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OT: Brandon Marshall to Miami for 2010 2nd and 2011 2nd

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Uh, neither do I. I rarely watch football games when they don't involve the Patriots.

That doesn't prevent me from having a grasp on other team's players, especially when they've been in the league for nine seasons.

So why would I know about a player on a team I don't like, don't watch, and has done nothing significant statistically wise in his entire career?
 
Holmes: 1 toke away from being suspended for the entire year. Definitely a punk.
Marshall: checkered past with the law, horrible team guy, making way more money than the Pats think he's worth.

then, as another Poster stated, there's
Boldin: (???) Red flag because always said he wanted a long term deal for what he felt he was worth?? Would love to know exactly what went down to make us decide to pass on him.

The problem with Boldin is his durability and the way he plays the game. Now you can argue that what Baltimore gave up wasn't too much for him in terms of pick and salary, but it is a risk. Maybe it was too much for the Pats. Rumor was they were in the running, but fell out when they refused to give Boldin a contract extension.
 
First of all I'd like to state that I think the signings of Marshal/Holmes could have significant impact on their teams, the same is said about just about any attitude-questionable FA movement (peppas etc). I look forward to seeing how it turns out, it could be a huge bonus or bust (every deal has this application).

However, this thread is absolutely hilarious. The ones that claim to be objective but run around with their heads cut off and make a big deal of everything rather than waiting to see how it turns out. I'm by no means a homer, but I'm not about ready to cash out the season.. in April. So I decided to try and make what I will use in all future off season posts as a template for discussion from the perspective of some of the stupid posters here.


For the rest of the offseason;


"this is ridiculus! has <Bill Belichick/Tom Brady/The Krafts> lost their damn mind!?!?!1/!? we had no pass rush or 4th qtr offence n ther responze is 2 <not sign X player/go to brazil/do nothing but raise ticket prices>!!! this franchize haznt dun nethin in da last 3 yars! its cleer that <Bill Belichick/Tom Brady/The Krafts> dont caer about futball and all dey want 2 do is <Clean his rings/not be in foxborough/host stupid functions> !!1!1one!! im not gonna watch this sesn cuz its gonna be so bad! we be luky to get 2 6-10 rekord we needed to <sign player in thread title before other team does/Trade brady cause he doesnt care anymore/get a new owner who will do what it takes to win>11!!! "


I underliendthe selections for this particular thread.
 
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The Jests and Fish keep improving while the Pats braintrust is waiting, diddling and playing their fiddles. They know best, hopefully. It just seems they are betting all in on the draft.
 
I hope BB has a good plan comes draft day,you can call this a 3 way race for the division. Adding a top WR to a great runningame will make teams respect the run more. PA pass will be dangerous, the defense improved with dansby and porter headcase gone.

The Pats, Jets, and dolphins should all win 10 games.
 
I think the bigger problem is that people compare every problem player with Moss and Dillon as if the situations are the same.

First, the Pats acquired Dillon under the Tagliabue regime. Back then, you could literally kill someone and get a slap on the wrist. Tagliabue gave Little a free pass killing someone for drunk driving which cost Donte Stallworth a season under Goodell.

Second, the Pats did extensive research on both Dillon and Moss (and most likely Holmes and Marshall) and determined that many of their attitude issues were overstated by the media. Also, neither had recent legal issues at the time the Pats acquired them.

Third, the Pats did find in their research that both Moss and Dillon were well liked in the lockerroom and were even leaders in their own right. Reports have both Holmes and Marshall unpopular with their teammates.

Now I don't know why specifically the Pats did not get Holmes or Marshall, but there were 30 other teams that were in the same boat as the Pats and some with a greater need for WR than them and potentially higher picks in the rounds to give up. But comparing them to Dillon and Moss and what the make up of the Pats lockerroom may be irrelevant.

I wouldn't mind having the talent of either Marshall or Holmes on this team, but they both have baggage. I think Marshall has too much baggage to make the risk the Dolphins did, but the Jets didn't risk much for Holmes' baggage.

I think that the reaction on this board has been exactly consistent with the reactions to everythig else that goes on.
There are groups of people who fit their mold:
1) Some (many) fans see tremendous value in individual players, almost as if they are replacing zero with All World. Those fans always see no downside in the negatives, feel we must have every superstud player out there and see us not getting any of them as a disaster and our competitors getting them as a death knell to us. The one player (or a handful) makes the team thinking. This approach is shared by most of the media, the ones that name 2 or 3 players and decide that makes a TEAM better.
2) Some (like me) think that the addition of one player (with a very few limited exceptions, maybe 5 in the league) is a moderate additive move. That we can live without any player, that accumulating talent isnt the goal, and that no one has ever accurately been able to look at individual talent and predict team results effectively and consistently, because its about 53 players not 5 or 3.
3) Some feel an entitlement, so they get upset whenever they can find reason to.
4) Some feel they are smarter than BB and crew so they use the opportunity to criticize and pile on (interestingly piling their own misconception on top of their previous misconceptions)
5) Some want the silver lining and focus only on the bad.
6) Some feel there is more that we dont know about these decisions than that we do, so they reserve opinion.
and so on. What we have here is everyone being themselves.
 
So why would I know about a player on a team I don't like, don't watch, and has done nothing significant statistically wise in his entire career?

I'll repeat: What has Vince Wilfork done statistically that would lead you to believe he's a cornerstone defensive player?

If you follow the NFL, these are the types of things you invariably learn. It's not like I'm making Lewis out to be a huge addition, I was merely correcting Teenuh's post. Because, like him or not, he is an addition of significance.
 
per Adam Schefter Espn:Marshall to sign a 4yr,47.5m extension with Miami next tuesday.

So.......2.5m tender + 47.5m=5yrs,50m total

No way would we pay this.....Pats made the right move...........it's all about locker room character....
IMAO.
 
True. But adding Holmes or Marshall to a team that is allegedly already suffering from chemistry and locker room issues is probably not the wisest course of action.

I keep reading comments about the Pats' locker room issues, and I wonder if they're getting overblown (not necessarily with the comment above, but in media reports in general). My sense has always been that it wasn't up to Belichick-era standards, but maybe wasn't truly bad by most teams' standards?
 
I think that the reaction on this board has been exactly consistent with the reactions to everythig else that goes on.
There are groups of people who fit their mold:
1) Some (many) fans see tremendous value in individual players, almost as if they are replacing zero with All World. Those fans always see no downside in the negatives, feel we must have every superstud player out there and see us not getting any of them as a disaster and our competitors getting them as a death knell to us. The one player (or a handful) makes the team thinking. This approach is shared by most of the media, the ones that name 2 or 3 players and decide that makes a TEAM better.
2) Some (like me) think that the addition of one player (with a very few limited exceptions, maybe 5 in the league) is a moderate additive move. That we can live without any player, that accumulating talent isnt the goal, and that no one has ever accurately been able to look at individual talent and predict team results effectively and consistently, because its about 53 players not 5 or 3.
3) Some feel an entitlement, so they get upset whenever they can find reason to.
4) Some feel they are smarter than BB and crew so they use the opportunity to criticize and pile on (interestingly piling their own misconception on top of their previous misconceptions)
5) Some want the silver lining and focus only on the bad.
6) Some feel there is more that we dont know about these decisions than that we do, so they reserve opinion.
and so on. What we have here is everyone being themselves.

I like group six, you guys rock.
 
The problem with Boldin is his durability and the way he plays the game. Now you can argue that what Baltimore gave up wasn't too much for him in terms of pick and salary, but it is a risk. Maybe it was too much for the Pats. Rumor was they were in the running, but fell out when they refused to give Boldin a contract extension.

Again with your whole riskiness theories...How is giving up a 3rd and a 4th round pick for one of the best WRs in the NFL a risk? The guy consistently puts up great numbers, over 1,000 receiving in 5 of his 7 years in the league and the 2 years that he didnt he was injured for most of those years.

What in your opinion isn't a risk when trading for a player?

And the reason the Patriots didnt get Boldin was they didnt want to pay the money that Boldin wanted and thats standard to how the Patriot FO operates.
 
The Jests and Fish keep improving while the Pats braintrust is waiting, diddling and playing their fiddles. They know best, hopefully. It just seems they are betting all in on the draft.

On the plus side, maybe the vastly improved Jets and Dolphins can now go 1-1 against each other. Help the Pats out a little.
 
I'll repeat: What has Vince Wilfork done statistically that would lead you to believe he's a cornerstone defensive player?

My point is that if you look at Wilfork under a microscope you will find that he is a huge addition. Maybe not statistically but what he can do is impressive

Lews isn't like that. If I google around or watch old gameplay I'm not going to be wowed
 
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It does suck that Marshall is in Miami. But this notion that the Pats are betting on rookies now is rather myopic. More veteran talent will be tossed out there during and after the draft.
 
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I'm starting to believe BB likes Dex Bryant, if we somehow get him,I understand the non signing of WRs or trading for Boldin.

Maybe he'll slide to #22 with MIA getting Marshall Denver will go for Mcclain.
 
Thank you for this extraordinarily crappy post, even by your standards.

I suggest you go visit some Panthers messageboards to get an actual informed opinion on the guy. I would have hate to have seen your reaction when you realized they were relying on Anthony Pleasant and Bobby Hamilton as starters on the DL.

You keep your little hopes up that this stud Lewis is a big pickup and I will stay awake while you dream away in fantasyland...let me know how the dream ends

I can't believe how lucky we were to pick up Lewis when those 31 other teams were knocking down doors to get this guy

Who gives a sh!t what other teams messageboards say...stats don't lie

BTW: Pleasant and Hamilton were guys I actually thought were good pickups back then...as well as Phifer,they fit in then when we had a nucleus of decent character guys to blend them in with for a winning attitude,even if the season before was not so great.
 
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I'm starting to believe BB likes Dex Bryant, if we somehow get him,I understand the non signing of WRs or trading for Boldin.

Maybe he'll slide to #22 with MIA getting Marshall Denver will go for Mcclain.

NFL Network is predicting him #11 to the Broncos

The Pats shot themselves in the foot twice by not going after Marshall. Not only did they not get Marshall, but not a lot of peoples binky is probably going to be off the board long before we see him
 
I'm starting to believe BB likes Dex Bryant, if we somehow get him,I understand the non signing of WRs or trading for Boldin.

Maybe he'll slide to #22 with MIA getting Marshall Denver will go for Mcclain.

I'd think this increases the odds of Denver taking Bryant.
 
As a fellow hater of all things Fins I think while the Jets took little risk with some high reward the Fins took high risk with high reward. I think what makes it even more risky is they play in a town where their players average about a DUI per season.

Not to mention the fact that gets lost in all of this is that Marshall still isn't a deep threat and hasn't shown to be one over the course of his career. He is probaly the best possesion guy in the game outside of Welker and can create some nice YAC but they still need that deep threat and Ginn sure as heck isn't the answer.

Will be fun to see how this plays out.
 
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You keep your little hopes up that this stud Lewis is a big pickup and I will stay awake while you dream away in fantasyland...let me know how the dream ends

Let me know when you're ready to stop mischaracterizing my position, so I can remove you from my ignore list.

I can't believe how lucky we were to pick up Lewis when those 31 other teams were knocking down doors to get this guy

You can say the same thing about almost any non-marquee FA addition.

Who gives a sh!t what other teams messageboards say...stats don't lie

Actually, they do. Vince Wilfork. Thank God the people who run the Patriots are smart enough to evaluate players on factors beyond their stat lines.

And FWIW, I think Lewis' stats are pretty decent for a rotational DT.

BTW: Pleasant and Hamilton were guys I actually thought were good pickups back then...as well as Phifer,they fit in then when we had a nucleus of decent character guys to blend them in with for a winning attitude,even if the season before was not so great.

So basically the only difference between now and then is that your agenda has changed.
 
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