OT: Brady caught in closed Tampa park

[102 Pat]

Can you imagine the faux "outrage" if this happened while Brady was a Patriot?

(I haven't read this thread so apologies if someone had a similar post)

 

[Tony2046]

Thanks. Very interesting. I would have guessed differently.

 

[XLIX]

But the testing in New York is of people who show up to hospitals and demonstrate symptoms. They're not just testing randomly. (Nor is everyone symptomatic tested.) The Santa Clara sample didn't contain people were overtly symptomatic.

That does nothing to change the mathematics involved.

 

[Joker]

Watch the personal attacks, and if you're gonna call yourself Joker, get a better sense of humor, because, damn.

My sense of humor has nothing to do with your daily, weekly, monthly passive aggressive jihad to wage political battles over a pandemic.Get a goddyamed sense of PERSPECTIVE because, double damn.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

My sense of humor has nothing to do with your daily, weekly, monthly passive aggressive jihad to wage political battles over a pandemic.Get a goddyamed sense of PERSPECTIVE because, double damn.

Yeahhhhh your mileage may vary. You done denying that COVID-19 kills people yet? Never mind, off to iggy with ya. Good luck w/the name thing, or the even vague purchase on the world around you thing.

 

[Joker]

what the holy hell are you babbling about?

 

[Star56]

That does nothing to change the mathematics involved.

The USC data from yesterday exposes the whole fraud. Death rates are tiny in reality. USC will be releasing more and more data. Same with Stanford. Covid 19 hysteria will be viewed like the Salem Witch hysteria 20 years from now.

 

[Ian]

Um...I thought this thread was about Brady getting asked to leave a park? Now we’re talking about Coronavirus supposedly being a “witch hunt”...?

(Sigh) ... These are bizarre times.

 

[XLIX]

The USC data from yesterday exposes the whole fraud. Death rates are tiny in reality. USC will be releasing more and more data. Same with Stanford. Covid 19 hysteria will be viewed like the Salem Witch hysteria 20 years from now.

Well, it’s still a virus which spreads quite quickly, and I’m glad we took steps to flatten the curve. But yeah, the death rates aren’t quite as bad as some had predicted.

 

[Galeb]

Thanks. Very interesting. I would have guessed differently.

Not sure why you'd guess differently, as it's pretty obvious. The more people that catch it, the more people that die.

Don't confuse death toll, the number of dead, with the death rate, the percentage that die. Until we get to the end of this, we really can't calculate the actual death toll. The thing is, until there is a vaccine or herd immunity, both of which are far from definite, the only thing that will wipe out the virus is a total lockdown, which would kill far more people than the virus would.

The way we are implementing lockdown really is about 2 things; throttling the effect of the healthcare system, and limiting the number infected until we're better able to fight the virus. When the lockdown is lifted, it will start spreading very quickly again, which would be likely be followed by another lockdown... until herd immunity or a vaccine.

The only semi-random study I've heard of conducted on people who don't show symptoms was in CA. It was a study that asked for symptom free volunteers, so not truly random, but probably the best wer're goin to get under the circumstances. That study implies that the virus is far more contagious, but far has a much lower death rate than originally thought. Also note that this study was done in a warm, dry climate, so in the Northeast, the infection rate is probably much higher.

If these numbers are correct, and no vaccine is ever found, these semi-lockdowns may not save lives in the long run. The better strategy likely would have been to isolate the at-risk population and hope that herd immunity, which is probably more likely than a vaccine, to end the virus. Unfortunately, it's probably too late for that strategy as covid-19 is ravaging the at-risk population.

Don't farm out your sense making on any subject to a single source, no matter how smart you think that person is. There are many great doctors out there who hold opinions on covid-19 that contradict opinions held by other great doctors. Much of the information out there about the virus is false, whether intentional misinformation, or just blind parroting. To thoughtfully express an opinion on this matter you really need to look at a variety of sources and then investigate them all deeply.

Coronavirus Infections May Not Be Uncommon, Tests Suggest

 

[Tony2046]

Not sure why you'd guess differently, as it's pretty obvious. The more people that catch it, the more people that die.

So you thought population density wasn't much of a factor in regards to the spreading rate of the virus? I did and still do.

And what have I posted that was any different from what you've just posted? Am I misunderstanding you? Apologize if I am.

- slow the rate of spreading. Check.
- minimize your point of contacts by staying home as much as possible. Check.
- wear masks, carry hand sanitizer and stay at least six feet away from people as much as possible. Check.
- educate myself on the current situation. Check.

Etc etc.

 

[Galeb]

So you thought population density wasn't much of a factor in regards to the spreading rate of the virus? I did and still do.

And what have I posted that was any different from what you've just posted? Am I misunderstanding you? Apologize if I am.

- slow the rate of spreading. Check.
- minimize your point of contacts by staying home as much as possible. Check.
- wear masks, carry hand sanitizer and stay at least six feet away from people as much as possible. Check.
- educate myself on the current situation. Check.

Etc etc.

I musta misunderstood. I thought you were speaking against the timing of the lockdowns and their effectiveness on death toll. I only looked at your one post and the one you were responding to. I was more responding to what you quoted

When looking at death tolls and population density there are a lot of other factors to consider. In the US, rural areas tend to have a high rate of poverty, multiple generations living in the same home and poor health care. All of which contribute to a higher transmission rate and death rate. That said, assuming you're not poor and don't live with a bunch of people in the same house, high population density obviously leads to a much higher transmission rate, regardless of the flawed studies that say otherwise.

 

[sieglo]

It lasts until we get a gamechanger, either in the form of a vaccine or proven treatment or something else.

no. It lasts until people come to their senses and realize there are more deaths in people over 100 than under 30. More deaths in people over 90 than under 50. Quarantine the at-risk population and get everyone else back to their lives. Otherwise we never reach herd immunity.

 

[1960Pats]

Um...I thought this thread was about Brady getting asked to leave a park? Now we’re talking about Coronavirus supposedly being a “witch hunt”...?

(Sigh) ... These are bizarre times.

Sadly, there are too many posters who want to turn every thread political, this one included. I was sucked in at first but I don't bother with them anymore.

One thing that has stood out to me is how some of the political leaning posters spend very little time talking football, if they do at all.

Anyway, thanks for the effort.

 

[Galeb]

no. It lasts until people come to their senses and realize there are more deaths in people over 100 than under 30. More deaths in people over 90 than under 50. Quarantine the at-risk population and get everyone else back to their lives. Otherwise we never reach herd immunity.

Herd immunity isn't certain. Although the minority, there are a number of viruses that never result in herd immunity.

 

[Tony2046]

I musta misunderstood. I thought you were speaking against the timing of the lockdowns and their effectiveness on death toll. I only looked at your one post and the one you were responding to. I was more responding to what you quoted

When looking at death tolls and population density there are a lot of other factors to consider. In the US, rural areas tend to have a high rate of poverty, multiple generations living in the same home and poor health care. All of which contribute to a higher transmission rate and death rate. That said, assuming you're not poor and don't live with a bunch of people in the same house, population density obviously leads to a much higher transmission rate, regardless of the flawed studies that say otherwise.

Phew. Thanks.

I just took a deeper look into that tweet regarding population density and it looks like he counted each major city as a similar density globally which others point out is flawed. Thank God because I was wondering how could density not be a factor.

The late timing of the lock downs and the lack of testing are my two biggest complaints. Without getting too political I see this as a huge national defense failure that is going to cost us exponentially more to get through because of our slow initial response.

 

[Galeb]

Phew. Thanks.

I just took a deeper look into that tweet regarding population density and it looks like he counted each major city as a similar density globally which others point out is flawed. Thank God because I was wondering how could density not be a factor.

The late timing of the lock downs and the lack of testing are my two biggest complaints. Without getting too political I see this as a huge national defense failure that is going to cost us exponentially more to get through because of our slow initial response.

There are many pre-existing cultural and systemic factors that are far more damaging than the late response in this crisis. The longer a culture is hyper-focused on profit and efficiency , the more fragile and unadaptable both the system and the population become. There are many catastrophes that would lead to the fall of civilization, and most of them, if not self-created, are self-terminating because of the way we live.

I won't get into the other factors now as there are many, and people still deep in their conditioning (not you) would find it too inflammatory to be productive in this forum. I can expand further via PM if you'd like after work. That said, I encourage you, and any others who are seeking truth to check out the video I linked in my first post. I know it's long, but it's well worth it.

 

[jah]

There are many pre-existing cultural and systemic factors that are far more damaging than the late response in this crisis. The longer a culture is hyper-focused on profit and efficiency , the more fragile and unadaptable both the system and the population become. There are many catastrophes that would lead to the fall of civilization, and most of them, if not self-created, are self-terminating because of the way we live.

I won't get into the other factors now as there are many, and people still deep in their conditioning (not you) would find it too inflammatory to be productive in this forum. I can expand further via PM if you'd like after work. That said, I encourage you, and any others who are seeking truth to check out the video I linked in my first post. I know it's long, but it's well worth it.

Someone's going to call you a commie for that.

 

[borg]

Sadly, there are too many posters who want to turn every thread political, this one included. I was sucked in at first but I don't bother with them anymore.

One thing that has stood out to me is how some of the political leaning posters spend very little time talking football, if they do at all.

Anyway, thanks for the effort.

How much time did you talk football in your quoted post above”
“Do as I say not as I do”

 

[Galeb]

Someone's going to call you a commie for that.

That's OK, I've been called worse. I'm not a proponent of communism either. The fact that we still use a system of government designed when horseback and ship were the fastest means of communication is absolutely absurd. It's kind of like trying to design a house with nothing more than 1st grade math. It was a good tool at a certain stage of development, but that was long ago.

When an entire population is completely dependent on a fragile system, it is a disaster waiting to happen.