. I can smell your demographic over the internet.

 

[Tottie]

Gronk a diva ? What a bunch of old grumpy clowns.

 

[‘Mondre]

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Loved him while he was here, but your point of not being a prototypical patriot is spot on. 100% sick of his chit at the end, IMO he turned into Yoko Ono.

proto pat players:

bruschi
Brown
Slater.

guys who aren’t that at all but I still respect/would sign if it were up to me:

ab
Gronk
Revis
2019 Brady purposefully grounding balls and yelling at people

Gilmore, adjusting for what this thread is about, falls somewhere on this spectrum.

 

[‘Mondre]

Gronk a diva ? What a bunch of old grumpy clowns.

Smells like bacon up in here

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Be quiet.

The NFL's Biggest Divas

According to Merriam-Webster, one of the definitions of a diva is "a vain or undisciplined person who finds it difficult to work under direction or as part of a team." Right now some NFL head coaches are nodding furiously...

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Just cause you project your good ole boy hopes into someone you’ll never be, doesn’t mean he ain’t without flaws. I can smell your demographic over the internet.

Ahahahaha!!! A fan article from 2013 ranking Gronk as the #10 diva because he likes to party with porn stars. Again, you have nothing. How do you enjoy rooting for the team knowing in five years you’ll hate 75% of the players, who will be on other teams, as you try desperately to retcon their Patriots career.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Splitting hairs.

The idea that Gronk would unretire in 2019 was welcomed with open arms by a fanbase watching Izzo and LaCosse bumble around the field. You’re making this up. At no point did you, or anyone else, ever think Gronk was “threatening” the Patriots with unretirement. If anything, you could say he was a tease. Post-2020, you try to change the narrative to mean that Gronk alluding to coming back was a threat (!) to the Patriots.

But this is consistent with your completely fabricated idea that he was in Tom’s ear urging him to turn on the team, egging him on to leave.

You’re certainly welcome to have your opinion, but clearly this isn’t rooted in reality. I’m surprised because usually you’re a voice of reason. If you don’t like Gronk, so be it. Whatever your reasons. But the stuff you cite is made up ******** that’s you’ve projected from your own mind.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I think it had to do with (a) his contract, wanting to get a new deal instead of those one year incentive-laden deals, and (b) long-term tensions with the Patriots medical staff over rehabbing and returning too soon.

This counts for zero on a message board, but I have a family member who knows Gronkowski's father (he's in the gym/fitness equipment business.) These are the two things he griped about; I can't be sure Rob shared the same viewpoint, but clearly he had issues. And to your point, I think the burning out part may have to do with the fitness regiment/conditioning program and back to suspected injury causes. I'm sure Alex Guerrero and Brady's take on the workouts/long-term health stuff just added fuel to the fire.

I understand the team's perspective and the player's perspective. And I wish Brady/Gronk had a more trusted authority than Guerrero because I think there is a lot of validity to what they wanted to do in terms of load management.

But yes, anyone who says Gronk was a diva is totally warped. Gronk is one of the most unselfish superstars you'll find in sports. Just a genuinely nice person who never let fame and money get to his head. Never hesitated to be a decoy, or a blocker, or whatever gave the team the best chance to win.

Gronk was always underpaid

 

[venecol]

The idea that Gronk would unretire in 2019 was welcomed with open arms by a fanbase watching Izzo and LaCosse bumble around the field. You’re making this up. At no point did you, or anyone else, ever think Gronk was “threatening” the Patriots with unretirement. If anything, you could say he was a tease. Post-2020, you try to change the narrative to mean that Gronk alluding to coming back was a threat (!) to the Patriots.

But this is consistent with your completely fabricated idea that he was in Tom’s ear urging him to turn on the team, egging him on to leave.

You’re certainly welcome to have your opinion, but clearly this isn’t rooted in reality. I’m surprised because usually you’re a voice of reason. If you don’t like Gronk, so be it. Whatever your reasons. But the stuff you cite is made up ******** that’s you’ve projected from your own mind.

Is it me or wasn't the yoko ono reference a give away.

 

[TommyD4207]

Gronk was always underpaid

False. His first contract after his rookie deal was a record for a TE.

 

[Ivan]

Chose money over playing for a winning team. Couldn't care less about him at this point.

He’s making the same money in Carolina that he did here.

 

[Ivan]

Yeah, Brandon Spikes compared his first four years with the Patriots to slavery and the Pats still brought him back (until he left the scene of an accident involving injury to avoid a likely DUI).

Ty Law’s children died of starvation and he blamed Belichick for their deaths, and Belichick still brought him back.

 

[Triumph]

Gilmore is in a business where you can get cut at any time including if youre injured an cannot play.

If youre injured, recover and cannot perform as good as before youre gone too. That is the NFL

 

[Ivan]

False. His first contract after his rookie deal was a record for a TE.

The issue with Gronk, Kielce, and other TE’s was that they were pigeonholed as TE’s when in truth they were the #1 receivers on their teams, yet they were making millions less per year than the top receivers. The same goes for interior OL and Ot’s as well as safeties when compared to CB’s, DT’s when compared to defensive ends and OLB’s. and MLB’s can also have a similar complaint. The irony of all of this that the billionaires who own the teams preach the “ free market” but operate on the opposite premises when it comes to the NFL. I don’t blame the players one bit when it comes to their grievances against the owners, who are liars and complete hypocrites.

 

[bresna]

Gronk was always underpaid

In 2012, only two years into his rookie contract, the Patriots made Gronk the highest paid TE in the NFL: Rob Gronkowski Given 6-Year, $54 Million Extension; Now Highest Paid TE in NFL History